Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-27 Thread Danny McPherson
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Against my better judgement... A few opinions I figured I'd share. Regarding the cited article and the idea that ISPs charging for Managed Security Service is ballsy, you should re-read it. All your arguments are about

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-25 Thread Ɓukasz Bromirski
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Richard Cox wrote: To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- On 24/09/2007 17:24:47, Peter Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off hand, does anyone maintain a list of vendors/network-devices

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-24 Thread Richard Cox
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- On 24/09/2007 17:24:47, Peter Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off hand, does anyone maintain a list of vendors/network-devices that support anything similar to the drop-project? (Other than what is listed on the site to

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread Paul Ferguson
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- John Fraizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a lot going on in the shadows to combat botnets and other miscreant activities that most folks don't have credentials to know

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread J. Oquendo
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --John Fraizer wrote: OK. If a service provider (ISP/MSP/*SP) is buying bandwidth based on data transferred vs raw line rate of the transport medium, there are two words to describe that provider: Mom Pop. It is just that

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J. Oquendo wrote: You're right I should have posted about Peakflow, I've spoken I've dealt with Sunil James in hopes I could create an open source protection script based off

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread Jonathan Yarden
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.infiltrated.net/?p=29 Although this seems to be yet another conspiracy theorist hard at work, there are some interesting issues raised. Not the least of which is why is it that network equipment manufacturers are

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Yarden wrote: To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.infiltrated.net/?p=29 Although this seems to be yet another

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J. Oquendo wrote: John Fraizer wrote: Access to ATLAS data is limited to ATLAS partners for multiple reasons, not the least of which being preventing the miscreants from

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread J. Oquendo
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --John Fraizer wrote: Carrier grade routers are designed to route (or switch in the case of MPLS) packets at line-rate. When you start applying ACLs, the performance hit is not trivial - especially when you've got interfaces

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J. Oquendo wrote: John Fraizer wrote: Carrier grade routers are designed to route (or switch in the case of MPLS) packets at line-rate. When you start applying ACLs, the

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread PinkFreud
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 10:02:32PM +, John Fraizer babbled thus: *snip* Again, there is no silver bullet. It is *NOT* the responsibility of the providers to force safe computing down the throat of their customers. I

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread James Pleger
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --I don't think that ISPs are going to care until there is a business model that will make them money(or save it) and not cost them a bunch of money/staff overhead. It costs a great deal to staff an abuse department that knows

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread Paul Ferguson
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- James Pleger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that ISPs are going to care until there is a business model that will make them money(or save it) and not cost them a

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 PinkFreud wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 10:02:32PM +, John Fraizer babbled thus: *snip* Again, there is no silver bullet. It is *NOT* the responsibility of the