At 12:19 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
4!
No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4
The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so.
Alberto Monteiro
Wouldn't that be equal to L(11)?
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At 02:35 PM Monday 4/11/2005, William T Goodall wrote:
Renewed for 2nd season.
Why do they keep saying only five episodes left to solve her best friend's
murder, then?
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On 13 Apr 2005, at 9:46 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:35 PM Monday 4/11/2005, William T Goodall wrote:
Renewed for 2nd season.
Why do they keep saying only five episodes left to solve her best
friend's murder, then?
Because she's going to be solving some *other* season-long mystery in
On 5 Apr 2005, at 2:59 pm, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:48:50 +0100, William T Goodall wrote
But the fundamentalists are the fastest growing Christian sects.
I see this as part of a trend that goes far beyond Christianity and
far beyond
religion. Fundamentalism of all sorts is on the
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
4!
No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4
The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so.
I was taking it to mean what is 24?
And the answer to that question is 4*3*2*1, among other things :)
Julia
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:59:15 +0100, William T Goodall wrote
I think there is room for a twelve-step theology that weans people
off religion and helps them fend off its malign and pernicious
influence thereafter.
That would be, um, difficult, since 12-step programs are spiritual in nature.
At 10:25 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
4!
No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4
The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so.
I was taking it to mean what is 24?
And the answer to that question is 4*3*2*1,
* Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
4!
No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4
The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so.
I was taking it to mean what is 24?
And the answer to that question is
On Apr 12, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But, the words actually do mean different things. Let me make two
statements I consider true about Iraq and one that I consider false.
true
The actions of Hussein against his own people were unjustifiable
On Apr 13, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:59:15 +0100, William T Goodall wrote
I think there is room for a twelve-step theology that weans people
off religion and helps them fend off its malign and pernicious
influence thereafter.
That would be, um, difficult, since
China really is greatly increasing its demand for foreign oil, thus
becoming a major factor in global demand, which in turn is starting to
outpace production, thus resulting in a price increase.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/china.html
China was the world's second largest consumer of
As Steve said,
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six
years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set
up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established
a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat
technologies, and even casts of
That was an excellent article (perhaps a bit biased against the
police, but with that 91% statistic, it is hard not to be) that makes
clear a few points with a real world example.
1. The transparentness needs to be accessible to all.
2. The accounts need to have built in an audit trail (to avoid
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:29:04 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote
Often, yeah. Higher Power and all that. IIRC the AA programs end
with The Lord's Prayer too.
Typically, but there are many meetings that use the Serenity Prayer to
accomodate people who are uncomfortable with one particular religion's
Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
much snippage
(BTW, has anyone else noted the irony that Bush and
his cohort blather
on about erring on the side of life while at the
same time sweeping
the Iraq debacle -- which has cost thousands of
civilian, innocent
lives -- under the rug?
At 11:21 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 10:25 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
4!
No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4
The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so.
I was taking it to mean
It dawned on me the other day that as we've talked about the costs of war
lately, one cost that never was mentioned was all the cuts that are being made
in education, health care and so forth as a result of the financial cost of
the war. It's hard to see where those were figured into any
At 11:23 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Erik Reuter wrote:
* Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
4!
No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4
The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so.
I was taking it to mean what is
At 12:06 PM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
I don't see a difference, at least not a functional one, between the
statements The Iraq war is unjustifiable and the *debate-style*
Resolved: The Iraq war is unjustifiable. Discuss.
How about, In my personal opinion, the Iraq war is
Applying opportunity costs to something like government spending on
war is a great way to use a bunch of unknowns to prove your side of
the argument. Unfortunately it will not be of much use to someone who
disagrees with the basic cost/benefit analysis of the war in the first
place.
Any benefit
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
2. Many times it seems to me that 12-step programs really substitute one
addiction (to [substance]) for another (to the program).
This doesn't really solve the problem. It doesn't strike at the root,
the source of the addiction. It simply replaces one behavior with
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:21 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 10:25 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
4!
No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4
The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so.
I
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:48:29 -0700, John DeBudge wrote
Applying opportunity costs to something like government spending on
war is a great way to use a bunch of unknowns to prove your side of
the argument. Unfortunately it will not be of much use to someone who
disagrees with the basic
If the Iraqi government had waited until it had nuclear weapons,
Iraq might well have become the first country since 1945 to
annex all of another country successfully (country as recognized
by the UN as a 1648 `Treaty of Westfalia' type of country, not
as a `protocol
On Apr 13, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:06 PM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
I don't see a difference, at least not a functional one, between the
statements The Iraq war is unjustifiable and the *debate-style*
Resolved: The Iraq war is unjustifiable. Discuss.
