Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-06 Thread Darrell Holz 

 Ok, talk like a pirate day isn't until Sept 19th. While you're fixing bug 
crashes, here is another one that I get when I build a debug version 7.7.0 from 
the repository.

[url]https://1drv.ms/t/s!ArIvftV8roEagWVFJar0-lCqs9pX[url]

 

 

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From: David Anderson <da...@ssl.berkeley.edu>
To: Richard Haselgrove <r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com>; Jacob Klein 
<jacob_w_kl...@msn.com>; Rom Walton <r...@romwnet.org>; Art Masson 
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Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray 
(7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

Well, shiver me timbers.I looked in AppData/Roaming/BOINC and found a crash 
file, which in my case had symbols.This showed that the Manager crashed when 
trying to parse an empty GUI RPC reply(in this case 
get_project_init_status()).I'll fix this crash; why it was getting an empty 
reply is not clear to me.-- DavidOn 7/5/2017 2:17 PM, Richard Haselgrove 
wrote:> Well, blow me down. I've got a file in C:\Users\Richard > 
Haselgrove\AppData\Roaming\BOINC too - unhelpful, because my data is in 
D:\BOINCdata>>> Full file attached for direct addressees>>> On Wednesday, 5 
July 2017, 21:07, Jacob Klein <jacob_w_kl...@msn.com> wrote:>>> Hey Rom / 
David:>>> I'll be damned, I AM getting an error in stderrgui.txt, when BOINC 
Manager fails > to launch correctly at Windows login and leaves stale tray 
icon. This > stderrgui.txt info should help you solve it, I'd think. Here 
goes.>>> File location: C:\Users\jacob\AppData\Roaming\BOINC\stderrgui.txt>> 
Full file: Attached>> ***Juicy parts*** (note: This was with BOINC 7.8.0 x64 on 
Windows 10 x64, and I > have manually installed Oracle VirtualBox v5.0.40 Build 
115130):>> Unhandled Exception Detected...> - Unhandled Exception Record -> 
Reason: Access Violation (0xc005) at address 0x7FF7A0FADFC6 write 
attempt > to address 0x>> Can you isolate it, based on knowing that 
info?> Let me know if you need me to run a special version or debug option or 
anything.>> Thanks,> Jacob>>>>> >> From: Rom 
Walton <r...@romwnet.org <mailto:r...@romwnet.org>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 
5:51 PM> To: David Anderson; Jacob Klein; Art Masson; boinc_alpha email list; 
BOINC > Developers Mailing List> Subject: RE: [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC 
Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) > Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up>>> If the 
icon is disappearing, that implies that BOINC Manager is crashing.>>>> Is 
anything written to stderrgui.txt or stdoutgui.txt?>>>> - Rom>>>> From: 
David Anderson [mailto:da...@ssl.berkeley.edu <mailto:da...@ssl.berkeley.edu>]> 
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 2:36 PM> To: Jacob Klein <jacob_w_kl...@msn.com 
<mailto:jacob_w_kl...@msn.com>>; Art Masson > <artmas...@gmail.com 
<mailto:artmas...@gmail.com>>; boinc_alpha email list > 
<boinc_al...@ssl.berkeley.edu <mailto:boinc_al...@ssl.berkeley.edu>>; Rom 
Walton > <r...@romwnet.org <mailto:r...@romwnet.org>>; BOINC Developers Mailing 
List > <boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu <mailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu>>> 
Subject: Re: [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) > 
Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up>>>> Rom:> Any ideas on how to debug this 
problem?> -- David>> On 7/3/2017 2:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote:>> This doesn't 
make sense to me. I had the problems with Windows 10 Creator’s > update, and 
continue to have problems with Windows 10 Insider builds newer than > that. My 
hunch is that Art has a scenario that masks/hides the issue. I still show > it 
as broken.>>>>>> From: David Anderson<mailto:da...@ssl.berkeley.edu 
<mailto:da...@ssl.berkeley.edu>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:14 PM> To: Art 
Masson<mailto:artmas...@gmail.com <mailto:artmas...@gmail.com>>; > boinc_alpha 
email list<mailto:boinc_al...@ssl.berkeley.edu > 
<mailto:boinc_al...@ssl.berkeley.edu>>> Subject: Re: [boinc_alpha] Disappearing 
BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) > Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up>>>> 
Thanks.> Jacob Klein, is this compatible with what you're seeing?> -- D>> On 
7/3/2017 11:23 AM, Art Masson wrote:> >> > I've just tested this with BOINC 
7.8.0 and the application starts correctly when> > Windows reboots or starts up 
on my machine. From my standpoint this incorrect> > behavior appears to have 
been fixed with Windows 10 Creators release and was not a> > BOINC application 
problem.> >> > A

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-04 Thread Jacob Klein 
Correction: I think Clifton originally reported it, and I confirmed it, and 
tried to describe the behavior completely.



Anyway…I hope it gets fixed.





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Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray 
(7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up



Wow, guys. I thought I explained it accurately and succinctly. I still think I 
did. Reread what I wrote earlier.



Anyway, the orphaned tray icon disappears on hover, because the Manager crashed 
after starting up. It is typical for tray icons to do that, when tray programs 
crash.



