[steering-discuss] Update on the Foundation
Dear friends, The Steering Committee would like to provide you an update regarding the status of the establishment of our Foundation. We have spent quite some time evaluating the legal, fiscal, financial and practical options that were available to us. Assessing these took us considerable efforts and the involvement of lawyers we would like to thank. We finally came to the following decision. We will incorporate a Foundation in Germany (called Stiftung in German) in early 2011. A german foundation will provide us with many advantages of various kinds, among them, 100% tax-deductible donations. In order to incorporate there we will however need some initial capital and resources (around fifty thousand (50,000) Euros). If we do not manage to collect this sum in a reasonable amount of time, we will switch to our second best option and incorporate a charity in the United Kingdom, which is much cheaper. We will of course keep you updated. Meanwhile, the donations to the German OOoDEV association are still accepted and much welcome ! The last days of 2010 will be busy with Season's Holidays as well as the release of LibreOffice 3.3 and the LibreOffice website. Until 2011, we wish you all the best for the New Year. On behalf of The Document Foundation Steering Committee, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Steering Committee Member, The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Klaus, Bernhard, Florian, all, :-) On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: So Florian can't bring up the website *now* - that's a great pity (especially with regards to the immense work David put into the site during the last week), but we can't do anything against it. Florian's day is not longer than 24h - and his life doesn't consist of LibreOffice alone. Yes, I understand this. I hope very much he *will* manage it but, if really he can't, I will dissipate my great disappointment and think laterally. PS: I understand Klaus-Jürgen's comment as possibility to use the time until the launch - not as an attempt to delay it. Yes, well if ever Florian can't launch the site then we should think positively and use the intervening time usefully. Xmas list. PPS: I still believe, that the visible part of the main page should not contain more than a few lines of text, a download button (can lead to the download page) and links to the most interesting areas. Twitter and blog in the scrolling area are ok, but I think a news area is more important than those tow. I will put at least a download button above the home page text, but did not get around to it yet. You will notice that I *have* been listening to people's comments, and complying with most of them. The problem is that the current theme is very narrow, and limits what you can place on the page quite a lot. That applies to the top menu bar, the side menu and the actual content area. IMHO, I would scrap the current theme and make a new one. I've never done a SilverStripe theme before, but once you've hacked themes for a couple of CMS's, you can hack them for another. I bet it would only take me a few days. If one of you SilverSite CSS/theming gurus helped out, I bet we could do it even quicker... I would propose a theme based on the theme at libreofficeaustralia.org. Take a look at screenshots [1] and [2]. The design perfectly fits the current marketing color scheme and graphic charter. It's simple but very Web 2.0. It's based on the Fusion theme for Drupal. It gives a lot more space and scope for nicely laying out the content, with lots of nice big screenshots, etc. Florian, Christian, if you gave me access to SSH/FTP into http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ then I could set a new theme up there and work on it. Then Christian could install it on the test.libreoffice.org/libreoffice.org site when it was ready. What do you think, guys? a) We'd get a lot more flexibility with the content. b) If ever there is a changeover to a Drupal site, there will be no visual break... the roll-over could be almost invisible. PPPS: The graphic on the main page links to http:///download/ (not a relative link...) I know. I had to hack the HTML/CSS to make the shuffler look OK. I'm waiting for Christian to deal with the fix I already requested. So it's a temporary thing. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/6/65/Liboaustralia-screenshot1.png [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/Liboaustralia-screenshot2.png David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Bernhard, :-) On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: PPS: I still believe, that the visible part of the main page should not contain more than a few lines of text, a download button (can lead to the download page) and links to the most interesting areas. Please give me a suggestion for the few lines of text then. Twitter and blog in the scrolling area are ok, but I think a news area is more important than those tow. Christian, is there a dedicated news/blogging module for SilverStripe? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David, *, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:05 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Twitter and blog in the scrolling area are ok, but I think a news area is more important than those tow. Christian, is there a dedicated news/blogging module for SilverStripe? Well - there is a blog module, yes (meant for providing blogs yourself), and regarding news: You can of course add a news section as well. Similar to how the FAQ-items are automatically collected, one can collect news items. And you can create a area on the page that shows the X latest news entries. The basics on how to do it are laid out in the basic tutorials of silverstripe http://doc.silverstripe.org/tutorial:2-extending-a-basic-site If it is just about providing an RSS feed: You can turn pretty much everything into a RSS feed with silverstripe... The real questions is: Do we want to add news via the CMS or not. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
