Re: ZPG

2008-09-22 Thread Claes Wallin
Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 07:57 PM Wednesday 9/17/2008, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 17 Sep 2008 at 13:46, Dave Land wrote: Perhaps the reproduction tax incentive can be on a curve, with zero or

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2008-09-18 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Probably less after she's already conceived than if she's asking friends/acquaintances for advice before doing so. After conception, it's kind of hard to change course in most cases. in this country, women can

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2008-09-18 Thread John Garcia
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Probably less after she's already conceived than if she's asking friends/acquaintances for advice before doing so. After conception, it's kind of hard to change course in most cases. in this country, women can

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2008-09-18 Thread Jon Louis Mann
in this country, women can still have as many offspring as they can bear. welfare mommies actually profit from having more. jon You gotta be f**king kidding me! What are you doing? Channeling Reagan? john just being sardonic, john. when faced with a choice between working at

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2008-09-18 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Are you actually familiar with any welfare moms well enough to understand their finances? I don't believe anybody on welfare is coming out ahead by having more kids unless they are fake kids or some other kind of fraud. Nick actually, i had a neighbor who was living in section 8

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2008-09-18 Thread John Garcia
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: in this country, women can still have as many offspring as they can bear. welfare mommies actually profit from having more. jon You gotta be f**king kidding me! What are you doing? Channeling Reagan? john

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2008-09-18 Thread Dave Land
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Probably less after she's already conceived than if she's asking friends/acquaintances for advice before doing so. After conception, it's kind of hard to change course in most cases. in this country, women can

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2008-09-18 Thread Charlie Bell
On 19/09/2008, at 11:08 AM, Dave Land wrote: It was an urban legend and a filthy lie that a certain kind of politician used to smear fine people in the 1980s, and I doubt very much that actual welfare mommies of the kind you describe ever existed. I'm sure that they do exist having seen such

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2008-09-18 Thread Jon Louis Mann
in this country, women can still have as many offspring as they can bear. welfare mommies actually profit from having more. I know that others have noted the Reaganesque nature of this post, but I have to ask: cite please? It was an urban legend and a filthy lie that a certain kind of

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2008-09-17 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:24 PM Tuesday 9/16/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: So what selection criteria do you suggest be used? And again, are you volunteering to be first? First for what; are you suggesting that it's all my fault and I should commit suicide? No, it's just what I ask _everybody_ who

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2008-09-17 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 17, 2008, at 2:32 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Does not telling anyone else what they MUST do with their body extend to those who want to have children? If not, please justify why not. . . . ronn! :) Given that the act of having children is unique in that it has a collective

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2008-09-17 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:32 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:24 PM Tuesday 9/16/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: just because i make the observation that there are too many people on the planet doesn't mean it is entirely my responsibility to correct the problem, ronn, any more than it is my

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2008-09-17 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Does not telling anyone else what they MUST do with their body extend to those who want to have children? If not, please justify why not. . . . ronn! :) I can't make them NOT have children, any more than I can make people not use drugs. Whether it is the body of the planet or our own

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2008-09-17 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Does not telling anyone else what they MUST do with their body extend to those who want to have children? If not, please justify why not. . . . ronn! :) I can't make them NOT have children, any more than I can make people not use

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2008-09-17 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Jon Louis Mann wrote: I can't make them NOT have children, any more than I can make people not use drugs. Whether it is the body of the planet or our own bodies, people will do what they want unless they are restricted by government. There are autocratic ways to do this, as in China.

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2008-09-17 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 17 Sep 2008 at 13:46, Dave Land wrote: Perhaps the reproduction tax incentive can be on a curve, with zero or less population growth being rewarded, over-reproduction being penalized: 0 children -- 3 deductions 1 child-- 2 deduction 2 children -- 1 deductions 3 children -- 1

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2008-09-17 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 03:06 PM Wednesday 9/17/2008, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:32 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:24 PM Tuesday 9/16/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: just because i make the observation that there are too many people on the planet doesn't mean it is entirely my responsibility to

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2008-09-17 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 03:21 PM Wednesday 9/17/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Does not telling anyone else what they MUST do with their body extend to those who want to have children? If not, please justify why not. . . . ronn! :) I can't make them NOT have children, any more than I can make people not use