I will try to learn more about this BOINC problem, but thought I researched it 
as much as I could, when I reported the issue to BOINC Alpha in March!



From: Richard Haselgrove<mailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Art Masson<mailto:artmas...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray 
(7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up



Yes, I think it's a Windows 10 issue.

I started with:

Windows 10 Professional
Version 1607
OS Build 14393.479

That displayed missing icons, unable to re-display autorun copy of Manager, 
etc. as we've been discussing.

After a very long update session, I have all as above EXCEPT

OS build 14393.1358

Now, the icon displays as you might expect: normally hidden in the Notification 
Area, but can be moved to the taskbar by drag'n'drop or by personalization. I 
had to work through 
http://www.howto-connect.com/customize-system-tray-on-windows-10-on-your-own-preference/
   to work out all the options. Let's say that M$ have fixed it in build 1358 
(and, hopefully, later).

Another problem: after the big update session, Windows started BOINC v7.8.0, 
and BOINC displayed the BOINC notices tab and the 'attach project' wizard: 
which was blank, no projects available. However, once I'd dismissed all that 
and gone back to the tasks tab, all projects were present and crunching as 
normal. Haven't worked out why that happened yet.

On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 16:40, Art Masson <artmas...@gmail.com> wrote:


 After reboot I see the icon in the system tray, but as soon as I click on it, 
it disappears.  Is that what you are seeing too?  It does look like the app is 
actually running and stays running however -- and when I relaunch manually it 
seems to simply restore the tray icon.  I do think this behavior occurred prior 
to 7.8 however ... still wondering if this isn't really  a Windows 10 issue 
that's been there awhile.
Art


Sent from my iPhone 6s

> On Jul 4, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Richard Haselgrove 
> <r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> I'm working through the same tests - currently downloading June '17 
> cumulative security patch.
>
> But I'm seeing no BOINC Manager icon in the system tray - either with a 
> previous homebuild, or with v7.8.0
>
> But BOINC *does run* after restart, as can be confirmed in Task Manager - all 
> three components (BOINC.exe, BoincMgr, BoincTray) are running. But I haven't 
> (yet) found a way of restoring the auto-start copy of BOINC Manager to the 
> screen. The best I can do is to launch a second instance to control the 
> beast. Still looking.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 15:37, Art Masson <artmas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> WowI stand corrected.  This morning I restarted two machines running
> Windows 10 Creator and BOINC 7.8.0.  Both machines experienced the
> "disappearing" icon in the system tray problem. No idea why I didn't
> experience this yesterday when I tested this.  What was strange is that
> when I restarted BOINC manually, it came up instantly on both machines
> and the event log timing showed it had actually restarted on the
> reboot...and was apparently already running (without the system try
> icon).  After I forced the BOINC launch, the system tray icon reappeared
> and everything seems fine.
>
> By the way, I'm also testing the Mac BOINC version 7.8.0 on a machine
> running MacOS Sierra 10.12.16 (Beta Release 5) with no problems so far.
>
> Art Masson
>
>
>
>
> On 7/3/2017 6:16 PM, Art Masson wrote:
> >
> > I had a heck of a time getting Windows 10 Creator to load on this
> > machine.  The problem ultimately was tha

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-04 Thread Jacob Klein 
Wow, guys. I thought I explained it accurately and succinctly. I still think I 
did. Reread what I wrote earlier.



Anyway, the orphaned tray icon disappears on hover, because the Manager crashed 
after starting up. It is typical for tray icons to do that, when tray programs 
crash.



I will try to learn more about this BOINC problem, but thought I researched it 
as much as I could, when I reported the issue to BOINC Alpha in March!



From: Richard Haselgrove<mailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Art Masson<mailto:artmas...@gmail.com>
Cc: Rom Walton<mailto:rwal...@ssl.berkeley.edu>; BOINC Developers Mailing 
List<mailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu>; boinc_alpha email 
list<mailto:boinc_al...@ssl.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray 
(7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up



Yes, I think it's a Windows 10 issue.

I started with:

Windows 10 Professional
Version 1607
OS Build 14393.479

That displayed missing icons, unable to re-display autorun copy of Manager, 
etc. as we've been discussing.

After a very long update session, I have all as above EXCEPT

OS build 14393.1358

Now, the icon displays as you might expect: normally hidden in the Notification 
Area, but can be moved to the taskbar by drag'n'drop or by personalization. I 
had to work through 
http://www.howto-connect.com/customize-system-tray-on-windows-10-on-your-own-preference/
   to work out all the options. Let's say that M$ have fixed it in build 1358 
(and, hopefully, later).

Another problem: after the big update session, Windows started BOINC v7.8.0, 
and BOINC displayed the BOINC notices tab and the 'attach project' wizard: 
which was blank, no projects available. However, once I'd dismissed all that 
and gone back to the tasks tab, all projects were present and crunching as 
normal. Haven't worked out why that happened yet.

