Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-10-08 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] much snippage Or can ideas in calculus be expressed (albiet not as succintly) in other forms of math that existed at the time? (I've never taken calculus, so I really am curious.) They can even be

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-10-08 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: Re: memorization vs. idea space position --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] much

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-10-08 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:00 AM 10/9/03 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: Re: memorization vs. idea space position --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-10-06 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP The same is true only more so with electronic music. Complex electronic timbres can be hard to pin down right away, but I can usually create the sound I'm hearing in my head with some time and trial and error. I appreciate the

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-10-06 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: For example, as a composer, I sometimes think in sound. Most of the time if I hear a certain melody or harmony or tone color in my head, I can translate that to written music or synthesizer settings or code in c-sound, but sometimes I hear one of the above (especially tone

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-10-06 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You (Dan) said above, I just don't understand how you [can] know exactly what you want but not be able to map it onto any nominal means of recording musical thought. The answer is that I *can* map it, it just takes some time sometimes to make the

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-10-06 Thread Robert Seeberger
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Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-10-06 Thread Reggie Bautista
Jan asked: Reggie, Hove you never hadthe experience of hearing a timber and then ~not~ being able to re-create it, not even close? Yes and no. I've had the experience of looking at a picture of a waveform and imagining what it must sound like, and being completely wrong; I've looked at the math

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-10-06 Thread Reggie Bautista
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Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-10-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: Re: memorization vs. idea space position I wrote: I pretty much agree with the rest of your post, but I disagree about this point. Yes

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-29 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: I pretty much agree with the rest of your post, but I disagree about this point. Yes, sometimes have ideas with potential but that are not fleshed out, but there are other circumstances where someone can actually have a great idea but honestly have trouble translating it into

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-29 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan replied: One of the interesting parts of this is that this question is not well suited to empirical verification. We are discussing ideas that are worthwhile, but never get communicated to the outside world. I think it is safe to say that

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: Re: memorization vs. idea space position Dan wrote: As Doug has pointed out, language is a system. I like to think of the metaphor of idea space

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-21 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I'm rather skeptical of people who say they have a great idea that they just cannot communicate to anyone. But, lets just suppose that there is someone who has come up with a conceptualization of a grand unified theory that they cannot

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-21 Thread David Hobby
... Thinking some more about it, it seems that new forms of math are as likely a candidate as any for ideas that cannot be expressed symbolically. But, I've never heard of a mathematical system who's rules exist, but cannot be described in terms of things already know to other mathematicians.

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-20 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: snip That's a good question. As Doug has pointed out, language is a system. I like to think of the metaphor of idea space where the words both defines the space and is embedded in the space. If one includes math as a

memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-19 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:43 AM Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just checked sample SAT tests, and they didn't have

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-19 Thread Reggie Bautista
Dan wrote: As Doug has pointed out, language is a system. I like to think of the metaphor of idea space where the words both defines the space and is embedded in the space. If one includes math as a language, there is a strong arguement that there are no ideas apart from language. Indeed most

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-19 Thread Kevin Tarr
snip That's a good question. As Doug has pointed out, language is a system. I like to think of the metaphor of idea space where the words both defines the space and is embedded in the space. If one includes math as a language, there is a strong arguement that there are no ideas apart from

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-19 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:43 AM Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: memorization vs. idea space position

2003-09-19 Thread Julia Thompson
Kevin Tarr wrote: snip That's a good question. As Doug has pointed out, language is a system. I like to think of the metaphor of idea space where the words both defines the space and is embedded in the space. If one includes math as a language, there is a strong arguement that there