Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-18 Thread Jim Sharkey
Bruce wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duggar_family - more specific example Someone needs to tell them it's a uterus, not a clown car. :-p Jim Brazil Visit beautiful Brazil. Click now for great vacation packages!

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-18 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duggar_family - more specific example Someone needs to tell them it's a uterus, not a clown car. :-p Brin list rule number 1: Never read list e-mail while drinking beverages unless

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-18 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duggar_family - more specific example Someone needs to tell them it's a uterus, not a clown car. :-p Brin list rule number 1:

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-18 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 07:44 AM Thursday 9/18/2008, Jim Sharkey wrote: Bruce wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duggar_family - more specific example Someone needs to tell them it's a uterus, not a clown car. :-p I guess that all depends on whether the kids join the circus. . . . ronn! :)

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/09/2008, at 8:52 AM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: Deciding who does and does not get to have children (or deciding how many they're allowed to have) is in the same class of problems as deciding who lives or who dies. But noting that in affluent, educated societies, birth-rates fall (and

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 05:37 PM Tuesday 9/16/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Sep 16, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: No, it's just what I ask _everybody_ who suggests that approaching 7 billion (or whatever the current world population happens to be) is too many people: where _specifically_ do you

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Wayne Eddy
- Original Message - From: Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] The fact that deciding which of the existing 6-7 billion should be allowed to live is an extremely thorny ethical and moral question (and one I wouldn't even begin to be qualified to answer) doesn't take away from the fact

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Bruce Bostwick wrote: There is a third option, if viable enough habitats can be created elsewhere in the solar system -- ::eyes Mars enviously:: Opening new frontiers is never a solution to overpopulation. The reason is that emmigration will only reduce the home population by a tiny

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 17, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 05:37 PM Tuesday 9/16/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Sep 16, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: No, it's just what I ask _everybody_ who suggests that approaching 7 billion (or whatever the current world population happens

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (It also doesn't address the fact that certain subcultures within that population are deliberately breeding children at a greatly *accelerated* rate, specifically as a long-term strategy to promote their own ideologies

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread zwilnik
At 03:30 PM Tuesday 9/16/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: I said that we can't feed the world and dispense with agribusiness, but i hope we can dispense make food production more productive and less destructive to habitats. we are approaching 7 billion people and little sign of reaching zpg.

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 17, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Wayne Eddy wrote: From: Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] The fact that deciding which of the existing 6-7 billion should be allowed to live is an extremely thorny ethical and moral question (and one I wouldn't even begin to be qualified to answer) doesn't

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 17, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (It also doesn't address the fact that certain subcultures within that population are deliberately breeding children at a greatly *accelerated* rate,

Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Jon Louis Mann
No, it's just what I ask _everybody_ who suggests approaching 7 billion (or whatever the current world population happens to be) is too many people: where _specifically_ do you suggest that the needed reductions be made, and if you personally are not at the head of that list, how

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 17/09/2008, at 8:52 AM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: Deciding who does and does not get to have children (or deciding how many they're allowed to have) is in the same class of problems as deciding who lives or who dies. But noting that in

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: Cite? Come on, you knew that was coming. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull - only one example, but rather representative

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: Cite? Come on, you knew that was coming. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull - only one example, but

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-16 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 03:55 PM Sunday 9/14/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: I'd like to see some numbers on how we could feed the existing mouths at a price they can afford to pay if the latter restrictions were enforced worldwide. Do you have any? . . . ronn! :) hell no!~) i said that we can't feed the

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-16 Thread Euan Ritchie
I said that we can't feed the world and dispense with agribusiness, but i hope we can dispense make food production more productive and less destructive to habitats. we are approaching 7 billion people and little sign of reaching zpg. So what selection criteria do you suggest be used?

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-16 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 14, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sun, 14 Sep 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: Any solution yet to the problem that any sort of advance in the efficiency of growing and producing crops is immediately countered by a corresponding increase in population and thus demand for the

Fair Trade

2008-09-16 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I said that we can't feed the world and dispense with agribusiness, but i hope we can dispense make food production more productive and less destructive to habitats. we are approaching 7 billion people and little sign of reaching zpg. So what selection criteria do you suggest be used?

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-16 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: I said that we can't feed the world and dispense with agribusiness, but i hope we can dispense make food production more productive and less destructive to habitats. we are approaching 7 billion people and little sign of reaching zpg. So what

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-16 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 03:30 PM Tuesday 9/16/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: I said that we can't feed the world and dispense with agribusiness, but i hope we can dispense make food production more productive and less destructive to habitats. we are approaching 7 billion people and little sign of reaching zpg.

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/09/2008, at 8:05 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: No, it's just what I ask _everybody_ who suggests that approaching 7 billion (or whatever the current world population happens to be) is too many people: where _specifically_ do you suggest that the needed reductions be made, and if you

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-16 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 16, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: No, it's just what I ask _everybody_ who suggests that approaching 7 billion (or whatever the current world population happens to be) is too many people: where _specifically_ do you suggest that the needed reductions be made, and if you

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-16 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 16, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 17/09/2008, at 8:05 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: No, it's just what I ask _everybody_ who suggests that approaching 7 billion (or whatever the current world population happens to be) is too many people: where _specifically_ do you suggest

Fair Trade

2008-09-14 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I'd like to see some numbers on how we could feed the existing mouths at a price they can afford to pay if the latter restrictions were enforced worldwide. Do you have any? . . . ronn! :) hell no!~) i said that we can't feed the world and dispense with agribusiness, but i hope we can

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-14 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 14, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: I'd like to see some numbers on how we could feed the existing mouths at a price they can afford to pay if the latter restrictions were enforced worldwide. Do you have any? . . . ronn! :) hell no!~) i said that we can't feed the world

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-13 Thread Richard Baker
Jon said: You have it bass ackwards, Rich. Fair trade makes poor people less poor. Some poor people less poor in the short term, anyway. Are you in favour of subsidies in general? (Not that fair trade is quite a subsidy, but it's close.) What is GCU Way? I was just commenting on being