SilverStripe? Is that something that will look a bit like the ribbon-bar in the 2007-2010 MicroSquish Office? Regards from Tom :) From: Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Cc: webs...@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 21 December, 2010 2:41:40 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status Hi David, *, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:05 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Twitter and blog in the scrolling area are ok, but I think a news area is more important than those tow. Christian, is there a dedicated news/blogging module for SilverStripe? Well - there is a blog module, yes (meant for providing blogs yourself), and regarding news: You can of course add a news section as well. Similar to how the FAQ-items are automatically collected, one can collect news items. And you can create a area on the page that shows the X latest news entries. The basics on how to do it are laid out in the basic tutorials of silverstripe http://doc.silverstripe.org/tutorial:2-extending-a-basic-site If it is just about providing an RSS feed: You can turn pretty much everything into a RSS feed with silverstripe... The real questions is: Do we want to add news via the CMS or not. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David, *, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:35 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: [...] IMHO, I would scrap the current theme and make a new one. I've never done a SilverStripe theme before, but once you've hacked themes for a couple of CMS's, you can hack them for another. You don't hack a theme for silverstripe, you create a css for nicely created HTML :-)) The cms specific parts should be reduced to a minimum, as I think the html it creates is semantic enough, and not layout-dependent :-) I bet it would only take me a few days. If one of you SilverSite CSS/theming gurus helped out, I bet we could do it even quicker... Well, I wouldn't tackle this. Feedback from the marketing/design/branding front is rather sparse, as very few people have time these days, so I fear that it ends up like Nice, you got a theme, but unfortunately it doesn't match our vision for future branding or similar I personally don't like the libreofficeaustralia theme as it is now. Header much too high, language selection doesn't work (something opens, but that something is covered almost entirely by grey background, no selection possioble, etc. Visit it with german locale and you're locked out basically, as it then also doesn't even offer navigation, etc. So from first looks: Nah, needs work. Florian, Christian, if you gave me access to SSH/FTP into http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ then I could set a new theme up there No need to have access, the theme is in git: https://github.com/tdf/cms-themes you can download a zip or tar.gz there using the download button and you can create an export of the site using http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/StaticExporter/export?baseurl=relative This will get you a html.tar.gz - copy the cms-themes folder of the git download into the html folder as html/themes Then hack around. Don't bother about the silvertsripe templates, just add the html you wish there would be, I can then adapt the templates. The templates are included in the cms-themes as well, so feel free to have a look, it needs some refactoring anyway, (move common parts to includes, do less duplication), but they are pretty straightforward in either case. http://doc.silverstripe.org/templates What do you think, guys? See above. A redesign will very likely have to wait until people are able to provide input. The discussion on how the navigation should look for example didn't receive much feedback yet, so whatever you would do, it would be on a very fragile basis. a) We'd get a lot more flexibility with the content. b) If ever there is a changeover to a Drupal site, there will be no visual break... the roll-over could be almost invisible. This is a non-argument. Drupal can adapt to whatever we create on silverstripe, etc. PPPS: The graphic on the main page links to http:///download/ (not a relative link...) I know. I had to hack the HTML/CSS to make the shuffler look OK. Huh? What does the link have to do with it? You already fixed the images, the link is completely independent of the images/photo-shuffler. But I'll fix it nevertheless... ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I thought Joomla was far easier to use than Drupal and has a much larger faster community? SilverLight website looks very dated or is it just starting-up? Please don't start trolling. 1st of all it is SilverStripe, not SilverLight, 2nd if oyu know Joomla, Drupal, etc. Then you should know that the look is independent of the CMS. What it looks like depends on how you define the css. You can make the site look like whatever you want. So please: Don't argument pro/against a cms by the looks of the css. And yes, it is starting up, and no, the design is not new, it is closely based on the documentfoundation.org theme. We're aware that it is not the nicest theme around there, but if you want to be constructive, join the webs...@libreoffice.org mailinglist and/or the design/marketing lists. There have been various requests for comments, but people are too busy to spend a considerable amount of time into it right now. There have been a few proposals, but none of the drupal folks did comment on them either, and the drupal team did not pick those up either. So I don't consider the druapl site's theme any better in this regard. Closed-shop work unfortunately. Instead of working on defining the look of the site *right now* they prefer working behind closed doors on the drupal site without providing feedback on the public mailinglists. I don't like this at all. It is good to see progress, but when this progress is on a completely seperate track than the community discussion about the topic, then it doesn't help at all. Great. now this post turned into a rant again, but well, be it… ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Christian, :-) Thanks for your reply. OK, I've noted about working with the git repo. Let's see if there's any kind of go-ahead from Florian and Christoph. If we wait for answers from everyone, we'll never get anywhere and the subject will just drown in circular, endless discussions. My aim would be to do something concrete real soon. Let's see what's said... I personally don't like the libreofficeaustralia theme as it is now. Header much too high, language selection doesn't work (something opens, but that something is covered almost entirely by grey background, no selection possioble, etc. Visit it with german locale and you're locked out basically, as it then also doesn't even offer navigation, etc. So from first looks: Nah, needs work. I'm only talking about achieving the same presentation as on that site, so we're not really worried about what doesn't work on that site. But it's a clean presentation that will allow us to make the SilverStripe site and content look good quickly, and it basically fits the graphic charter... [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/6/65/Liboaustralia-screenshot1.png [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/Liboaustralia-screenshot2.png P.S. My advice would be not to get into arguments with stupid people deliberately spamming the thread with irrelevant off-topic comments. They do it deliberately to break up the intelligent discussion... David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