On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 16:40, Art Masson <artmas...@gmail.com> wrote:


 After reboot I see the icon in the system tray, but as soon as I click on it, 
it disappears.  Is that what you are seeing too?  It does look like the app is 
actually running and stays running however -- and when I relaunch manually it 
seems to simply restore the tray icon.  I do think this behavior occurred prior 
to 7.8 however ... still wondering if this isn't really  a Windows 10 issue 
that's been there awhile.
Art


Sent from my iPhone 6s

> On Jul 4, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Richard Haselgrove 
> <r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> I'm working through the same tests - currently downloading June '17 
> cumulative security patch.
>
> But I'm seeing no BOINC Manager icon in the system tray - either with a 
> previous homebuild, or with v7.8.0
>
> But BOINC *does run* after restart, as can be confirmed in Task Manager - all 
> three components (BOINC.exe, BoincMgr, BoincTray) are running. But I haven't 
> (yet) found a way of restoring the auto-start copy of BOINC Manager to the 
> screen. The best I can do is to launch a second instance to control the 
> beast. Still looking.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 15:37, Art Masson <artmas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> WowI stand corrected.  This morning I restarted two machines running
> Windows 10 Creator and BOINC 7.8.0.  Both machines experienced the
> "disappearing" icon in the system tray problem. No idea why I didn't
> experience this yesterday when I tested this.  What was strange is that
> when I restarted BOINC manually, it came up instantly on both machines
> and the event log timing showed it had actually restarted on the
> reboot...and was apparently already running (without the system try
> icon).  After I forced the BOINC launch, the system tray icon reappeared
> and everything seems fine.
>
> By the way, I'm also testing the Mac BOINC version 7.8.0 on a machine
> running MacOS Sierra 10.12.16 (Beta Release 5) with no problems so far.
>
> Art Masson
>
>
>
>
> On 7/3/2017 6:16 PM, Art Masson wrote:
> >
> > I had a heck of a time getting Windows 10 Creator to load on this
> > machine.  The problem ultimately was that my Windows "system reserved
> > partition" was only 100MB and was full/too small.  After I increased
> > the hidden partition size, Windows 10 Creator upgrade run
> > successfully.  However, I don't think my upgrade problems are directly
> > replaced to the "disappearing icon" issue.  I did see this problem
> > consistently on another machine which had the previous version  of
> > Windows 10 on it -- where I had to manually restart BOINC each time
> > the machine started or rebooted.  I had done some research on the
> > "startup" problem with applications on Windows 10, so frankly I've
> &

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-04 Thread Richard Haselgrove 
No, I hadn't reached Creator's update yet - I'm still on 14393, whatever that's 
called.
But I'm downloading Creator's now - that'll be 15xxx. Give it a try in the 
morning. 

On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 19:57, Juha Sointusalo  
wrote:
 

 On 4 July 2017 at 19:33, Richard Haselgrove 
wrote:

> Yes, as just reported - but you need to be running a build later than .479
> for that to work.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 17:19, Juha Sointusalo 
> wrote:
>
> These days Windows hides notification icons rather aggressively.
>

Missed the part about Creators Update, still on Anniversary Update here.
Sorry.

I figured I'd go and test how the Manager behaves with Anniversary Update
and to my surprise it actually crashes.

I rebooted the computer and logged in. Manager is set to start
automatically, minimized to notification icon. At first the icon said
Connecting to client (or whatever the precise wording is) and I waited
until it said it was connected. I clicked the icon which promptly
disappeared. I verified with Task Manager that it was crash, no
boincmgr.exe anywhere. Crash log attached, good luck getting anything
useful out of it. To others: Manager's logs are in
C:\Users\you\AppData\Roaming\BOINC.

On related note. The client sometimes takes a very long time to start up,
20+ seconds. The following is with most of the logging options enabled:

04-Jul-2017 21:21:44 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.8.0 for
windows_x86_64
...
04-Jul-2017 21:21:46 [---] [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: Prefs
update
04-Jul-2017 21:21:46 [---] [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: Startup
04-Jul-2017 21:21:46 [ATLAS@home] Task
YMzLDmXegrpnDDn7oo6G73TpABFKDmABFKDmIPMKDmABFKDmSd7sNm_0 is 142.90 days
overdue; you may not get credit for it.  Consider aborting it.
04-Jul-2017 21:21:46 [---] [gui_rpc] Local control only allowed
04-Jul-2017 21:21:46 [---] [gui_rpc] Listening on port 31416
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 [---] [http] HTTP_OP::init_get():
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/project_list.php
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 [---] [http] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle
'C:\BOINC\ca-bundle.crt'
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 [---] [http] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle set
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 [---] [proxy] HTTP_OP::no_proxy_for_url():
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/project_list.php
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 [---] [proxy] returning false
...
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 Initialization completed

(Ignore the Atlas task.)

There are really no messages between 21:21:46 and 21:22:05. I've seen this
multiple times but it is not reliably reproducible. This delay could be
what is triggering the Add project dialog in Manager.

-Juha
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Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-04 Thread Juha Sointusalo 
On 4 July 2017 at 19:33, Richard Haselgrove 
wrote:

> Yes, as just reported - but you need to be running a build later than .479
> for that to work.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 17:19, Juha Sointusalo 
> wrote:
>
> These days Windows hides notification icons rather aggressively.
>

Missed the part about Creators Update, still on Anniversary Update here.
Sorry.

