Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
John Williams wrote: So now you implicitly claim not only to be able to predict what would happen if the government did not intervene immediately after the various investment bank problems, but also what would have happened many months after that under the influence of unknown intervention

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:50 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote: I think it's disingenuous to say that we had no idea what would have happened. Many more banks would have failed, Yes, but that is not

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread John Williams
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:  In a baseball game, if an error is made on a play that would have ended an inning and a number of runs are scored afterwards, its not much of a stretch to say that if the error had not occurred, the runs wouldn't have

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread John Williams
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote: It makes a lot of sense to me to intervene as little as possible, but you seem to be arguing that any intervention is wrong.  How do you buy time to fix the system?  Do you let the whole thing collapse just to make sure

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote You are implicitly making a prediction -- that the consequences would have been the worst if there were no immediate government intervention. I have seen no evidence of the accuracy of your predictions, in fact, I

RE: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread Julia
Rob, we're having some talk of medical school in Austin. I haven't seen new construction on that, though. If there is new construction, I could be totally clueless right now, though. No new hospital construction *now* that I know of in Austin. They put up 2 in Round Rock east of IH-35 -- a

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread John Williams
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote: What predictions of mine have been unreliable? Real estate investment. So, you're saying that Bernanke, etc., didn't have enough information to make the decisions they made?  They should have taken advantage of further

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
John Williams wrote: Taking a complicated situation and equating it to a simple one, and then assuming that what holds for the simple situation holds for the complex one, is likely to lead to incorrect information, flawed decisions, and overconfidence in one's ability to predict the

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread John Williams
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:  I'm not trying to say that the cone is the same as the building, only that they have similarities in shape. In which case, the analogy is useless for drawing conclusions, unless you first list every similarity and difference

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
Original Message: - From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:14:11 -0700 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader Taking a complicated situation and equating it to a simple one, and then assuming that what holds for the

Posted in a workcube

2009-08-30 Thread Rceeberger
I will not brew Decaf. Decaf is the mind-killer. Decaf brings the little sleep that leads to total oblivion. I will embrace my caffeine. I will brew my beverages and let them... flow through me, and when they are gone, I will remain...alert xponent Findings Maru rob

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread dsummersmi...@comcast.net
I origionally just hit reply to while multitaking and the returned it just to John. I'm sorry that it didn't go to the list, but I'm using my portable which does not have my main sorter. BTW, the below is not intended as a flame, but an accurate statement of what the posts indicate to me. I

RE: Posted in a workcube

2009-08-30 Thread Julia
-Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Rceeberger Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:16 PM To: Brin-L Subject: Posted in a workcube I will not brew Decaf. Decaf is the mind-killer. Decaf brings the little sleep that leads to

Re: Posted in a workcube

2009-08-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
rob wrote: I will not brew Decaf. Decaf is the mind-killer. Decaf brings the little sleep that leads to total oblivion. I will embrace my caffeine. I will brew my beverages and let them... flow through me, and when they are gone, I will remain...alert wtf are you doing in a workcube

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: I origionally just hit reply to while multitaking and the returned it just to John.  I'm sorry that it didn't go to the list, but I'm using my portable which does not have my main sorter.  BTW, the below is not intended as a flame, but an accurate statement of what the posts

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
John Williams wrote: In which case, the analogy is useless for drawing conclusions, unless you first list every similarity and difference to the actual situation. In which case, why not discuss the actual situation instead of absurd burning building or sports analogies? As for meaning of

Re: Posted in a workcube

2009-08-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: Reply: You can get that on a t-shirt.  I gave such a t-shirt to my brother-in-law. (His caffeine addiction is legendary.  In fact, the first time I met him, the biggest impression he made on me was with the concoction he was using to stay awake for an all-nighter --

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: You are very very quite about yourself, but your posts indicate someone who has never had to properly simplify a complex situation in order to succeed. I don't think I've corresponded with anyone who

Re: Posted in a workcube

2009-08-30 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: rob wrote: I will not brew Decaf. Decaf is the mind-killer. Decaf brings the little sleep that leads to total oblivion. I will embrace my caffeine. I will brew my beverages and let them... flow through me, and when they are gone, I will

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread John Williams
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote: How ironic is it that someone who claims to be such a libertarian is so adamant about restricting my rhetorical style! When did I claim to be a libertarian? And why exactly am I obligated to discuss something with you that I

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
John Williams wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote: How ironic is it that someone who claims to be such a libertarian is so adamant about restricting my rhetorical style! When did I claim to be a libertarian? Perhaps you did not, I apologize if I

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:36 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote: How ironic is it that someone who claims to be such a libertarian is so adamant about restricting my rhetorical style! When did I claim to be a

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread xponentrob
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:36 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread John Williams
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote: You are most definitely not obligated to talk about anything at all. I  was talking about your bitching about my use of analogy. It was not bitching, there was a point I was trying to make: taking a complicated system like

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread John Williams
Oh, come on.  You espouse libertarian ideologies constantly, Mr. Keep the Government out of Everything, Please. And what ideologies do you espouse? ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com

Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader

2009-08-30 Thread John Williams
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, xponentrobxponent...@comcast.net wrote: I find it humorous that those who believe in an invisible hand might ridicule the belief in an invisible pink unicorn. Not sure what invisible pink unicorns have to do with this thread. But as for hands, there are