At 07:04 PM 1/15/04, Bryon Daly wrote:
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 04:08 PM 1/15/04, Bryon Daly wrote:
When I first read Bush's proposal, one of the first things that struck
me was that it seems to be far too little new money, and far too little time,
It took only 8 years from
At 06:32 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote:
On Thursday 2004-01-15 16:28, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
spaceship is the Crew Exploration Vehicle? How inspiring!
Less inspiring than, frex, Lunar Module?
The name doesn't even make sense.
Who cares?
Will the task of the vehicle be to explore the
In a message dated 1/15/2004 11:55:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everything I'm trying to do by way of numbers, is to make Alvin filthy
rich
whether or not he really wants to be so.
William Taylor
Why?
You want the short answer or the summary of
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In a message dated 1/16/2004 12:01:10 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, but I believe that to have been a crash program,
NOT an appropriate term to use wrt aerospace . . .
And Bill Dana will sue for copyright infringement.
William Taylor
At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote:
On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Snip
_That's_ what's inspiring about it.
Who cares if its inspiring?
Look I was raised to be a liberal.
I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor
sick folk. (Heck,
http://www.calpundit.com/archives/003024.html
BLACK IS WHITE, UP IS DOWNVia Chris Mooney, I see that the Bush
administration assault on science is alive and well. Here's the story:
Congress mandates that HHS produce an annual report on healthcare
disparities related to race and poverty. The
When the administration announces grand plans for manned space programs i
FEEL
proud, excited, and--yes--even inspired.
And that feeling immediately makes me suspicious. Is this fiscally
responsible? Is it rational? I think, no, I *KNOW* that basing public
policy on emotion IS
On Friday 2004-01-16 00:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/15/2004 11:55:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everything I'm trying to do by way of numbers, is to make Alvin filthy
rich
whether or not he really wants to be so.
William
On Friday 2004-01-16 02:32, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote:
On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Um. I thought I was pretty clear. I HAVE given up on the social
programs.
Let me make sure I understand you correctly. You have given up on
http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/735/1/1/
VeriSign to Run EPC Directory
EPCglobal has awarded the company a contract to manage the system for
looking up information related to Electronic Product Codes.
Jan. 13, 2004EPCglobal, the organization that is commercializing
Electronic
And I think that, given the government's record on social issues (the
housing projects of the Sixties, frex, or the education issues I
mentioned), putting the government in charge of more of them would be
really bad public policy. Most people feel better and do better when they
are in
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3400429.stm
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er
Peer Review Plan Draws Criticism
Under Bush Proposal, OMB Would Evaluate Science Before New Rules Take
Effect
By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, January 15, 2004; Page A19
A number of leading
From CNN Quick News this morning (Fri 16 Jan):
HOON UNDER FIRE FROM UK WAR WIDOW
The UK's defense secretary has expressed regret for the death in Iraq of a
British soldier ordered to hand back his body armor because of an equipment
shortage.
At 04:21 AM 1/16/04, Trent Shipley wrote:
On Friday 2004-01-16 02:32, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote:
On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Um. I thought I was pretty clear. I HAVE given up on the social
programs.
Let me make sure I
No. I have given up on social programs and think
the government should spend
little or no money on them. I think that if someone
with no money shows up
in an emergency room they should get no treatment
even if this means that the
person dies.
Wow. So if I get into a car accident,
Trent Shipley wrote:
Good. So you do not care that the Alpha Centuri colony is Class-A, or
are you proposing that is it Class-B?
It could be anything. Probably a world in _far_ worse shape than
any other, but not a dead world like Mars or Venus.
Please tell me more about the Alpha Centuri
At 05:49 AM 1/16/04, The Fool wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3400429.stm
For some reason this page won't load. Can you give us a summary?