I figured I'd go and test how the Manager behaves with Anniversary Update
and to my surprise it actually crashes.

I rebooted the computer and logged in. Manager is set to start
automatically, minimized to notification icon. At first the icon said
Connecting to client (or whatever the precise wording is) and I waited
until it said it was connected. I clicked the icon which promptly
disappeared. I verified with Task Manager that it was crash, no
boincmgr.exe anywhere. Crash log attached, good luck getting anything
useful out of it. To others: Manager's logs are in
C:\Users\you\AppData\Roaming\BOINC.

On related note. The client sometimes takes a very long time to start up,
20+ seconds. The following is with most of the logging options enabled:

04-Jul-2017 21:21:44 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.8.0 for
windows_x86_64
...
04-Jul-2017 21:21:46 [---] [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: Prefs
update
04-Jul-2017 21:21:46 [---] [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: Startup
04-Jul-2017 21:21:46 [ATLAS@home] Task
YMzLDmXegrpnDDn7oo6G73TpABFKDmABFKDmIPMKDmABFKDmSd7sNm_0 is 142.90 days
overdue; you may not get credit for it.  Consider aborting it.
04-Jul-2017 21:21:46 [---] [gui_rpc] Local control only allowed
04-Jul-2017 21:21:46 [---] [gui_rpc] Listening on port 31416
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 [---] [http] HTTP_OP::init_get():
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/project_list.php
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 [---] [http] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle
'C:\BOINC\ca-bundle.crt'
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 [---] [http] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle set
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 [---] [proxy] HTTP_OP::no_proxy_for_url():
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/project_list.php
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 [---] [proxy] returning false
...
04-Jul-2017 21:22:05 Initialization completed

(Ignore the Atlas task.)

There are really no messages between 21:21:46 and 21:22:05. I've seen this
multiple times but it is not reliably reproducible. This delay could be
what is triggering the Add project dialog in Manager.

-Juha
Unhandled Exception Detected...

- Unhandled Exception Record -
Reason: Access Violation (0xc005) at address 0x7FF61D15DFC6 write 
attempt to address 0x

Engaging BOINC Windows Runtime Debugger...






BOINC Windows Runtime Debugger Version 7.8.0


Dump Timestamp: 07/04/17 21:22:05
Loaded Library: dbghelp.dll
LoadLibraryA( symsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( symsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( srcsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
LoadLibraryA( srcsrv.dll ): GetLastError = 126
Loaded Library: version.dll
Debugger Engine   : 4.0.5.0
Symbol Search Path: C:\BOINC data;C:\BOINC;srv*C:\BOINC 
data\symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols;srv*C:\BOINC 
data\symbols*http://boinc.berkeley.edu/symstore


ModLoad: 1d15 0089f000 C:\BOINC\boincmgr.exe (7.8.0.0) 
(-nosymbols- Symbols Loaded)
Linked PDB Filename   : 
C:\Users\David\Documents\BOINC_git\boinc_7.8\win_build\Build\x64\Release\boincmgr.pdb
File Version  : 7.8.0
Company Name  : Space Sciences Laboratory
Product Name  : BOINC client
Product Version   : 7.8.0

ModLoad: 16ec 001d1000 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll 
(6.2.14393.479) (-exported- Symbols Loaded)
Linked PDB Filename   : ntdll.pdb
File Version  : 10.0.14393.206 (rs1_release.160915-0644)
Company Name  : Microsoft Corporation
Product Name  : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Product Version   : 10.0.14393.206

ModLoad: 1623 000ac000 C:\WINDOWS\System32\KERNEL32.DLL 
(6.2.14393.1198) (-exported- Symbols Loaded)
Linked PDB Filename   : kernel32.pdb
File Version  : 10.0.14393.206 (rs1_release.160915-0644)
Company Name  : Microsoft Corporation
Product Name  : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Product Version   : 10.0.14393.206

ModLoad: 13c3 0021d000 C:\WINDOWS\System32\KERNELBASE.dll 
(6.2.14393.1358) (-exported- Symbols Loaded)
Linked PDB Filename   : kernelbase.pdb
File Version  : 10.0.14393.206 (rs1_release.160915-0644)
Company Name  : Microsoft Corporation
Product Name  : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Product Version   : 10.0.14393.206

ModLoad: 1695 00165000 C:\WINDOWS\System32\USER32.dll 
(6.2.14393.576) (-exported- Symbols Loaded)
Linked PDB Filename   : user32.pdb
File Version  : 10.0.14393.0 (rs1_release.160715-1616)

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-04 Thread Richard Haselgrove 
Yes, as just reported - but you need to be running a build later than .479 for 
that to work. 

On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 17:19, Juha Sointusalo  
wrote:
 

 On 4 July 2017 at 17:54, Richard Haselgrove 
wrote:

> I'm working through the same tests - currently downloading June '17
> cumulative security patch.
> But I'm seeing no BOINC Manager icon in the system tray - either with a
> previous homebuild, or with v7.8.0
> But BOINC *does run* after restart, as can be confirmed in Task Manager -
> all three components (BOINC.exe, BoincMgr, BoincTray) are running. But I
> haven't (yet) found a way of restoring the auto-start copy of BOINC Manager
> to the screen. The best I can do is to launch a second instance to control
> the beast. Still looking.
>

These days Windows hides notification icons rather aggressively. You can
tell if it's hidden by clicking the "up arrow" near the clock, the same
since, about, XP. If it's hidden you can unhide it by right clicking task
bar, selecting Settings and selecting Select which icons appear on the
taskbar in Notification area.

