Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-11 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Kendy, all, Am 11.04.22 um 12:24 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v Pá 08. 04. 2022 v 17:38 +0200: there is no such document, which collects all answers. I see, so all this was a "you have to believe me because I say so" from the very start. I don't know what you

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-11 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v Pá 08. 04. 2022 v 17:38 +0200: > there is no such document, which collects all answers. I see, so all this was a "you have to believe me because I say so" from the very start. > E.g. I'd expect you wouldn't find it usual, if an employee (e.g. from > Collabora)

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-10 Thread Emiliano Vavassori
Hi all, The unfortunate reality is that we are now definitely too close to the deadline to start a new budget round from scratch. I agree that the Foundation spending must include a stricter compliance check for CoI; I think people sitting on different sides of the table and playing with

Re: end-thread please (was: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022)

2022-04-08 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi all, it would be great if someone would stop to unilaterally declare that a very informative thread should end. Censorship does not help in moving forward and we should show that we respect the freedom that anyone should have to express their opinion (possibly backed by facts and

end-thread please (was: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022)

2022-04-08 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Andreas, changing the subject, and the request to please move this tangential discussion at least into a separate thread. Andreas Mantke wrote: > Most things are usual in the most developed countries and logical by > good judgement. > That's not an appropriate comment. Our community calls

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-08 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Kendy, all, Am 07.04.22 um 17:21 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v Čt 07. 04. 2022 v 16:56 +0200: Applying the above, the CoI'd deputy is not CoI'd any more when representing the non-CoI'd director, correct? No, because the reprenting deputy has the CoI in his

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, Florian Effenberger wrote on 06.04.22 at 08:15: in the private part of Monday's board call, the Board of Directors discussed the concerns raised with regards to the budgetting process. The Board decided to run another approval vote on the preliminary budget for 2022, as all board

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-07 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v Čt 07. 04. 2022 v 16:56 +0200: > > Applying the above, the CoI'd deputy is not CoI'd any more when > > representing the non-CoI'd director, correct? > > No, because the reprenting deputy has the CoI in his person and could > not drop that. I see, thank you!

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-07 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Kendy, all, Am 07.04.22 um 09:27 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v St 06. 04. 2022 v 18:11 +0200: Suppose you were in the Board with me as a deputy, I was missing in a meeting, and you were to represent me. Are you suddenly becoming a Collabora employee or

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-07 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v St 06. 04. 2022 v 18:11 +0200: > > Suppose you were in the Board with me as a deputy, I was missing in > > a > > meeting, and you were to represent me. > > > > Are you suddenly becoming a Collabora employee or contractor or > > affiliate in any other way? Or

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-06 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Kendy, all, Am 06.04.22 um 17:38 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v St 06. 04. 2022 v 17:05 +0200: b) It doesn't help, if a deputy board member tries to jump in for a board member, because it represents the board member (with all consequences including CoI). If the

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-06 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v St 06. 04. 2022 v 17:05 +0200: > b) It doesn't help, if a deputy board member tries to jump in for a > board member, because it represents the board member (with all > consequences including CoI). If the member is not able to vote (e.g. > because of CoI), there

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-06 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Andreas, thanks for your review and comments. It seems like we replied nearly at the same time as I made my vote conditional to a change of process that permanently fixes the issues you mentioned. The change of process needs to start from the ESC, from where anyway very valuable input

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-06 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello, Am 06.04.22 um 08:15 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, in the private part of Monday's board call, the Board of Directors discussed the concerns raised with regards to the budgetting process. The Board decided to run another approval vote on the preliminary budget for 2022, as all

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-06 Thread Paolo Vecchi
I support this preliminary budget but with conditions as there is not enough time to review the entire process by the time we have to file it at the end of April. Multiple times in the past two years, at least, concerns have been raised in regards to the way items are being put forward, voted

[board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-06 Thread Ayhan YALÇINSOY
In my opinion budget is already fine. I support it.Ayhan YALÇINSOY, Deputy Member of the Board of DirectorsThe Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DEGemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen RechtsLegal details:

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-06 Thread laszlo . nemeth
On Wed, 2022-04-06 at 08:15 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: On behalf of the Board, I therefore call for the following VOTE: Approval of the preliminary budget for 2022 +1 approve -- László Németh, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin,

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-06 Thread Gabriel Masei
On 2022-04-06 at 09:16, Florian Effenberger wrote: On behalf of the Board, I therefore call for the following VOTE: Approval of the preliminary budget for 2022 as summarized in https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/dlUqWosS6dnXs8bWoXl2vC6a and discussed in the private board meeting on 2022-03-28 +1

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-06 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Wed, 2022-04-06 at 08:15 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > On behalf of the Board, I therefore call for the following VOTE: > > Approval of the preliminary budget for 2022 +1 approve -- Caolán McNamara, Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707

[board-discuss] [VOTE] approval of preliminary budget for 2022

2022-04-06 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, in the private part of Monday's board call, the Board of Directors discussed the concerns raised with regards to the budgetting process. The Board decided to run another approval vote on the preliminary budget for 2022, as all board members and deputies who might bid on the approved