-- Ronn! :)
The contents of this message © 2004 by the author. All rights
reserved. Any reproduction, redistribution,
At 08:49 AM 1/16/04, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Ok, the _technical_ names of the stars that make up the Alpha Centauri
system are Alpha Centauri A [the Sun-like star], Alpha Centauri B
[almost Sun-like, but smaller; it's still in the spectral class that usually
is considered fit to have Earth-like
I am starting to think that it might be a full-time job to keep
debunking the daily lies spewed forth by The Fool on brin-l.
At any rate, The Washington Post reports today that President Bush
(whom The Fool disrespects as Shrub) had nothing to do with this
law passed by the IGC. Indeed,
The problem with space travel is money. The cost of reaching low
earth orbit from the surface of the earth needs to drop by a factor
of 20 or more.
At the moment, space flight is expensive and has few users:
* the military: long range artillery, espionage, weather forecasting,
From: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 05:49 AM 1/16/04, The Fool wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3400429.stm
For some reason this page won't load. Can you give us a summary?
I don't generally go to pages without any sort of indication what
they
In a message dated 1/16/2004 3:04:47 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The book cannot be nothing other than a success.
Thereby pissing off all the septs of Jijo. In terms of GIM legal action
the
point is moot, but the Hoon will NOT be amused when Alvin
John,
I believe we had already discussion wrt the Fool's
posting habits. I had thought that maybe he had
learned something, but I was wrong. Although I have no
love for either Bush or the Republican party (I will
most likely vote against him, and I'm a registered
Democrat), I also try to be
Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked
Exactly how realistic a proposal was Apollo on 25 May 1961?
Fairly realistic. Not only were many of the technical details worked
out in the 1940s and 1950s, but the US started development of the
large rocket engines used by the Saturn boosters in the
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bryon Daly wrote:
I think Manned Exploration Vehicle would make more sense, but
Easterbrook's just nitpicking here.
Crewed would be better than Crew. Except Crewed sounds exactly
like Crude.
Yeah, that's why I went with Manned, instead of Crewed (crude).
From: Kevin Tarr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Didn't someone send out a list of 4000 books a few years ago? John
Horn?
Nope, not me. Someone generated a huge list and several people
volunteered to go through them and rate the ones they read. I was
one of the volunteers. But as I recall, that
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ronn!Blankenship
No Buck Rogers == no bucks. As someone else here has already
said, the
taxpayers aren't going to get excited about spending billions just
to get a
piece of asteroid.
Space exploration is probably the best way to inprove our economy.
Nearly
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be treated.
Open access to emergency medicine is the back door is basically a disguised
form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent people to take on your
charity case whether they want to or not.
On Friday 2004-01-16 07:03, Damon Agretto
--- Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be
treated.
Open access to emergency medicine is the back door
is basically a disguised
form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent
people to take on your
charity case whether they want to or
On Friday 2004-01-16 13:16, Damon Agretto wrote:
--- Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be
treated.
Open access to emergency medicine is the back door
is basically a disguised
form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent
people to
At 02:49 PM 1/16/04, Trent Shipley wrote:
On Friday 2004-01-16 13:16, Damon Agretto wrote:
--- Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be
treated.
Open access to emergency medicine is the back door
is basically a disguised
form of socialized
From: iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am starting to think that it might be a full-time job to keep
debunking the daily lies spewed forth by The Fool on brin-l.
At any rate, The Washington Post reports today that President Bush
(whom The Fool disrespects as Shrub) had nothing to do with
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 08:16:15PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'm biased, but I would guess that even an unbiased person would be
convinced by Dan's data before they were convinced by your rhetoric.
I'll also state for the record that, while we all make mistakes, Dan's
data is usually
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
It's too good of a pun to ignore. If our good Dr. Brin didn't plan it from
the start,
then it beats the record of no one at first recognizing that RU-486 was a bad
pun.
(Are you for 86ing the fetus?)
...
Maybe. I was always more impressed with the
Ronn! wrote:
Why do you believe that being a taxpayer -- by which I am presuming you
mean having an income, owning property, etc., so that you are subject to
taxation -- is simply a matter of luck?
Well isn't it at least partly due to luck? If I was born to a crack Mom,
I'd say that the
Obviously it is only a start. The converse of No bucks = No Buck Rogers
is also true. Open your mind, man. And your heart.