-Juha
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Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-04 Thread Richard Haselgrove 
Yes, I think it's a Windows 10 issue.

I started with:

Windows 10 Professional
Version 1607
OS Build 14393.479

That displayed missing icons, unable to re-display autorun copy of Manager, 
etc. as we've been discussing.

After a very long update session, I have all as above EXCEPT

OS build 14393.1358

Now, the icon displays as you might expect: normally hidden in the Notification 
Area, but can be moved to the taskbar by drag'n'drop or by personalization. I 
had to work through 
http://www.howto-connect.com/customize-system-tray-on-windows-10-on-your-own-preference/
   to work out all the options. Let's say that M$ have fixed it in build 1358 
(and, hopefully, later).

Another problem: after the big update session, Windows started BOINC v7.8.0, 
and BOINC displayed the BOINC notices tab and the 'attach project' wizard: 
which was blank, no projects available. However, once I'd dismissed all that 
and gone back to the tasks tab, all projects were present and crunching as 
normal. Haven't worked out why that happened yet. 

On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 16:40, Art Masson  wrote:
 

 After reboot I see the icon in the system tray, but as soon as I click on it, 
it disappears.  Is that what you are seeing too?  It does look like the app is 
actually running and stays running however -- and when I relaunch manually it 
seems to simply restore the tray icon.  I do think this behavior occurred prior 
to 7.8 however ... still wondering if this isn't really  a Windows 10 issue 
that's been there awhile.  
Art


Sent from my iPhone 6s

> On Jul 4, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Richard Haselgrove 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm working through the same tests - currently downloading June '17 
> cumulative security patch.
> 
> But I'm seeing no BOINC Manager icon in the system tray - either with a 
> previous homebuild, or with v7.8.0
> 
> But BOINC *does run* after restart, as can be confirmed in Task Manager - all 
> three components (BOINC.exe, BoincMgr, BoincTray) are running. But I haven't 
> (yet) found a way of restoring the auto-start copy of BOINC Manager to the 
> screen. The best I can do is to launch a second instance to control the 
> beast. Still looking.
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 15:37, Art Masson  wrote:
> 
> 
> WowI stand corrected.  This morning I restarted two machines running 
> Windows 10 Creator and BOINC 7.8.0.  Both machines experienced the 
> "disappearing" icon in the system tray problem. No idea why I didn't 
> experience this yesterday when I tested this.  What was strange is that 
> when I restarted BOINC manually, it came up instantly on both machines 
> and the event log timing showed it had actually restarted on the 
> reboot...and was apparently already running (without the system try 
> icon).  After I forced the BOINC launch, the system tray icon reappeared 
> and everything seems fine.
> 
> By the way, I'm also testing the Mac BOINC version 7.8.0 on a machine 
> running MacOS Sierra 10.12.16 (Beta Release 5) with no problems so far.
> 
> Art Masson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/3/2017 6:16 PM, Art Masson wrote:
> >
> > I had a heck of a time getting Windows 10 Creator to load on this 
> > machine.  The problem ultimately was that my Windows "system reserved 
> > partition" was only 100MB and was full/too small.  After I increased 
> > the hidden partition size, Windows 10 Creator upgrade run 
> > successfully.  However, I don't think my upgrade problems are directly 
> > replaced to the "disappearing icon" issue.  I did see this problem 
> > consistently on another machine which had the previous version  of 
> > Windows 10 on it -- where I had to manually restart BOINC each time 
> > the machine started or rebooted.  I had done some research on the 
> > "startup" problem with applications on Windows 10, so frankly I've 
> > assumed that the problem was fixed in the latest release.  However 
> > I've not upgraded the machine where I had the problem (will not be 
> > back home until next week to try it).  Sorry I don't have more info, 
> > but the Windows 10 fails to startup application problem was referenced 
> > I believe (see link) and the various fixed suggested never worked for 
> > me..some apps started but some did not...
> >
> > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-performance/windows-10-programs-do-not-launch/bae62ab1-b938-4c71-bfce-d5f1ee170f8f
> >
> > Not sure if this is related to the problem or a blind alley.  When I 
> > get back home, I will confirm this behavior on my other Windows 10 
> > machine, then do the Creator upgrade and see if the launch problem 
> > resolves itself.  I do not have this problem on this machine running 
> > Windows 10 Creator -- but then I don't think I ever saw that "launch" 
> > problem on this machine either...
> >
> > Sorry I can't be of more help
> > Art Masson
> >
> >
> > On 7/3/2017 5:36 PM, David Anderson wrote:
> >> Rom:
> >> Any ideas on how to debug this

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-04 Thread Juha Sointusalo 
On 4 July 2017 at 17:54, Richard Haselgrove 
wrote:

> I'm working through the same tests - currently downloading June '17
> cumulative security patch.
> But I'm seeing no BOINC Manager icon in the system tray - either with a
> previous homebuild, or with v7.8.0
> But BOINC *does run* after restart, as can be confirmed in Task Manager -
> all three components (BOINC.exe, BoincMgr, BoincTray) are running. But I
> haven't (yet) found a way of restoring the auto-start copy of BOINC Manager
> to the screen. The best I can do is to launch a second instance to control
> the beast. Still looking.
>

These days Windows hides notification icons rather aggressively. You can
tell if it's hidden by clicking the "up arrow" near the clock, the same
since, about, XP. If it's hidden you can unhide it by right clicking task
bar, selecting Settings and selecting Select which icons appear on the
taskbar in Notification area.

