Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-24 Thread maru dubshinki
On 9/23/06, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maru wrote: > >> The Wikipedia entry for R is under "GNU-S" :-) > > > I hate to play the pedantic resident Wikipedia expert here, > marudubinski, I presume :-) You forgot the "Dr."! ...(Nah, I'm kidding.) Ok, but if we wa

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-23 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Maru wrote: > >> The Wikipedia entry for R is under "GNU-S" :-) > > > I hate to play the pedantic resident Wikipedia expert here, > marudubinski, I presume :-) > but it's > actually at [[R (programming language)]] > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_%28programming_language%29), like it > should (s

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:14 PM Friday 9/22/2006, David Hobby wrote: ... Especially when you subtract two nearly equal numbers. Computers do, but do no programming environments take account of this, by marking recurring numbers as such? Anyone know how Mathematica works? -- Ronn! :) Ronn-- I believe it avoi

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread David Hobby
... Especially when you subtract two nearly equal numbers. Computers do, but do no programming environments take account of this, by marking recurring numbers as such? Anyone know how Mathematica works? -- Ronn! :) Ronn-- I believe it avoids decimal approximations unless they are specif

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread maru dubshinki
On 9/22/06, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . The Wikipedia entry for R is under "GNU-S" :-) Alberto Monteiro I hate to play the pedantic resident Wikipedia expert here, but it's actually at [[R (programming language)]] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_%28programming_language%29

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:02 PM Friday 9/22/2006, Charlie Bell wrote: On 23/09/2006, at 11:52 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:20 PM Friday 9/22/2006, Charlie Bell wrote: On 23/09/2006, at 1:11 AM, Klaus Stock wrote: OTOH, consider the following Smalltalk code: x := 1 / 3. x := 3 * x. x inspect.

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/09/2006, at 11:52 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:20 PM Friday 9/22/2006, Charlie Bell wrote: On 23/09/2006, at 1:11 AM, Klaus Stock wrote: OTOH, consider the following Smalltalk code: x := 1 / 3. x := 3 * x. x inspect. Common sense tells us that the result is 0.999

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:20 PM Friday 9/22/2006, Charlie Bell wrote: On 23/09/2006, at 1:11 AM, Klaus Stock wrote: OTOH, consider the following Smalltalk code: x := 1 / 3. x := 3 * x. x inspect. Common sense tells us that the result is 0.999 - but Smalltalk insists on 1. Um, .9* *is* 1. .999

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/09/2006, at 1:11 AM, Klaus Stock wrote: OTOH, consider the following Smalltalk code: x := 1 / 3. x := 3 * x. x inspect. Common sense tells us that the result is 0.999 - but Smalltalk insists on 1. Um, .9* *is* 1. Charlie __

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:11 AM Friday 9/22/2006, Klaus Stock wrote: OTOH, consider the following Smalltalk code: x := 1 / 3. x := 3 * x. x inspect. Common sense tells us that the result is 0.999 - but Smalltalk insists on 1. Funny, that's exactly the example many books used 30-odd years ago to il

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 22 Sep 2006 at 8:22, David Brin wrote: > Only a small minority seemed at all interested in even > looking at my core idea, which was how to create a > nice, comfortable starting point for millions of kids, > so they could use their computers to do a little > COMPUTING for mild classroom assignm

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dave Land wrote: > > PS: The Good Doctor's eulogy for BASIC is mentioned in the > "Maturity" section of the Wikipedia entry for BASIC: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC > Hmmm... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BASIC&action=history ... who is Dland? :-) Now do the proper homework

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread David Brin
> For those of you who are thinking about implementing > an online> BASIC interpreter, here's one that's already > running:> > http://www.pachesoft.com/rockerferbasic/ This is a great idea. But need to make a list of attributes that such an implementation would need. 1. A good welcome page that

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Dave Land
Hi, WHILE we're on the subject of ancient programming languages AND their relative merits, we might as well dip into that deep well of wisdom regarding programming that poured forth from the nimble fingers of Edsger Dijkstra: "How do we tell truths that might hurt?" (http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Gibson Jonathan
Although number one, M$oft, could be done with some public pressure - or Apple doing it first - my vote is Four: 4) In order to keep using those textbooks (like my son’s) that still have TRY IT IN BASIC exercises, one reader had a fantastically simple suggestion. A turn-key web site! “For

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread David Brin
Hi brinellers! Glad to see you still in business! I am very sorry to have neglected you in favor of that darned, time-consuming blog. http://www.davidbrin.blogspot.com/ In part because the political issues are so important/urgent right now that I'll grab any influence where I can get it. Of co

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Klaus Stock
"Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Klaus Stock suggested: > > > > OTOH, on more modern computers, one might teach the child OOA and > > OOP with some Smalltalk system. > > > From... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk > > Because of that the meaning of Smalltalk expressions

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Klaus Stock suggested: > > OTOH, on more modern computers, one might teach the child OOA and > OOP with some Smalltalk system. > From... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk Because of that the meaning of Smalltalk expressions using binary messages can be different from their "traditiona

Re: Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Klaus Stock
> I don't know if this has already been suggested, but I have > recently learned the programming language R, and it seems that > it's exactly what you would like to use to teach your kids > how to use a computer: > > (a) it's free and available for _all_ systems [M$, Linux, Mac] How about the goo

Brin: basic is evil, why it must be eradicated

2006-09-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
I don't know if this has already been suggested, but I have recently learned the programming language R, and it seems that it's exactly what you would like to use to teach your kids how to use a computer: (a) it's free and available for _all_ systems [M$, Linux, Mac] (b) it's simple to use (c) i