Open your eyes, man. And your brain. You're taking the wish for the deed.
Bush is infamous for propsing things that sound nice, so he can some nice
publicity, and
On Friday 2004-01-16 09:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/16/2004 3:04:47 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The book cannot be nothing other than a success.
Thereby pissing off all the septs of Jijo. In terms of GIM legal action
the
point is
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 12:40:48PM -0600, Horn, John wrote:
From: Kevin Tarr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Didn't someone send out a list of 4000 books a few years ago? John
Horn?
Nope, not me. Someone generated a huge list and several people
volunteered to go through them and rate the
Ronn Blankenship wrote:
Ok, the _technical_ names of the stars that make up the Alpha Centauri
system are Alpha Centauri A [the Sun-like star], Alpha Centauri B
[almost Sun-like, but smaller; it's still in the spectral class that
usually is considered fit to have Earth-like planets] and Alpha
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
* An air-augmented chemical rocket. Currently, rockets carry all
the oxygen they need with them. An air-augmented chemical rocket
operates part of the time as a ram jet, taking in oxygen from the
atmosphere. This reduces the mass of oxidizer the
Ok, the _technical_ names of the stars that make up the Alpha Centauri
system are Alpha Centauri A [the Sun-like star], Alpha Centauri B
[almost Sun-like, but smaller; it's still in the spectral class that usually
is considered fit to have Earth-like planets] and Alpha Centauri C aka
Proxima
In a message dated 1/16/2004 10:55:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Bob Z., you asked me a little bit ago to provide you an
example of
hypocrisy. I believe that I have just done so.
Ah but John I asked you explicitly to give an example that was politically neurtral
In a message dated 1/16/2004 5:17:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Unfortunately, the legal aspect is only half the problem with Alvin's book.
The bigger and more intractable problem would be PR.
-- Jophur and the like would have strongly *suspected* Humans
At 01:49 PM 1/16/2004 -0700 Trent Shipley wrote:
I can think of only a few objective reasons why the commonwealth should
provide subsidies to ne'er do wells like myself.
What a Nietschian hell
The answer, of course, is that every human life is precious... and indeed,
in your ow terms, every
At 07:13 PM 1/16/2004 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you really buy into this, you're being taken. Bush and his people are
chortling at your credulity. Man, can you believe they bought this?
A-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah!
Actually, I'm quite sure that Bush is laughing at you.
JDG
At 04:09 PM 1/16/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Well isn't it at least partly due to luck? If I was born to a crack Mom,
I'd say that the cards had been stacked against me, wouldn't you. Now we
do live in a society that allows for the possibility that anyone can
overcome their bad luck, but
On Friday 2004-01-16 18:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/16/2004 5:17:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Unfortunately, the legal aspect is only half the problem with Alvin's
book.
The bigger and more intractable problem would be PR.
--
On Friday 2004-01-16 18:30, John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 01:49 PM 1/16/2004 -0700 Trent Shipley wrote:
I can think of only a few objective reasons why the commonwealth should
provide subsidies to ne'er do wells like myself.
What a Nietschian hell
Exactly! Libertarian paradise, Social
Earth is on a hot streak
http://www.bio.aps.anl.gov/~dgore/marsscorecard.html
JDG
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it
At 08:16 PM 1/15/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'll also state for the record that, while we all make mistakes, Dan's
data is usually pretty solid, and I can remember a few instances when he
was mistaken and owned up to it. I don't think fast-and-loose describes
his use of facts at all.
At 07:51 PM 1/15/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
John wrote:
JDG - And did I mention that apparently I support lying to and deceiving
the American public too?
I'm sorry that you took my comments personally.
Thank you.For what it is worth, I did not take your comments at all
nearly as
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 02:49 PM 1/16/04, Trent Shipley wrote:
On Friday 2004-01-16 13:16, Damon Agretto wrote:
--- Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be
treated.