-Juha
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Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-04 Thread Art Masson 
After reboot I see the icon in the system tray, but as soon as I click on it, 
it disappears.  Is that what you are seeing too?  It does look like the app is 
actually running and stays running however -- and when I relaunch manually it 
seems to simply restore the tray icon.  I do think this behavior occurred prior 
to 7.8 however ... still wondering if this isn't really  a Windows 10 issue 
that's been there awhile.  
Art


Sent from my iPhone 6s

> On Jul 4, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Richard Haselgrove 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm working through the same tests - currently downloading June '17 
> cumulative security patch.
> 
> But I'm seeing no BOINC Manager icon in the system tray - either with a 
> previous homebuild, or with v7.8.0
> 
> But BOINC *does run* after restart, as can be confirmed in Task Manager - all 
> three components (BOINC.exe, BoincMgr, BoincTray) are running. But I haven't 
> (yet) found a way of restoring the auto-start copy of BOINC Manager to the 
> screen. The best I can do is to launch a second instance to control the 
> beast. Still looking.
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 15:37, Art Masson  wrote:
> 
> 
> WowI stand corrected.  This morning I restarted two machines running 
> Windows 10 Creator and BOINC 7.8.0.  Both machines experienced the 
> "disappearing" icon in the system tray problem. No idea why I didn't 
> experience this yesterday when I tested this.  What was strange is that 
> when I restarted BOINC manually, it came up instantly on both machines 
> and the event log timing showed it had actually restarted on the 
> reboot...and was apparently already running (without the system try 
> icon).  After I forced the BOINC launch, the system tray icon reappeared 
> and everything seems fine.
> 
> By the way, I'm also testing the Mac BOINC version 7.8.0 on a machine 
> running MacOS Sierra 10.12.16 (Beta Release 5) with no problems so far.
> 
> Art Masson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/3/2017 6:16 PM, Art Masson wrote:
> >
> > I had a heck of a time getting Windows 10 Creator to load on this 
> > machine.  The problem ultimately was that my Windows "system reserved 
> > partition" was only 100MB and was full/too small.  After I increased 
> > the hidden partition size, Windows 10 Creator upgrade run 
> > successfully.  However, I don't think my upgrade problems are directly 
> > replaced to the "disappearing icon" issue.  I did see this problem 
> > consistently on another machine which had the previous version  of 
> > Windows 10 on it -- where I had to manually restart BOINC each time 
> > the machine started or rebooted.  I had done some research on the 
> > "startup" problem with applications on Windows 10, so frankly I've 
> > assumed that the problem was fixed in the latest release.  However 
> > I've not upgraded the machine where I had the problem (will not be 
> > back home until next week to try it).  Sorry I don't have more info, 
> > but the Windows 10 fails to startup application problem was referenced 
> > I believe (see link) and the various fixed suggested never worked for 
> > me..some apps started but some did not...
> >
> > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-performance/windows-10-programs-do-not-launch/bae62ab1-b938-4c71-bfce-d5f1ee170f8f
> >
> > Not sure if this is related to the problem or a blind alley.  When I 
> > get back home, I will confirm this behavior on my other Windows 10 
> > machine, then do the Creator upgrade and see if the launch problem 
> > resolves itself.  I do not have this problem on this machine running 
> > Windows 10 Creator -- but then I don't think I ever saw that "launch" 
> > problem on this machine either...
> >
> > Sorry I can't be of more help
> > Art Masson
> >
> >
> > On 7/3/2017 5:36 PM, David Anderson wrote:
> >> Rom:
> >> Any ideas on how to debug this problem?
> >> -- David
> >>
> >> On 7/3/2017 2:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This doesn't make sense to me. I had the problems with Windows 10 
> >>> Creator’s update, and continue to have problems with Windows 10 
> >>> Insider builds newer than that. My hunch is that Art has a scenario 
> >>> that masks/hides the issue. I still show it as broken.
> >>>
> >>> *From: *David Anderson 
> >>> *Sent: *Monday, July 3, 2017 5:14 PM
> >>> *To: *Art Masson ; boinc_alpha email 
> >>> list 
> >>> *Subject: *Re: [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray 
> >>> (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Jacob Klein, is this compatible with what you're seeing?
> >>> -- D
> >>>
> >>> On 7/3/2017 11:23 AM, Art Masson wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I've just tested this with BOINC 7.8.0 and the application starts 
> >>> correctly when
> >>> > Windows reboots or starts up on my machine.  From my standpoint 
> >>> this incorrect
> >>> > behavior appears to have been fixed with Windows 10

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-04 Thread Richard Haselgrove 
I'm working through the same tests - currently downloading June '17 cumulative 
security patch.
But I'm seeing no BOINC Manager icon in the system tray - either with a 
previous homebuild, or with v7.8.0
But BOINC *does run* after restart, as can be confirmed in Task Manager - all 
three components (BOINC.exe, BoincMgr, BoincTray) are running. But I haven't 
(yet) found a way of restoring the auto-start copy of BOINC Manager to the 
screen. The best I can do is to launch a second instance to control the beast. 
Still looking. 

