Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-25 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Kendy, that's an interesting turn. I guess you could have helped out Michael Meeks 3 months ago as it seemed to be such a big issue for him, I mean he's your boss so it would be natural for any employee to help out if he can't find a way to do it. It is also interesting to see that you

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-25 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Kendy, On 25/05/2022 14:18, Jan Holesovsky wrote: Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi píše v St 25. 05. 2022 v 13:41 +0200: Michael Meeks made a completely different proposal to employ a mentor. That is not my reading of the proposal. You may have missed a few details: The proposal is: "Hire a

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-25 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hello, Jan Holesovsky píše v St 25. 05. 2022 v 14:18 +0200: > To me it seems like those two proposals can be merged together to > create something good for TDF, if there is a will for that. And > there is from my side. And to show I mean it, I've converted the document to an editable version.

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-25 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi píše v St 25. 05. 2022 v 13:41 +0200: > Michael Meeks made a completely different proposal to employ a > mentor. That is not my reading of the proposal. Also what I like about the proposal is that it addresses my questions I had wrt. the tasking and management; where

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-25 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi píše v St 25. 05. 2022 v 12:13 +0200: > I've been waiting for Kendy to propose improvements for the past 3 > months but I'm yet to receive some. I see - I was waiting for the Board Working group being set up, as was proposed by Emiliano, and as seemed to me as the agreed

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-25 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi, On 25/05/2022 12:48, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Hi Paolo, all, Paolo Vecchi wrote: On 25/05/2022 10:19, Thorsten Behrens wrote: To reiterate the question, is that something the two of you would be willing to collaborate on? It seems like you missed my previous answer:

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-25 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Paolo, all, Paolo Vecchi wrote: > On 25/05/2022 10:19, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > > To reiterate the question, is that something the two of you would be > > willing to collaborate on? > It seems like you missed my previous answer: > >

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-25 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi, On 25/05/2022 10:19, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Hi Paolo, hi Kendy, I wrote: Could I ask the two of you to work out a joint proposal, how to finalize the document? It could be a working group or a shared, editable document, or something else entirely - but would be great to see this

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-25 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Paolo, hi Kendy, I wrote: > Could I ask the two of you to work out a joint proposal, how to > finalize the document? > > It could be a working group or a shared, editable document, or > something else entirely - but would be great to see this finished > soonish, and with wide board support. >

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
HI, On 23/05/2022 14:01, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 13:07: On 23/05/2022 12:57, Cor Nouws wrote: It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team. To evaluate the quality of your proposal. It would have been the responsibility of other

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi, On 23/05/2022 14:30, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Can I repeat my request to get a small group (e.g. Paolo, Kendy as representatives of the two opposing sides here) to first agree on a workable process, to quickly iterate the proposal to something we can all support? First of all, why are you

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Paolo, hi Kendy, all, Paolo Vecchi wrote: > > Hence my proposal for another approach, that can well result in a > > similar situation, but that you sadly didn't respond to for the third or > > fourth time. > > You stated that I should have answered questions, that in my opinion are > answered

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 13:07: On 23/05/2022 12:57, Cor Nouws wrote: It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team. To evaluate the quality of your proposal. It would have been the responsibility of other fellow members of the board to contribute

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
On 23/05/2022 12:57, Cor Nouws wrote: It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team. To evaluate the quality of your proposal. It would have been the responsibility of other fellow members of the board to contribute to a proposal but you may have noticed that the

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 12:49: Hi Cor, On 23/05/2022 12:37, Cor Nouws wrote: It is the boards responsibility to evaluate that. It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team. To evaluate the quality of your proposal. The board has an employees oversight

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Cor, On 23/05/2022 12:37, Cor Nouws wrote: It is the boards responsibility to evaluate that. It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team. The board has an employees oversight group which already conducts appraisals which, when conducted in a fair and objective way,

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 11:39: part of the process of providing constructive feedback is to evaluate objectively the information available and then propose improvements. Then who says what is objective evaluation and what is not? ... As described in the document I'm sure

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Cor, On 23/05/2022 02:03, Cor Nouws wrote: I think clarifying this is useful. From what I have read, I could easily conclude that mails that give ideas on where developers could work on, are considered to be 'constructive feedback', and that mails with questions about how we the work of

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-22 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Paolo, Cor Nouws wrote on 14/05/2022 00:11: Hi, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 13/05/2022 11:15: ... I haven't received any constructive feedback for a while so I presumed This puzzles me, Paolo. What do you consider as "constructive feedback"? I think clarifying this is useful. From what I

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 13/05/2022 11:15: ... I haven't received any constructive feedback for a while so I presumed This puzzles me, Paolo. What do you consider as "constructive feedback"? Cheers Cor -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188,

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-13 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Tuomas, On 13/05/2022 18:45, Tuomas Hietala wrote: Hello Paolo, Thank you for working on this proposal. As a member of TDF, I fully agree that more investment is needed in RTL, CTL and CJK in order to make LibreOffice useful for the next two billion or so people and potentially grow the

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-13 Thread Tuomas Hietala
Hello Paolo, Thank you for working on this proposal. As a member of TDF, I fully agree that more investment is needed in RTL, CTL and CJK in order to make LibreOffice useful for the next two billion or so people and potentially grow the community of contributors. I'd imagine this could also

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-13 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Caolan, On 13/05/2022 13:51, Caolán McNamara wrote: On Thu, 2022-05-12 at 14:29 +0200, Paolo Vecchi wrote: Hi all, after receiving quite a few comments and suggestions it seems like is time to publish what, hopefully, is the final version of the proposal to add 2 in-house developers to

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-13 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2022-05-12 at 14:29 +0200, Paolo Vecchi wrote: > Hi all, > > after receiving quite a few comments and suggestions it seems like is > time to publish what, hopefully, is the final version of the proposal > to add 2 in-house developers to TDF's team: > >

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-13 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi all, On 12/05/2022 21:15, Thorsten Behrens wrote: It could be a working group or a shared, editable document, or something else entirely - but would be great to see this finished soonish, and with wide board support. As we started the project in an open and transparent way I'm sure

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-12 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Paolo, hi Kendy, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > Paolo Vecchi píše v Čt 12. 05. 2022 v 14:29 +0200: > > I have received no additional constructive feedback from the board > > since > > the last published version so I assume that the proposal will be > > promptly approved as a new strategic project

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-12 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Kendy, On 12/05/2022 18:29, Jan Holesovsky wrote: If the Board working group is not going to be set up, I still have some feedback I'd like to share. Should I send it here instead? It has been communicated to send comments by email but nothing has arrived since a while from the board.

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-12 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi píše v Čt 12. 05. 2022 v 14:29 +0200: > I have received no additional constructive feedback from the board > since > the last published version so I assume that the proposal will be > promptly approved as a new strategic project and the team will be > kindly > asked to

[board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-12 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi all, after receiving quite a few comments and suggestions it seems like is time to publish what, hopefully, is the final version of the proposal to add 2 in-house developers to TDF's team: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/sfJeNq7H9GS8YPe The most significant changes have been