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2008-09-17 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 17, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 03:06 PM Wednesday 9/17/2008, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:32 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:24 PM Tuesday 9/16/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: just because i make the observation that there are too many people on the planet

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2008-09-17 Thread Euan Ritchie
But are these ways _efficient_? China population didn't stop growing, despite the 1-kid-per-couple law. I saw a documentary about a chinese girl that worked as a slave in some export-oriented industry; she was an unperson, an illegal child that was not registered - probably most girls are

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2008-09-17 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 17, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 17 Sep 2008 at 13:46, Dave Land wrote: Perhaps the reproduction tax incentive can be on a curve, with zero or less population growth being rewarded, over-reproduction being penalized: 0 children -- 3 deductions 1 child-- 2

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2008-09-17 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 07:57 PM Wednesday 9/17/2008, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 17 Sep 2008 at 13:46, Dave Land wrote: Perhaps the reproduction tax incentive can be on a curve, with zero or less population growth being rewarded, over-reproduction being

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2008-09-17 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 07:57 PM Wednesday 9/17/2008, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 17 Sep 2008 at 13:46, Dave Land wrote: Perhaps the reproduction tax incentive can be on a curve, with zero or less population growth

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2008-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/09/2008, at 11:32 AM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I for one would particularly like there to be a simulation environment that could be used to catch unintended consequences like these, as well as alpha and beta test environments with some degree of user acceptance testing and feedback, before

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2008-09-17 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:45 PM Wednesday 9/17/2008, Charlie Bell wrote: On 18/09/2008, at 11:32 AM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I for one would particularly like there to be a simulation environment that could be used to catch unintended consequences like these, as well as alpha and beta test environments with some

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2008-09-17 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:32 PM Wednesday 9/17/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 07:57 PM Wednesday 9/17/2008, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 17 Sep 2008 at 13:46, Dave Land wrote: Perhaps the reproduction tax

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2008-09-17 Thread William T Goodall
On 18 Sep 2008, at 02:45, Charlie Bell wrote: On 18/09/2008, at 11:32 AM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I for one would particularly like there to be a simulation environment that could be used to catch unintended consequences like these, as well as alpha and beta test environments with some

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2008-09-17 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Probably less after she's already conceived than if she's asking friends/acquaintances for advice before doing so. After conception, it's kind of hard to change course in most cases. in this country, women can still have as many offspring as they can bear. welfare mommies actually

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2008-09-17 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Many people (most of whom have children) say that being a DINK is its own reward. Children are expensive: much more expensive than the tax deduction offsets. . . . ronn! :) which is why those who can afford children will continue to have their 2.3. and those who can't have welfare!~)

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2008-09-17 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Congratulations, you just lowered the birth rate again among the very people who are not even currently producing a replacement population, and the groups who want lots of children anyway are now bitterly opposed to the government and are very unlike to listen to anything else they say

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2008-09-17 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Congratulations, you just lowered the birth rate again among the very people who are not even currently producing a replacement population, and the groups who want lots of children anyway are now bitterly opposed to the government and are very unlike to listen to anything else they say

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2008-09-17 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Congratulations, you just lowered the birth rate again among the very people who are not even currently producing a replacement population, and the groups who want lots of children anyway are now bitterly opposed to the government and are very unlike to listen to anything else they say

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2008-09-17 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Congratulations, you just lowered the birth rate again among the very people who are not even currently producing a replacement population, and the groups who want lots of children anyway are now bitterly opposed to the government and are very unlike to listen to anything else they say

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2008-09-17 Thread Pat Mathews
-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: ZPG Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:38:07 +0100 On 18 Sep 2008, at 02:45, Charlie Bell wrote: On 18/09/2008, at 11:32 AM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I for one would particularly like there to be a simulation environment that could be used to catch unintended

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2008-09-17 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:21 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Many people (most of whom have children) say that being a DINK is its own reward. Children are expensive: much more expensive than the tax deduction offsets. . . . ronn! :) which is why those who can afford children will continue to

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2008-09-16 Thread Jon Louis Mann
So what selection criteria do you suggest be used? And again, are you volunteering to be first? First for what; are you suggesting that it's all my fault and I should commit suicide? No, it's just what I ask _everybody_ who suggests that approaching 7 billion (or whatever the