On Tuesday, 4 July 2017, 15:37, Art Masson  wrote:
 

 WowI stand corrected.  This morning I restarted two machines running 
Windows 10 Creator and BOINC 7.8.0.  Both machines experienced the 
"disappearing" icon in the system tray problem. No idea why I didn't 
experience this yesterday when I tested this.  What was strange is that 
when I restarted BOINC manually, it came up instantly on both machines 
and the event log timing showed it had actually restarted on the 
reboot...and was apparently already running (without the system try 
icon).  After I forced the BOINC launch, the system tray icon reappeared 
and everything seems fine.

By the way, I'm also testing the Mac BOINC version 7.8.0 on a machine 
running MacOS Sierra 10.12.16 (Beta Release 5) with no problems so far.

Art Masson




On 7/3/2017 6:16 PM, Art Masson wrote:
>
> I had a heck of a time getting Windows 10 Creator to load on this 
> machine.  The problem ultimately was that my Windows "system reserved 
> partition" was only 100MB and was full/too small.  After I increased 
> the hidden partition size, Windows 10 Creator upgrade run 
> successfully.  However, I don't think my upgrade problems are directly 
> replaced to the "disappearing icon" issue.  I did see this problem 
> consistently on another machine which had the previous version  of 
> Windows 10 on it -- where I had to manually restart BOINC each time 
> the machine started or rebooted.  I had done some research on the 
> "startup" problem with applications on Windows 10, so frankly I've 
> assumed that the problem was fixed in the latest release.  However 
> I've not upgraded the machine where I had the problem (will not be 
> back home until next week to try it).  Sorry I don't have more info, 
> but the Windows 10 fails to startup application problem was referenced 
> I believe (see link) and the various fixed suggested never worked for 
> me..some apps started but some did not...
>
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-performance/windows-10-programs-do-not-launch/bae62ab1-b938-4c71-bfce-d5f1ee170f8f
>
> Not sure if this is related to the problem or a blind alley.  When I 
> get back home, I will confirm this behavior on my other Windows 10 
> machine, then do the Creator upgrade and see if the launch problem 
> resolves itself.  I do not have this problem on this machine running 
> Windows 10 Creator -- but then I don't think I ever saw that "launch" 
> problem on this machine either...
>
> Sorry I can't be of more help
> Art Masson
>
>
> On 7/3/2017 5:36 PM, David Anderson wrote:
>> Rom:
>> Any ideas on how to debug this problem?
>> -- David
>>
>> On 7/3/2017 2:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote:
>>>
>>> This doesn't make sense to me. I had the problems with Windows 10 
>>> Creator’s update, and continue to have problems with Windows 10 
>>> Insider builds newer than that. My hunch is that Art has a scenario 
>>> that masks/hides the issue. I still show it as broken.
>>>
>>> *From: *David Anderson 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 3, 2017 5:14 PM
>>> *To: *Art Masson ; boinc_alpha email 
>>> list 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray 
>>> (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Jacob Klein, is this compatible with what you're seeing?
>>> -- D
>>>
>>> On 7/3/2017 11:23 AM, Art Masson wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I've just tested this with BOINC 7.8.0 and the application starts 
>>> correctly when
>>> > Windows reboots or starts up on my machine.  From my standpoint 
>>> this incorrect
>>> > behavior appears to have been fixed with Windows 10 Creators 
>>> release and was not a
>>> > BOINC application problem.
>>> >
>>> > Art Masson
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 7/3/2017 12:04 PM, Art Masson wrote:
>>> >> REF: Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2)  Requiring 
>>> Manual Restart on
>>> >> Boot-Up
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi...I'm not seeing this problem with BOINC 7.7.2 now that I've 
>>> upgraded to
>>> >> Windows 10 Creators version (10.00.15063.00) (newest release).  I 
>>> did see this
>>> >> problem with 7.7.2 and 7.6.33 with the previous Windows 10 release
>>> >> (10.00.14393.00).  This appeared to be a problem with Windows 
>>> startup actions
>>> >> because there were other apps that didn't start as well with the 
>>> older Windows 10
>>> >> release -- this was a

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-04 Thread Art Masson 
WowI stand corrected.  This morning I restarted two machines running 
Windows 10 Creator and BOINC 7.8.0.  Both machines experienced the 
"disappearing" icon in the system tray problem. No idea why I didn't 
experience this yesterday when I tested this.  What was strange is that 
when I restarted BOINC manually, it came up instantly on both machines 
and the event log timing showed it had actually restarted on the 
reboot...and was apparently already running (without the system try 
icon).  After I forced the BOINC launch, the system tray icon reappeared 
and everything seems fine.


