RE: US hegemony in the Mideast...

2007-09-02 Thread jon louis mann
OK, that sounds reasonable. It also sounds like the bulk of the US foreign policy with regards to working with Arabs and Persians. Let's look at a list of Mid-East oil producers...their 2000 production capacity and our policy towards them: Saudi Arabia 9.48 For Iran 3.77

RE: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Dan Minettte
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 4:06 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach? - Original Message -

RE: Barack Obama

2007-09-02 Thread Dan Minettte
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Re: Barack Obama

2007-09-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Dan Minettte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:38 PM Subject: RE: Barack Obama -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert

Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 1, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Dan Minettte wrote: OK, I didn't explicitly mention that alternative means are now available but at prohibitively high costs explicitlyand I probably should have. The cost would be so high that going to sources that are considered green for the

Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
On 9/2/2007 1:11:48 PM, Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sep 1, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Dan Minettte wrote: OK, I didn't explicitly mention that alternative means are now available but at prohibitively high costs explicitlyand I probably should have. The cost would be so high

Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Dave Land wrote: So, the argument goes, Global Warming due to human activity is either true or false, and we can choose either to take action to mitigate those effects or not. Each spot in the resulting truth table has an expected outcome. As it has been discussed here many times, there are

Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Sep 2007 at 19:48, Robert Seeberger wrote: I suspect that minimizing pollution from energy generation is a more immediately achievable goal. Industrial and manufacturing sources entail a much greater dedication in that it means much greater changes to our lifestyles. No, not really.

RE: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Dan Minettte
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Land Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:12 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach? It is not necessarily a foregone

Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Dan Minettte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: RE: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Dan Minettte
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:49 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach? I think that the focus on global

RE: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Dan Minettte
And it's absolutely irrelevant what we [me, you, my country, your country] do while China keeps the pace of one new thermoelectric coal power plant each week. The projection that I've seen is that China's CO2 production will be twice that of the US and the EU combined in 25 or so years. This

Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach? On 2 Sep 2007 at 19:48, Robert Seeberger wrote: I suspect

Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Ray Ludenia
Alberto, you better not read this; it will only aggravate you! On 03/09/2007, at 11:40 AM, Dan Minettte wrote: I hope you remember my suggestion of a fossil fuel tax that would...as part of it...add about $5.00 per gallon of gasoline as an incentive to conserve and use other energy

RE: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?

2007-09-02 Thread Dan Minettte
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Ludenia Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:46 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach? Alberto, you better not read this; it