Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/10/2007, at 10:57 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: which could also stand for High Profile Vehicle, i.e., the ones which are subject to being blown off the road or over on their sides when it gets windy . . . What's the difference? That's happened to me once this year (found out when

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-12 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:33 AM Friday 10/12/2007, Charlie Bell wrote: On 12/10/2007, at 10:57 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: which could also stand for High Profile Vehicle, i.e., the ones which are subject to being blown off the road or over on their sides when it gets windy . . . What's the

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 13/10/2007, at 1:36 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:33 AM Friday 10/12/2007, Charlie Bell wrote: On 12/10/2007, at 10:57 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: which could also stand for High Profile Vehicle, i.e., the ones which are subject to being blown off the road or over on their sides

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-12 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 07:47 PM Friday 10/12/2007, Charlie Bell wrote: On 13/10/2007, at 1:36 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:33 AM Friday 10/12/2007, Charlie Bell wrote: On 12/10/2007, at 10:57 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: which could also stand for High Profile Vehicle, i.e., the ones which are

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 13/10/2007, at 11:59 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: I was being ironic. Me, too! Don't stop now! LOL Fair enough. Bit of a sense of humour failure last night - lost my pannier with wallet, housekeys, work pass, work blackberry, mobile phone... fortunately it was handed in to the cops

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Charlie Bell
On 11/10/2007, at 1:45 AM, Horn, John wrote: Charlie Bell wrote Sanctimonious? How much of a snarl-up is asking for trouble? Oooo... There's that nerve again. At least it wasn't *me* this time! It's going to get very tiresome if every time I disagree with something strongly, you claim

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Charlie Bell
On 11/10/2007, at 2:28 AM, Dan Minettte wrote: What you're saying is that the weak should give up their rights to the strong. Actually, while asking for trouble is a poor choice of words, I don't think that he's advocating that the weak should give up rights to the strong. I don't

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Horn, John
Charlie Bell wrote Oooo... There's that nerve again. At least it wasn't *me* this time! It's going to get very tiresome if every time I disagree with something strongly, you claim it's a hit nerve... Looks like I hit ano...urk!! Oh wait... Nevermind. ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist.

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Horn, John wrote: Charlie Bell wrote Oooo... There's that nerve again. At least it wasn't *me* this time! It's going to get very tiresome if every time I disagree with something strongly, you claim it's a hit nerve... Looks like I hit ano...urk!! Oh wait...

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/10/2007, at 12:40 AM, Horn, John wrote: It's going to get very tiresome if every time I disagree with something strongly, you claim it's a hit nerve... Looks like I hit ano...urk!! Oh wait... Nevermind. ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist. Funny man... :-p Charlie

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:33 AM Thursday 10/11/2007, Charlie Bell wrote: On 11/10/2007, at 2:28 AM, Dan Minettte wrote: What you're saying is that the weak should give up their rights to the strong. Actually, while asking for trouble is a poor choice of words, I don't think that he's advocating that

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:49 AM Thursday 10/11/2007, Julia Thompson wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Horn, John wrote: Charlie Bell wrote Oooo... There's that nerve again. At least it wasn't *me* this time! It's going to get very tiresome if every time I disagree with something strongly, you claim it's a

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Robert Seeberger
On 10/11/2007 9:11:18 PM, Ronn! Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ohm, I! Isn't Williams motto: Ohm My God? xponent Resistance Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-10 Thread Charlie Bell
On 10/10/2007, at 7:23 AM, jon louis mann wrote: i think riders should do as least as much as drivers to accommodate each other, if for no other reason than they are more vulnerable. there is a too much hostility and frustration on the road to risk generating more. those sanctimonious

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-10 Thread Horn, John
Charlie Bell wrote Sanctimonious? How much of a snarl-up is asking for trouble? Oooo... There's that nerve again. At least it wasn't *me* this time! - jmh Woo Foo Maru CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-10 Thread Dan Minettte
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Bell Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:26 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: bikes v. cars On 10/10/2007, at 7:23 AM, jon louis mann wrote: i think riders should do as least

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-10 Thread jon louis mann
Sanctimonious? How much of a snarl-up is asking for trouble? i agree that the phrase asking for trouble, is a bad choice of words and can mean anything from provoking an attack to some aggressive, high dominant, alpha male or even bi-polar driver may run you over, or he/she is on the phone,

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-10 Thread Horn, John
JLM wrote: What is Woo Foo??? Woo Foo, grasshopper, is the ancient sacred art of the Woo Foo Warriors on the Disney Jetix show Yin Yang Yo! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin-Yang-Yo). It's actually a pretty annoying show but my kids love it. - jmh CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-10 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, jon louis mann wrote: What is Woo Foo??? jlm Very good question, and my brain hurts too much to verbalize the answer I have. :P (Really need to get to bed!) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-09 Thread Charlie Bell
On 09/10/2007, at 3:52 AM, Dan Minettte wrote: I have a question about your trip around Australia. Did you only travel on low traffic roads, or multi-lane roads, or roads with wide shoulders that can easily accommodate a bike? Most roads in Australia are what you'd call low traffic,

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-09 Thread Dan Minettte
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Bell Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:01 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: bikes v. cars Most roads in Australia are what you'd call low traffic, and anyway, there's absolutely

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-09 Thread Charlie Bell
On 09/10/2007, at 11:52 PM, Dan Minettte wrote: I agree with that statement, I've just been irritated by the exception who insist that, since bikes were better for the environment, rude actions like snarling traffic are justified. One of the reasons I asked is that I wanted to see

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-08 Thread Dan Minettte
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Bell Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:12 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: bikes v. cars I've noticed that despite the fact that the trike is only 30cm wider than my bike, cars

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-08 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Dan Minettte wrote: However, if they road in the main lane, they would not have coexisted well. Instead, there would be very long lines forming behind themat least scores of cars long, if not hundreds. On the road I was thinking of (FM 1488 from I 45 to US 290 for

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-08 Thread Dan Minettte
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:08 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: bikes v. cars On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Dan Minettte wrote: However, if they road in the main lane

RE: bikes v. cars

2007-10-08 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Dan Minettte wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:08 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: bikes v. cars On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Dan Minettte wrote

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/10/2007, at 8:17 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 03:55 PM Thursday 10/4/2007, jon louis mann wrote: The biggest problem with car driver in car-based cities is the general ignorance of rules applying to bicycles. Two abreast is legal just about everywhere, and a bicycle is *entitled*

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-05 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:40 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 04/10/2007, at 11:13 AM, jon louis mann wrote: pedestrians are not much better. i would think anyone ambulating by feet or bike would take more care because they are far more vulnerable. i notice a lot of bicyclists exhibit their share the

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/10/2007, at 5:11 AM, Dave Land wrote: On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:40 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 04/10/2007, at 11:13 AM, jon louis mann wrote: pedestrians are not much better. i would think anyone ambulating by feet or bike would take more care because they are far more vulnerable. i

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/10/2007, at 11:13 AM, jon louis mann wrote: i ride a bike and drive so i can see both sides. i am of the opinion that both groups exhibit extremely hostile and discourteous behavior, at least in los angeles. Some do. The biggest problem with car driver in car-based cities is

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-04 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 03:55 PM Thursday 10/4/2007, jon louis mann wrote: The biggest problem with car driver in car-based cities is the general ignorance of rules applying to bicycles. Two abreast is legal just about everywhere, and a bicycle is *entitled* to the *whole lane*. Even in LA. Most cyclists stay towards