By the way, I'm also testing the Mac BOINC version 7.8.0 on a machine 
running MacOS Sierra 10.12.16 (Beta Release 5) with no problems so far.


Art Masson




On 7/3/2017 6:16 PM, Art Masson wrote:


I had a heck of a time getting Windows 10 Creator to load on this 
machine.  The problem ultimately was that my Windows "system reserved 
partition" was only 100MB and was full/too small.  After I increased 
the hidden partition size, Windows 10 Creator upgrade run 
successfully.  However, I don't think my upgrade problems are directly 
replaced to the "disappearing icon" issue.   I did see this problem 
consistently on another machine which had the previous version  of 
Windows 10 on it -- where I had to manually restart BOINC each time 
the machine started or rebooted.  I had done some research on the 
"startup" problem with applications on Windows 10, so frankly I've 
assumed that the problem was fixed in the latest release.  However 
I've not upgraded the machine where I had the problem (will not be 
back home until next week to try it).  Sorry I don't have more info, 
but the Windows 10 fails to startup application problem was referenced 
I believe (see link) and the various fixed suggested never worked for 
me..some apps started but some did not...


https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-performance/windows-10-programs-do-not-launch/bae62ab1-b938-4c71-bfce-d5f1ee170f8f

Not sure if this is related to the problem or a blind alley.  When I 
get back home, I will confirm this behavior on my other Windows 10 
machine, then do the Creator upgrade and see if the launch problem 
resolves itself.  I do not have this problem on this machine running 
Windows 10 Creator -- but then I don't think I ever saw that "launch" 
problem on this machine either...


Sorry I can't be of more help
Art Masson


On 7/3/2017 5:36 PM, David Anderson wrote:

Rom:
Any ideas on how to debug this problem?
-- David

On 7/3/2017 2:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote:


This doesn't make sense to me. I had the problems with Windows 10 
Creator’s update, and continue to have problems with Windows 10 
Insider builds newer than that. My hunch is that Art has a scenario 
that masks/hides the issue. I still show it as broken.


*From: *David Anderson 
*Sent: *Monday, July 3, 2017 5:14 PM
*To: *Art Masson ; boinc_alpha email 
list 
*Subject: *Re: [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray 
(7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up


Thanks.
Jacob Klein, is this compatible with what you're seeing?
-- D

On 7/3/2017 11:23 AM, Art Masson wrote:
>
> I've just tested this with BOINC 7.8.0 and the application starts 
correctly when
> Windows reboots or starts up on my machine.  From my standpoint 
this incorrect
> behavior appears to have been fixed with Windows 10 Creators 
release and was not a

> BOINC application problem.
>
> Art Masson
>
>
>
> On 7/3/2017 12:04 PM, Art Masson wrote:
>> REF: Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2)  Requiring 
Manual Restart on

>> Boot-Up
>>
>> Hi...I'm not seeing this problem with BOINC 7.7.2 now that I've 
upgraded to
>> Windows 10 Creators version (10.00.15063.00) (newest release).  I 
did see this

>> problem with 7.7.2 and 7.6.33 with the previous Windows 10 release
>> (10.00.14393.00).  This appeared to be a problem with Windows 
startup actions
>> because there were other apps that didn't start as well with the 
older Windows 10
>> release -- this was a known problem apparently.I have not 
tried with 7.8 yet.

>>
>> Art Masson
>>
>>
>
> --

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Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up

2017-07-03 Thread David Anderson 

Rom:
Any ideas on how to debug this problem?
-- David

On 7/3/2017 2:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote:


This doesn't make sense to me. I had the problems with Windows 10 Creator’s 
update, and continue to have problems with Windows 10 Insider builds newer than 
that. My hunch is that Art has a scenario that masks/hides the issue. I still show 
it as broken.


*From: *David Anderson 
*Sent: *Monday, July 3, 2017 5:14 PM
*To: *Art Masson ; boinc_alpha email list 

*Subject: *Re: [boinc_alpha] Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2) 
Requiring Manual Restart on Boot-Up


Thanks.
Jacob Klein, is this compatible with what you're seeing?
-- D

On 7/3/2017 11:23 AM, Art Masson wrote:
>
> I've just tested this with BOINC 7.8.0 and the application starts correctly 
when
> Windows reboots or starts up on my machine.  From my standpoint this incorrect
> behavior appears to have been fixed with Windows 10 Creators release and was 
not a
> BOINC application problem.
>
> Art Masson
>
>
>
> On 7/3/2017 12:04 PM, Art Masson wrote:
>> REF: Disappearing BOINC Icon in System Tray (7.7.2)  Requiring Manual 
Restart on
>> Boot-Up
>>
>> Hi...I'm not seeing this problem with BOINC 7.7.2 now that I've upgraded to
>> Windows 10 Creators version (10.00.15063.00) (newest release).  I did see 
this
>> problem with 7.7.2 and 7.6.33 with the previous Windows 10 release
>> (10.00.14393.00).  This appeared to be a problem with Windows startup actions
>> because there were other apps that didn't start as well with the older 
Windows 10
>> release -- this was a known problem apparently. I have not tried with 7.8 
yet.
>>
>> Art Masson
>>
>>
>
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