On May 18, 2005, at 10:45 PM, Robert Neil Diamond Sutra Seeberger
wrote:
It seems to me that a lot of Dan's concern is based in the
extremes --
the fringes, the things which happen rarely if ever, but which (to
him
at the very least) seem to pose some serious ethical or moral
questions.
If so,
On a more personal note, I'm mentoring someone now whose existence was,
at one point, very much in question. Fourteen and some years ago, his
mother was advised to abort, because she'd had a couple kids by then,
they were enough to deal with, she was unwed, his bio. father was
undependable,
Just out of curiosity, am I a rarity in suggesting -- as an atheist --
the meaning of things based in an assumption both of no god/s *and* of
god/s?
That is, when I say, If there is a god or gods... am I being weird
according to atheist canon? Am I guilty of antiatheistical heresy?
I mean,
It seems we have more nattering ninnies! But a new breed, cowardly
whiners who only can whine when their victim can't read them! We have
known for a while that Brin-L is full of passive-agressives who whine
constantly while running sneaky attacks on people behind their backs. In
case anyone
On May 19, 2005, at 1:26 AM, Kevin Street wrote:
Is this some kind of subtle parody?
It might very well be.
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On May 19, 2005, at 12:42 AM, I wrote:
He said, joking, Was I worth it?
My answer, immediate, was yes.
Yes.
To amplify, in the picosecond between his question and my answer, every
torment I had ever lived, every horror I had endured, every bullying
I'd ever faced was forgotten.
In the space of
At 10:11 AM 5/18/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
However, I could find similar copies of the bill. This exception
suffers from several flaws. It is limited to situations where the
woman's life is endangered by a physical disorder, illness or
injury. This language excludes some life-threatening
At 10:30 AM 5/18/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
The courts have essentially decided that this is a fact. That is the
foundation of Roe vs. Wade. But, I hope you can see how I'm troubled that
the order of actions by someone else, not one's own state, determines
one's
humaness.
I think that
At 10:44 AM 5/18/2005 -0700, Warren wrote:
Dan, you seem to be of the sense that almost any excuse can be
developed for a late-term abortion; it appears that Gary is of the
opinion that this is not a correct interpretation of current abortion
legislation.
Clarigication: Gary is of the opinion
At 09:47 PM 5/18/2005 EDT, Bob wrote:
The problem there is that your reasoning does not reduce. There is a
distinct difference between, say, a blastocyst and an infant. The
question is not even when the zygote becomes human. The question is
what human actually means.
If the answer is
On Wed, 18 May 2005 19:04:22 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote
The attempted genocide (alleged, to be fair) of American aborigines
in the 19th Century was possibly acceptable to many in the context
of its time...
and
The concept itself is rooted in the idea of a deity, of course,
which is an
On Thu, 19 May 2005 01:12:24 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote
That is, when I say, If there is a god or gods... am I being weird
according to atheist canon? Am I guilty of antiatheistical heresy?
Probably, since faith by definition is uncertain of the existence or nature of
God.
You're going to
On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:42:54 -0400, JDG wrote
The Catholic Church has it that every sperm is sacred.
This is a false statement. I am quite familiar with Catholic
teaching, and I do not believe that you can find a single Church
document supporting that position. Indeed, the above
On 19 May 2005, at 3:03 pm, Nick Arnett wrote:
I'm a bit surprised to find that I believe that in this very
important sense
no religion is more or less likely to do good. Nonetheless, it
seems to me
that because religious institutions are human inventions, each has
an equal
ability to
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Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 18, 2005, at 9:26 PM,
At 11:02 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
Wasn't the middle finger the one that was stiffened in the astronauts'
gloves for pushing buttons, as well?
Yes.
-- Ronn! :)
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Incidentally, this thread is still missing a few
countries from the Axis of Eggheads.
If you are waiting for me to chime in...
my momma taught me not to go near
wild things that are frothing at the mouth
Dee
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At 03:26 AM Thursday 5/19/2005, Kevin Street wrote:
Is this some kind of subtle parody? It seems wildly out of place for Brin-L.
Because of its subtlety, of course. Not because it is parody.
-- Ronn! :)
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Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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In a message dated 5/18/2005 3:08:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Damn you, Warren Okrassa!
How dare you bring rational thought and personal stories to a
discussion of abortion? I think you know as well as I do that the only
way to argue this issue is with pictures of aborted fetuses, Bible
verse placards, stories of women killed in back-alley clinics and
At 09:11 AM Thursday 5/19/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:42:54 -0400, JDG wrote
The Catholic Church has it that every sperm is sacred.