Open access to emergency medicine is the
In a message dated 1/16/2004 7:17:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You might be onto something with the Jophur. I can't remember if any made
it
back to Civilization with info about Jijo. I think Brin arranged it so
they
didn't.
Harry's ship arrived
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
And it's not as if the West Virginians have the
excuse
that he was running agaist Edwards, either.
hybrid grin-mace
Did I mention that my mom (my folks were living in
Louisiana at that time) slapped a bumper-sticker on
her car that read
http://www.nylawyer.com/news/04/01/011504h.html
Bar Group Sells Mailing List of Thousands of Lawyers to Neo-Nazis
New York Lawyer
January 15, 2004
By Julie Kay
Miami Daily Business Review
The Florida Bar is under fire for selling its mailing list and labels
to a neo-Nazi group that sent
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hybrid grin-mace
Did I mention that my mom (my folks were living in
Louisiana at that time) slapped a bumper-sticker on
her car that read
Well, I don't know what it said, but I'm willing to
guess it was some variation of Vote for the Crook!
It's
http://www.space.com/news/bush_plan_faq_040115.html#ship
President Bush's Jan. 14 speech painted broad brushstrokes of his plan
to put humans back on the Moon and send them to Mars. He will depend
on NASA and a new commission to sketch in the details.
The information below includes the opinions
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040116/D8044KNG0.html
Bush Installs Pickering on Appeals Court
Jan 16, 3:32 PM (ET)
By TERENCE HUNT
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush bypassed Congress and installed Charles
Pickering on the federal appeals court Friday, opening an election-year
fight
Trent, do you at least agree with the idea that books actually published as
books have an environmental surtax, and also a higer royalty to the author
than a book only published electronically.
In our world or in Uplift? (Galactics *ONLY* publish books electronically.)
(It's a fad to read
Actually, I'm quite sure that Bush is laughing at you.
Let him. The man's such a worthless buffoon, I take that as a badge of honor.
At least he's not fooling ME.
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr
At 07:00 PM 1/16/2004 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
And it's not as if the West Virginians have the
excuse
that he was running agaist Edwards, either.
hybrid grin-mace
Did I mention that my mom (my folks were living in
Louisiana at that time)
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nick Arnett wrote:
That makes sense. To what extent do you regard
conservatives, as a
generalization, as male-dominated?
In all honesty none.
I can say with a clear conscience that I have
never ever
http://www.au.org/churchstate/04-01-feature1.htm
Extreme Evangelism How Fundamentalist Preachers Are Using Pizza,
Motorcycles And Even Santa Claus To Convert Public School Students - And
What You Can Do About It
by Rob Boston
Robert J. Marsh was surprised last October to see a notice from a
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From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry
At 07:00 PM 1/16/2004 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 1/16/2004 8:27:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Trent, do you at least agree with the idea that books actually published
as
books have an environmental surtax, and also a higer royalty to the
author
than a book only published electronically.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1123361,00.html
Leaked letters reveal plot to split US church
A letter, written within the past fortnight by a senior American
dissident pastor to like-minded parishes, details how the dismantling of
the US Episcopal church can be achieved. Marked
How odd! My original message somehow was truncated!
Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
And it's not as if the West Virginians have the
excuse
that he was running agaist Edwards, either.
hybrid grin-mace
Did I mention that my mom
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Well, I don't know what it said, but I'm willing to
guess it was some variation of Vote for the Crook!
It's Important which, as I recall, was popular at
the time.
Bingo! It's rather grim - or hysterically comical -
when your choice for
Robert J. Chassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snipping nearly all
As for inexpensive earth to orbit travel: there are
two obvious ways to achieve this:
* A nuclear thermal rocketThe problem with
nuclear thermal rockets is two fold. Firstly,
the current designs always put some
Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be
treated.
Open access to emergency medicine is the back door
is basically a disguised
form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent
people to take on
On Friday 2004-01-16 07:49, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
Good. So you do not care that the Alpha Centuri colony is Class-A, or
are you proposing that is it Class-B?
It could be anything. Probably a world in _far_ worse shape than
any other, but not a dead world like
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