RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-25 Thread Curtis Burisch
I'm a little skeptical on this. There have been so many rosy forecasts over the years for fusion, and they never seem to pan out. Fusion is 30 years away, and always will be. I'm well aware of this statement, and it's held true so far -- but to date people have focused on tokamak fusion devices,

RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Curtis Burisch
I am not optimistic that this will be done. If this or some other really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are going to be in for some nasty times. The other way the energy crisis will be solved is for the world population to fall to about a billion. so we face either a

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:19 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Some of us get it. But not enough, not by far, not yet .. Is there any other way to help them to get it than to keep reminding them? . . . ronn! :) Now on that, I will

RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 02:39 AM Thursday 7/24/2008, Curtis Burisch wrote: It's an unstable situation, implying change. One way or another it will sort itself out. For what it's worth, I'm pretty confident we'll sort the energy crisis out completely within the next five years or so. In what way, specifically?

RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Curtis Burisch
In what way, specifically? It's an unstable situation, implying change. One way or another it will sort itself out. If we run out of energy, it will be a global catastrophe where billions die. We will adapt to the new conditions. Stabilization achieved. If we find a new source of energy, the

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread hkhenson
I don't know why this failed to post the first time, try again. At 12:00 PM 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that drastic regardless. it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7 billion sustainably no matter what we do. With a

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 24, 2008, at 2:27 PM, hkhenson wrote: At 12:00 PM 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that drastic regardless. it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7 billion sustainably no matter what we do. With a lot of low

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Kevin B. O'Brien
Curtis Burisch wrote: 2. Fusion (read up on IEC fusion; there are also another two very promising new fusion technologies. One or all of these will definitely work. Maybe more likely 15 years, not 5.) I'm a little skeptical on this. There have been so many rosy forecasts over the years for

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 24, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 24, 2008, at 2:27 PM, hkhenson wrote: And there are certain parts of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to skew future demographics. So it's likely to be a hard crash, and not a very well controlled

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/07/2008, at 5:27 AM, hkhenson wrote: And there are certain parts of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to skew future demographics. So it's likely to be a hard crash, and not a very well controlled one at that. This would worry me more except I think the

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:34 PM Monday 7/21/2008, hkhenson wrote: At 12:00 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Keith wrote If someone in the area can think of another venue to talk about dollar a gallon gasoline, I found it interesting that over the weekend I heard a sound bite on the news from Al Gore where he was also

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote: I am not optimistic that this will be done. If this or some other really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are going to be in for some nasty times. The other way the energy

RE: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Pat Mathews
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:04:02 -0500 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Showing again that the underlying problem is that people must renounce greed and selfishness and replace them with cooperation and altruism. . . . ronn! :) Great idea. Wrong species. E.O.

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote: I am not optimistic that this will be done. If this or some other really huge supply of primary energy is not found, we are going to be

And the thred creep begins Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: You wanna tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing? -- Toby Ziegler Why did Toby get all the really good lines? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: And the thred creep begins Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/07/2008, at 11:21 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: You wanna tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing? -- Toby Ziegler Why did Toby get all the really good lines? He didn't get them all. He got a lot, but so did Josh, and Sam,

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:02 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote: I am not optimistic that this will be done. If this or some other really huge

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 23, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 08:02 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:29 PM, hkhenson wrote: I am not optimistic that

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread hkhenson
___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:23 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 23, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 08:02 AM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:06 PM Tuesday 7/22/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Jul 22, 2008,

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 03:32 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, hkhenson wrote: ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l I'm speechless, too! . . . ronn! :P Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt. ___

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 03:32 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, hkhenson wrote: ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l I'm speechless, too! . . . ronn! :P Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt. So, how

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: For every Marx, there's a Stalin. (Which was one of the many examples I meant by it's been tried.) I was not aware that either of those was associated with a movement to convince everyone that they must love each other as much as they

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jul 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Some of us get it. But not enough, not by far, not yet .. Is there any other way to help them to get it than to keep reminding them? . . . ronn! :) Now on that, I will wholeheartedly agree with you. Reminders never hurt. And

Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Jon Louis Mann
In places where these things are irrelevant, like China, coal is used to the maximum. They are well aware of the problems from coal and are expected (if this goes live) to be the largest customers. On the other hand, they might own the space manufacturing setup and we would be buying

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:39 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 03:32 PM Wednesday 7/23/2008, hkhenson wrote: ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l I'm speechless, too! . . .

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-22 Thread Alberto Monteiro
hkhenson wrote: It's not even a particularly risky project. If you have electrical energy to burn, making syngas is easy from coal, even from trash. Sasol knows two ways to turn syngas into oil. H... And how much do you think _coal_ and _trash_ will cost, if they can be turned into

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-22 Thread hkhenson
At 12:00 PM 7/22/2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote: hkhenson wrote: It's not even a particularly risky project. If you have electrical energy to burn, making syngas is easy from coal, even from trash. Sasol knows two ways to turn syngas into oil. H... And how much do you think _coal_

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-22 Thread Bruce Bostwick
Pretty sure we're headed for a population crash at least that drastic regardless. it's obvious to me that the earth cannot support 6-7 billion sustainably no matter what we do. And there are certain parts of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to skew future

Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-21 Thread hkhenson
At 12:00 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Keith wrote If someone in the area can think of another venue to talk about dollar a gallon gasoline, I can make a case and I have slides. Why don't you make a case to some venture capitalists and/or industry representatives who can get started immediately