This is a false statement. I am quite familiar with Catholic
teaching, and I do not believe that you can find a single Church
document
On May 19, 2005, at 7:11 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 19 May 2005, at 3:03 pm, Nick Arnett wrote:
I'm a bit surprised to find that I believe that in this very important
sense no religion is more or less likely to do good. Nonetheless, it
seems to me that because religious institutions are
On May 19, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:02 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
Wasn't the middle finger the one that was stiffened in the
astronauts' gloves for pushing buttons, as well?
Yes.
The nail that sticks up gets hammered down.
Dave
On 5/19/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:41 AM 5/18/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
Los Angeles Times Poll. Jan. 30-Feb. 2, 2003. N=1,385 adults
nationwide.
MoE ± 3 (total sample).
Do you favor or oppose a law which would make it illegal to perform a
specific abortion procedure
On 5/19/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:47 PM 5/18/2005 EDT, Bob wrote:
As a scientist, I am sure that you agree that the unborn child is, in
fact,
homo sapiens. So, what you are really saying is that there are some
humans who do not enjoy the protection of human rights.
So, why
On 19 May 2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote
... I can't totally disavow the possibility of the numinous, and I
don't see how anyone else can either if he's being truthful.
No, neither you nor anyone else should. To claim that people do not
have numinous experiences is to claim a falsehood.
On 5/19/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:30 AM 5/18/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
I think that is a misreading of Roe v. Wade. Based on evidence
available at the time the Supreme Court ruled for no state involvement
in the first trimester, state regulation in the second, and only to
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On 5/19/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:41 AM 5/18/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
Fictionology's central belief, that any imaginary construct can be
incorporated into the church's ever-growing set of official doctrines,
continues to gain popularity. Believers in Santa Claus, his elves, or the
Tooth Fairy are permittedeven encouragedto view them as deities. Even
corporate
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On 5/19/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:30 AM
At 10:23 AM Thursday 5/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you are waiting for me to chime in...
my momma taught me not to go near
wild things that are frothing at the mouth
Yo momma warn't no dummy!
-- Ronn! :)
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On 5/19/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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snip
The bill was ruled unconstitutional because it had no exceptions for
the well-being of the pregnant woman and in one of the trials in a
finding of fact a conservative
Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1973) Companion case to Roe, striking down
parts of a liberalized statute from Georgia with health/rape/incest
exceptions. Holding, (7-2) per Blackmun, that a woman has a
constitutional
right to abortion from six months to birth, if her doctor in his best
On 5/19/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1973) Companion case to Roe, striking down
parts of a liberalized statute from Georgia with health/rape/incest
exceptions. Holding, (7-2) per Blackmun, that a woman has a
constitutional
right to abortion
On 5/19/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Another quote from the case law:
Thornburg v. American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, 476 U.S.
747 (1986) (5-4) per Blackmun. The last case where a majority of
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Just out of curiosity, am I a rarity in suggesting -- as an atheist --
the meaning of things based in an assumption both of no god/s *and* of
god/s?
You are not an atheist. Atheism is the religious belief that there is
no god or gods, based on faith, and without any
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Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:32 PM
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On 5/19/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1973)
As of 5:25 or so this morning. My daughter gave birth to a healthy baby
boy, 7 lb 4 oz., 20.5 in. (sorry Alberto).
I rushed back early from a business trip in SLC so I could hold him in my
arms.
8^))
--
Doug
Very Proud Maru
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 13:37:17 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote
As of 5:25 or so this morning. My daughter gave birth to a healthy
baby boy, 7 lb 4 oz., 20.5 in. (sorry Alberto).
I rushed back early from a business trip in SLC so I could hold him
in my arms.
Congratulations!
Is this your
In a message dated 5/19/2005 1:40:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 19 May 2005 13:37:17 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote
As of 5:25 or so this morning. My daughter gave birth to a healthy
baby boy, 7 lb 4 oz., 20.5 in. (sorry Alberto).
I rushed back
Former brineller Stefan Jones sent this about seeing the new SITH flick:
--
My manager surprised everyone on the development team with free tickets
to _Revenge_. All of my testing was on automatic today, so why not?
Wonderful eye candy of course. But . . . God. The dialog and acting and
On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:01:07 EDT, Medievalbk wrote
And that would be?
Rocking chair, cane, and You kids get off my lawn!
