Re: [boinc_dev] credit goals

2009-07-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 22 Jul 2009 21:17:02 Martin escribió: > >> How can you satisfy all of these? > >> 1. credits per day in CPU app same for both projects > >> 2. credits per day in GPU app same for both projects > >> 3. within each project, same WU should give same credits no matter the > >> processor us

Re: [boinc_dev] credit goals

2009-07-22 Thread Martin
David Anderson wrote: > That's an excellent example; > it shows that no credit system can satisfy all goals simultaneously. > Any given system will violate some goals - > the challenge is to balance the levels of violation > based on the importance of the goals. > > Currently this is mostly fuzzy

Re: [boinc_dev] credit goals

2009-07-22 Thread jay
Unless one was to take the example of successful businesses, and provide some kind of incentive for fair completion of workunits over a broad system Simply: bo...@home closed source benchmarking project module. As some 'major upgrade' like "version 7.0" the bo...@home 'project' would need to be

Re: [boinc_dev] credit goals

2009-07-22 Thread David Anderson
That's an excellent example; it shows that no credit system can satisfy all goals simultaneously. Any given system will violate some goals - the challenge is to balance the levels of violation based on the importance of the goals. Currently this is mostly fuzzy and subjective; there's no official

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-22 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
Sounds reasonable to me. Not sure if that is what was intended. Al Reust wrote: > Seti Beta - NQueens (running backup project) 6.6.38 Aries > http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/beta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=22789 > 47 Cuda stuck in "project backoff" > [s...@home Beta Test] Backing off 2 hr 6 min 3

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-22 Thread Al Reust
Seti Beta - NQueens (running backup project) 6.6.38 Aries http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/beta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=22789 47 Cuda stuck in "project backoff" [s...@home Beta Test] Backing off 2 hr 6 min 34 sec on upload of 09mr09aa.11273.1299.3.13.117_1_0 I could select one result and click

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-22 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
If there is a bug, it may be in how fast the project-wide delay grows. I've only had a couple of cycles and it's already 2.7 hours. If there are unwarranted bug reports, it is because uploads sit at "upload pending" and there is no indication in the GUI that there is a project wide delay, or wh

Re: [boinc_dev] credit goals

2009-07-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 22 Jul 2009 14:35:37 David Anderson escribió: > Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > > > So it would distribute computing power across projects, which is what we > > want, isn't it? > > Not exactly. We want projects that are doing better or more important > science (as judged by volunteers) to ge

[boinc_dev] credit goals

2009-07-22 Thread David Anderson
Nicolás Alvarez wrote: ... > So it would distribute computing power across projects, which is what we > want, > isn't it? Not exactly. We want projects that are doing better or more important science (as judged by volunteers) to get more computing power. The main criterion for choosing a projec

Re: [boinc_dev] Some CUDA related questions

2009-07-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 22 Jul 2009 06:25:11 Oliver Bock escribió: > "Sending sigkill (ctrl-c) to an application that is currently running a > kernel on the GPU may not result in a clean shutdown of the process as the > kernel may continue running for a long time afterwards on the GPU. In such > cases, a syst

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 22 Jul 2009 09:43:52 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: > Rank is rather hopeless as a metric. I dedicate 1% of computing power to > some projects and I am in the top few. On others I dedicate 33% of > computing power and I am not in the top thousand. If you want to get into the top f

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-22 Thread Michael Tughan
The percentage could always be weighted with regard to the number of participants in the project. So a standing at a larger project would have more weight than the standing at a smaller project, and that should take care of most of the issues. Michael Tughan Michael's Programming On 22-Jul-

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-22 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
Benchmarks are the worst, except of course for the alternatives. Martin wrote: > The present Boinc run benchmarks are too unrepresentative across > different hardware to work well enough even within a project. Hence the > dire inaccuracies when trying to award credit using run time. ___

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-22 Thread Rattledagger
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:44:33 -0700, you wrote: >I just checked in the change you describe. >Actually it was added 4 years ago, >but was backed out because there were reports that it wasn't working right. > >This time I added some -enabled messages, >so we should be able to track down any problems.

[boinc_dev] Unique host identifier?

2009-07-22 Thread Oliver Bock
Hi again, The structure APP_INIT_DATA (still) contains a member called "hostid". However, the only reference to that member in lib/app_ipc.cpp can be found in APP_INIT_DATA::copy(), hence it seems that this member is neither written nor parsed (anymore), right? As I want to pass a unique host

Re: [boinc_dev] Request For Information

2009-07-22 Thread Martin
jitesh dundas wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam, > > I am unable to download the tasks for BIONC projects. > After I have downloaded the tasks, how do I go ahead and work on them, > please let me know. See: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php Then "attach" to whatever projects of your choice. See: ht

Re: [boinc_dev] Request For Information

2009-07-22 Thread John . McLeod
This is the wrong forum for this question. There should be a question and answer forum on each project. There is some reading that might help at http://boinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_Help. There are also volunteers available through email or skype at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/help.php. jm7

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-22 Thread John . McLeod
Rank is rather hopeless as a metric. I dedicate 1% of computing power to some projects and I am in the top few. On others I dedicate 33% of computing power and I am not in the top thousand. jm7 zombie67

[boinc_dev] Request For Information

2009-07-22 Thread jitesh dundas
Dear Sir/Madam, I am unable to download the tasks for BIONC projects. After I have downloaded the tasks, how do I go ahead and work on them, please let me know. I have another query, but not related to BOINC (Sorry About that.) I am in process of submitting my extended research paper(area of

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-22 Thread Martin
zombie67 wrote: > On Jul 21, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Lynn W. Taylor wrote: >> I don't see a way out, short of doing exactly what Eric Korpela's >> script >> tries to do -- normalize FLOPS credit to that predicted by the >> (imperfect) benchmarks. > > Solution: Give up on cross-project credit parity.

Re: [boinc_dev] Some CUDA related questions

2009-07-22 Thread Oliver Bock
Hi David/Eric, On Tuesday 21 July 2009 22:42:47 David Anderson wrote: > > 3) What about signal handling in CUDA apps? How important is it to free > > allocated device memory when the host app is terminated/killed (SIGKILL > > five secs. after SIGTERM) by the BOINC client? I found some indications