At 06:20 PM 12/10/2004 -0600 Gary Denton wrote:
>Winning Democrats and their messages - It's no Da Vinci Code. Economic
>populism presented in American values form seems the common thread for
>winning campaigns in red states.
Well, Al Gore ran on the most explicitly populist message in a long tim
Winning Democrats and their messages - It's no Da Vinci Code. Economic
populism presented in American values form seems the common thread for
winning campaigns in red states. As red-region progressives show,
having the guts to stand up for middle America -- even when it draws
the ire of corporate A
On 10/12/2004, at 1:11 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 12:52:41AM +1100, Ray Ludenia wrote:
On 10/12/2004, at 12:27 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
Ray wrote:
PS: In other words John (and others), can we try to avoid this
pernickety nit-picking bickering on-list?
The correct spelling is persn
On Dec 9, 2004, at 5:52 AM, Ray Ludenia wrote:
On 10/12/2004, at 12:27 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
Ray wrote:
PS: In other words John (and others), can we try to avoid this
pernickety nit-picking bickering on-list?
The correct spelling is persnickety.
Picky! Pernickety is a perfectly acceptable synonym.
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 12:52:41AM +1100, Ray Ludenia wrote:
>
> On 10/12/2004, at 12:27 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
>
> >Ray wrote:
> >
> >>PS: In other words John (and others), can we try to avoid this
> >>pernickety nit-picking bickering on-list?
> >
> >The correct spelling is persnickety.
>
> Pic
On 10/12/2004, at 12:27 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
Ray wrote:
PS: In other words John (and others), can we try to avoid this
pernickety nit-picking bickering on-list?
The correct spelling is persnickety.
Picky! Pernickety is a perfectly acceptable synonym. Why waste
electrons on the superfluous s?
Re
Ray wrote:
> PS: In other words John (and others), can we try to avoid this
> pernickety nit-picking bickering on-list?
The correct spelling is persnickety
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On 09/12/2004, at 2:37 PM, JDG wrote:
or at least the message was claimed to be written by a JDG. From the
contents, it looks suspiciously like we may have been infiltrated by a
certain Dutchman again. :-(
Regards, Ray.
PS: In other words John (and others), can we try to avoid this
pernicke
At 06:51 AM 12/7/2004 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
>> Unless of course one is only allowed to post thought-provoking articles
>> that one agrees with on this List.
>
>As if. This seems to me to be a straw man.
Straw Man?I was accused of the following:
"JDG may want to have both ways: he posts (I
JDG wrote:
Unless of course one is only allowed to post thought-provoking articles
that one agrees with on this List.
As if. This seems to me to be a straw man.
In short, the future of the Democratic Party has been a topic for
discussion on this List.I read this article, and thought that the
a
On Dec 6, 2004, at 6:37 PM, JDG wrote:
At 11:24 AM 12/6/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
I like Dan's parsing of JDG's statement, but I see where Nick's coming
from, too. At the risk of drawing unwarranted conclusions about his
motives, JDG may want to have both ways: he posts (I read: "endorses")
an ar
On Dec 6, 2004, at 8:09 PM, Andrew Paul wrote:
From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that you miss the Christian perspective here: it is impossible
to
game the system, dealing with someone who knows you better than you
do:
God. It has to be more than an admission of sin, it has to b
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 02:09:15PM +1100, Andrew Paul wrote:
> except on certain occasions). And your example was what I was asking,
> if one can just repent, or one can be "pre-saved" what is the point.
Pre-emptive penance?
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> From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: "Andrew Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > I don't think that it is accurate to describe Bill Clinton as an
> > > "evangelical."
> > >
> > He's a Baptist. He fits within a broad category of
At 09:01 AM 12/6/2004 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
>I don't even know what you're betting on, Dan. I read an article that
>suggested the Democratic party might never win another election
>("perpetual defeat"). It was posted here by JDG, but JDG says he didn't
>bring up the idea that the Demcratic
At 01:09 PM 12/6/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
>I think (and I believe that JDG thinks) that he was quoting an article that
>was interesting, but too pessimistic for the Democrats. The article also
>give perpetual defeat as only a possible outcome, if the Democrats don't
>rethink their emphasis.
At 11:24 AM 12/6/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
>I like Dan's parsing of JDG's statement, but I see where Nick's coming
>from, too. At the risk of drawing unwarranted conclusions about his
>motives, JDG may want to have both ways: he posts (I read: "endorses")
>an article that presents evidence that t
On Dec 6, 2004, at 2:30 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Recognition of the present as the only observable reality. I don't
torture nuns because I would not like it if someone were to torture
me.
That's a reflection of "do onto others as you would have them do un
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To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: The Prospect on the Future of the Democrats
> Rich, who doesn't think most ath
Dan Minette wrote:
You are reading it wrong. No Christians think that we earn salvation...
Ah, but I'd hazard that we all act that way sometimes.
