Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-13 Thread Gibson Jonathan
Thank you Andrew for a much more reasonable tone. You have cleared a few items up this time around and I'll respond in time kind. Claws sheathed. On Sep 12, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 12 Sep 2006 at 6:38, Gibson Jonathan wrote: Face it: If your making games you've

Weekly Chat Reminder

2006-09-13 Thread William T Goodall
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of

RE: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?

2006-09-13 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Land Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:05 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: What should we believe when there is no reliable information? On Sep 12, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Gibson Jonathan

RE: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

2006-09-13 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Denton Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:33 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2) I'll just make a brief interjection that a new study suggests that

Re: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?

2006-09-13 Thread Gibson Jonathan
Thanks Dan, I guess I missed that message in the bustle of my life. As another after word, every single one of my Archt schoolmates contacted in no way buys the official story. Every one of them cited the pile-up of those vertical support beams should have tipped the building, any building,

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

2006-09-13 Thread Deborah Harrell
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Japan was also cited for its top-down approach to reforestation I really would like to see them growing trees from the top down . . . snort! :) From the central government at the time (Tokagawa IIRC), as opposed to the New Guinians

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

2006-09-13 Thread Deborah Harrell
Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll just make a brief interjection that a new study suggests that Diamond got it wrong. Easter Island forest deprivation was more likely caused by rats brought by the colonists, who also arrived much later then previously thought. Diamond mentioned

Re: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?

2006-09-13 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:49 PM Wednesday 9/13/2006, Gibson Jonathan wrote: Yes, our friends and neighbors live an exceptionally rich fantasy life. On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:38 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 13 Sep 2006, at 8:34PM, Dan Minette wrote: I think she used some four letter words in response to the poll

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-13 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 13 Sep 2006 at 7:20, Gibson Jonathan wrote: Why do you have a problem with the fact that some people who can use technology don't view it as sacred? What, no answer, again?!? Anyway, I don't worship at any alter. Why do you insist I do? Because it's evidently a creed for you, and

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-13 Thread William T Goodall
On 14 Sep 2006, at 1:47AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 13 Sep 2006 at 7:20, Gibson Jonathan wrote: Agreed. Never made any other case except to point out a Mac is better secured than PC. No, you're not. Because bluntly Mac's are just another OS as far as security is concerned. It has none

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-13 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 14 Sep 2006 at 2:22, William T Goodall wrote: On 14 Sep 2006, at 1:47AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 13 Sep 2006 at 7:20, Gibson Jonathan wrote: Agreed. Never made any other case except to point out a Mac is better secured than PC. No, you're not. Because bluntly Mac's are

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-13 Thread William T Goodall
On 14 Sep 2006, at 2:32AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 14 Sep 2006 at 2:22, William T Goodall wrote: On 14 Sep 2006, at 1:47AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 13 Sep 2006 at 7:20, Gibson Jonathan wrote: Agreed. Never made any other case except to point out a Mac is better secured than PC.

Re: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?

2006-09-13 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/13/2006 7:26:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All we can say for sure is that if a living human being requires some sort of spirit or essence or katra or whatever you call it then at some point prior to a live birth such an entity must enter

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-13 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 14 Sep 2006 at 2:58, William T Goodall wrote: On 14 Sep 2006, at 2:32AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 14 Sep 2006 at 2:22, William T Goodall wrote: On 14 Sep 2006, at 1:47AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 13 Sep 2006 at 7:20, Gibson Jonathan wrote: Agreed. Never made any other

RE: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?

2006-09-13 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gibson Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:24 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: What should we believe when there is no reliable information? Thanks Dan, I guess I missed that

Re: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?

2006-09-13 Thread William T Goodall
On 14 Sep 2006, at 3:04AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/13/2006 7:26:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All we can say for sure is that if a living human being requires some sort of spirit or essence or katra or whatever you call it then at some

Re: Morality

2006-09-13 Thread William T Goodall
On 9 Sep 2006, at 12:51PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 9 Sep 2006 at 2:36, William T Goodall wrote: For me unknowable/meaningless = knowable/false. So you reject quantum theory entirely? Interesting. I'm quite happy with the 'shut up and calculate' part. It's those wacky ontologies I

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-13 Thread William T Goodall
On 14 Sep 2006, at 3:13AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 14 Sep 2006 at 2:58, William T Goodall wrote: It's not 'none' though is it? None/some/all are different you know. OS X clearly has at least some of the open source advantages of Linux and certainly a great more than Windows. Nope. But to

RE: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?

2006-09-13 Thread Ritu
William T Goodall wrote: Or perhaps all the 'souls' play musical chairs while we sleep and we wake up with a different one each day :- Wasn't that the premise of a Greg Egan short story? Not all the souls playing musical chairs, of course, but one which woke up in a different body each

RE: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?

2006-09-13 Thread Ritu
Ronn Blankenship wrote: IIRC there are some religions which believe that the baby acquires a spirit or whatever they call it when s/he takes his/her first breath outside the womb. From what was said to me during my pregnancies, I think the Hindus [or at least the non-atheist/non-agnostic

Brin article on Salon

2006-09-13 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2006/09/14/basic/ Why Johnny can't code BASIC used to be on every computer a child touched -- but today there's no easy way for kids to get hooked on programming. By David Brin Sep. 14, 2006 | For three years -- ever since my son Ben was in fifth grade --

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

2006-09-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Denton Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:33 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2) I'll just make a brief interjection that a new study