Nah. It's enjoying the kids while knowing that at the end of the day (or
weekend) they're back to mom and dad... and learning to keep one's mouth shut
with regard
On May 19, 2005, at 2:53 PM, d.brin wrote:
If you refer anyone on line to rants about this,
here's one recent very colorful one in the New Yorker:
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/?050523crci_cinema
This is a damn fine piece of writing.
Overall impression:
The general opinion of Revenge
On 5/19/05, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are agnostic, those that carry the banner MAYBE [or maybe
you are an agnostic with atheist tendencies, with the banner
PROBABLY NOT]
The delusional is no longer marginal, and we err on the side of folly if we
continue to grant the
Dave Land quoted:
On Yodish:
Deepest mind in the galaxy, apparently, and you still express
yourself like a day-tripper with a dog-eared phrase book. I
hope right you are. Break me a fucking give.
Stupid this quote is. The right and old galactic standard Yoda
speaks. The
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:42:54 -0400, JDG wrote
The
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I'll answer this quickly...I'm going someplace with my
Oh come on- it was way better than the preceding two, and only a
little worse than ROTJ. But I saw this article in USA Today and I
have to pass it along: apparently some people think Lucas is a liberal
and it reflects in ROTS (incidentally Brin, I am a little surprised
you didn't pick up on the
Doug Pensinger wrote:
As of 5:25 or so this morning. My daughter gave birth to
a healthy baby boy, 7 lb 4 oz., 20.5 in. (sorry Alberto).
Congratulations!
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On 5/18/05, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks
on-list.
If you make many more personal attacks on-list, the probability of
your being placed on moderation will be non-zero.
On 5/19/05, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 05:52 PM Wednesday 5/18/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:45:15 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote
* Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I've been asked to ask you to tone it down on personal attacks
on-list.
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Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today
Not really what I was asking about, but thanks for
In a message dated 5/18/2005 10:12:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can understand
you saying that at conception we don't have a human, at 21 we do, and
somewhere in between we draw a line.
But, that line should be based on the being itself, not what _we've_ done.
Congrats, Grampa! And thus, a new generation of nerds is born unto the world.
:)
Jim
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I believe this is spoiler free. But if you're utterly in the dark, read no
more...
IMHO, I agree the dialogue needs improvement, but I think it was better
than Ep.II. There were some parts that were utterly forgettable, but the
rest worked in its own way, even if it wasn't as quotable as the
I get this subject line:
Rape photos - $29.95 month
Now, I don't know about you guys, buy I get very little spam as a rule, since I
use this address for almost nothing but Brin-L, eBay and personal e-mails. So
it was *quite* jarring. :)
On a slightly more serious note, I am trying to decide
I'm going to answer JDG's post on this in a general, not a point by point
fashion. Part of this was inspired by his claim that I'm missing his
general point. I'll make four general points in reply, and he is free to
attack any or all of them.
1) From at least 1920 on, there has been a
At 07:11 AM 5/19/2005 -0700, Nick wrote:
The Catholic Church has it that every sperm is sacred.
This is a false statement. I am quite familiar with Catholic
teaching, and I do not believe that you can find a single Church
document supporting that position. Indeed, the above statement
At 04:45 PM 5/18/2005 -0500, you wrote:
.and will be after I finish my
analysis of economic data that will be rejected by JDG a priori. :-)
No Dan, I won't reject it a priori. I will just predict your a priori
that your conclusion will somehow manage to be Republican economic
policies - bad;
At 12:31 PM 5/19/2005 -0500, Gary wrote:
Los Angeles Times Poll. Jan. 30-Feb. 2, 2003. N=1,385 adults
nationwide.
MoE ± 3 (total sample).
Do you favor or oppose a law which would make it illegal to perform a
specific abortion procedure conducted in the last six months of a
woman's
At 10:02 PM Thursday 5/19/2005, JDG wrote:
At 07:11 AM 5/19/2005 -0700, Nick wrote:
The Catholic Church has it that every sperm is sacred.
This is a false statement. I am quite familiar with Catholic
teaching, and I do not believe that you can find a single Church
document supporting that
Damon Agretto wrote:
I believe this is spoiler free. But if you're utterly in the dark, read
no more...
At this point, the film is as predictable as excrement from a dog. I
laugh at spoiler warnings. It's like the spoiler warnings before the
movie Titanic came out. Anakin becomes Vader,
Nick wrote:
Congratulations!
Is this your initial entry into the wonderful world of grandparenthood?
Thank you. Yes this is my first grandchild and I'm very happy to have
joined the clubb.
--
Doug
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