Nick
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From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: The Prospect on the Future of the Democrats
>
> Recognition of the present a
Warren said:
> That's the short-form answer to the question of why atheists aren't
> all thieving psychotic murderous drooling perverts.
So it's just me then?
Rich, who doesn't think most atheists are decent people because of their
lack of beliefs about metaphysics any more than he thinks that m
On Dec 6, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
However, lets assume that the system can be gamed...just for the
purpose
of arguementation. Then, Christians should expect to have the same
results
after they die, whether their actions are all good or all evil. This
is,
essentially, the percepti
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To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:39 AM
Subject: RE: The Prospect on the Future of the Democrats
> From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE
On Dec 6, 2004, at 9:01 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
which adds JDG's comment that this analysis, while quite interesting,
is
too gloomy.
I'll put a beer down on my bet, Nick. :-)
I don't even know what you're betting on, Dan. I read an article that
suggested the Democratic party mig
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From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: The Prospect on the Future of the Democrats
> Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > which
Dan Minette wrote:
which adds JDG's comment that this analysis, while quite interesting, is
too gloomy.
I'll put a beer down on my bet, Nick. :-)
I don't even know what you're betting on, Dan. I read an article that
suggested the Democratic party might never win another election
("perpetual defe
--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh please. While historians find Presidential
> documents to be absolutely
> invaluable for a number of purposes, the exercise of
> rating Presidents is
> not one of them.
That might have been true in the 19th century, John,
but it's certainly not true today.
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, while the numbers aren't as bad as they were for
> the Republicans in the
> '30s, they are definately going in the wrong
> direction for the Democrats.
>
> Dan M.
One more point to add to that list. In the popular
vote, no Democrat has drawn more
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From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: The Prospect on the Future of the Democrats
> JDG wrote:
>
> >>And thus
JDG wrote:
And thus the Democratic party has no future? Ridiculous.
So ridiculous, in fact, that I am not aware of anyone on this List who has
said such a thing.
Least of all me.
Not that that apparently would stop you
Do the words "in my opinion all too gloomy for the Democrats...
assessm
> From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > I don't think that it is accurate to describe Bill Clinton as an
> > "evangelical."
> >
> He's a Baptist. He fits within a broad category of "born again
> Christians"
> who know that they are already saved, so their actions cannot condemn
> the
At 08:15 PM 12/5/2004 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
>> Nick, if you think that the author was "endorsing" what you describe, then
>> you completely missed the point of the article. Dan beat me to the punch
>> here, but the author's point is that Republicans now control both house of
>> Congress, have
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Nick Arnett wrote:
> Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > He's a Baptist. He fits within a broad category of "born again Christians"
> > who know that they are already saved, so their actions cannot condemn them.
> > What's critical, of course, is that he speaks like a born again Chris
Dan Minette wrote:
He's a Baptist. He fits within a broad category of "born again Christians"
who know that they are already saved, so their actions cannot condemn them.
What's critical, of course, is that he speaks like a born again Christian
when he speaks of religion.
He joined a United Methodi
JDG wrote:
Nick, if you think that the author was "endorsing" what you describe, then
you completely missed the point of the article. Dan beat me to the punch
here, but the author's point is that Republicans now control both house of
Congress, have won the last two Presidential elections (despite
At 08:41 PM 12/5/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
>> At 04:01 PM 12/5/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
>> >I think focusing on just the White House race misses the point. The
>> >Democrats are not doing well across the board. GWB should have been a
>weak
>> >president because he bungles so much in offi
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From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: The Prospect on the Future of the Democrats
> At 04:01 PM 12/5/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
&g
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From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: The Prospect on the Future of the Democrats
> At 04:01 PM 12/5/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
>
At 04:01 PM 12/5/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
>Other ways of looking at the race are also not very impressive. The last
>Democrat president who was not a Southerner was Kennedy. The last one who
>was not an Evangelical was Johnson.
I don't think that it is accurate to describe Bill Clinton as
At 04:01 PM 12/5/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
>I think focusing on just the White House race misses the point. The
>Democrats are not doing well across the board. GWB should have been a weak
>president because he bungles so much in office. Gautam rated him D-, and I
>wouldn't call Gautam a ravi
At 07:58 AM 12/4/2004 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
>JDG wrote:
>> An interesting... and in my opinion all too gloomy for the Democrats...
>> assessment of the future of the Democratic Party.
>
> From the article:
>
>> During the fall campaign, many people said that this election was
>> the most impor
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From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: The Prospect on the Future of the Democrats
> JDG wrote:
> > An interesting...
JDG wrote:
An interesting... and in my opinion all too gloomy for the Democrats...
assessment of the future of the Democratic Party.
From the article:
During the fall campaign, many people said that this election was
“the most important of our lives.” It was, and when the Democrats
lost it, an er
An interesting... and in my opinion all too gloomy for the Democrats...
assessment of the future of the Democratic Party.
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=8869
JDG
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