How
... do you assume the universal veracity of the adage, Power
corrupts?
I don't know whether the characteristic is universal, but fear that
under any circumstances corruptable people will gain power within
three generations and most likely sooner.
Worse, people do tend to focus on tests
The trouble I have with 12-step programs is twofold. ...
1. The Admit you are powerless clause, particularly in
conjunction with the Higher Power idea.
30 or 40 years ago, Charles Hampden-Turner (in, I think, The Delancy
Street Asylum) said, if I remember rightly, that many people
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
That should read 2500!
, which, with iirc 7412 digits,
Yes, 2500! = 1.628 10^7411 has 7412 digits, but 500 of
them are zeroes
Alberto Monteiro
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At 02:51 PM 4/13/2005 -0700, Nick wrote:
It dawned on me the other day that as we've talked about the costs of war
lately, one cost that never was mentioned was all the cuts that are being
made
in education, health care and so forth as a result of the financial cost of
the war. It's hard to
At 05:51 PM 4/9/2005 -0400, Damon Agretto wrote:
I believe that USA vs. England in 1775 and again in 1812 would both qualify
as well?
Perhaps. There's more mitigating circumstances, though. In 1775, while the
US was independently pursuing war for a time, in the end the French
alliance was
- Original Message -
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
But, they are very different opinionsone claims that the
Dan Minette wrote:
Well, if you honestly feel that you are capable enough to set the standards
to know that a Soro's fellow working in international relations is making
unreasonable arguements that are impossible to support, I guess you need to
say that. But, I guess I am not as convinced by my
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
Dan Minette wrote:
Well, if you honestly feel that you are
On 4/14/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 02:51 PM 4/13/2005 -0700, Nick wrote:
It dawned on me the other day that as we've talked about the costs of war
lately, one cost that never was mentioned was all the cuts that are being
made
in education, health care and so forth as a result of the
Dan Minette wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
Dan Minette wrote:
Well, if you honestly feel
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:20:57 -0400, JDG wrote
Whether or not another project has benefits that
exceed its costs by a greater amount, doesn't really factor into the
analysis.
I'm not sure if you are saying that the impact on the U.S. economy and the
poorest among us should not have been
At 10:14 AM 4/12/2005 -0400, Bob Chassell wrote:
JDG wrote
... let's consider a reasonable definition of the US's friends as
being those countries with which the US has a formal Alliance ...
Of the 32 or so of these ...
That fails to provide much legitimacy. It is the same argument
At 08:05 PM 4/13/2005 -0700, Nick wrote:
Whether or not another project has benefits that
exceed its costs by a greater amount, doesn't really factor into the
analysis.
I'm not sure if you are saying that the impact on the U.S. economy and the
poorest among us should not have been taken
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 02:56:13 +, Maru Dubshinki wrote
JDG, I get the sense that Nick is trying to asses the Iraq war from a
utilitarian perspective- seeking the greatest good for the greatest
number- but is trying to articulate this question economically (where
you are probably right about
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Opportunity costs of war
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:20:57 -0400, JDG wrote
Whether or not another project has benefits that
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:09:30 -0400, JDG wrote
On the other hand, if a given amount of government spending on the
war has greater benefits to the country than costs, once again, by
all means that spending should be undertaken.
As I think about this, I'm having a hard time applying
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Opportunity costs of war
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:09:30 -0400, JDG wrote
On the other hand, if a given amount of government
On Apr 13, 2005, at 8:20 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:09:30 -0400, JDG wrote
On the other hand, if a given amount of government spending on the
war has greater benefits to the country than costs, once again, by
all means that spending should be undertaken.
As I think about this,
At 08:20 PM 4/13/2005 -0700, Nick wrote:
On the other hand, if a given amount of government spending on the
war has greater benefits to the country than costs, once again, by
all means that spending should be undertaken.
As I think about this, I'm having a hard time applying cost-benefit
On Apr 13, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But, they are very different opinionsone claims that the people
one is
differing with are ignorant, unable or unwilling to use reason, or of
ill
will; while the other is a statement about one's own best
On Apr 13, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
2. Many times it seems to me that 12-step programs really substitute
one addiction (to [substance]) for another (to the program).
This doesn't really solve the problem. It doesn't strike at the root,
the source of the
On Apr 13, 2005, at 6:08 PM, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
The trouble I have with 12-step programs is twofold. ...
1. The Admit you are powerless clause, particularly in
conjunction with the Higher Power idea.
30 or 40 years ago, Charles Hampden-Turner (in, I think, The Delancy
Street
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