Re: When Atheists Attack (another in our endless series of cut-n-paste screeds)

2008-11-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 4 Nov 2008 at 8:39, Julia Thompson wrote: There's a huge difference between atheists, even militant ones, and psychos who go around attacking other people on the basis of what religion the other people subscribe to. Sorry Julia, but bullshit. It's precisely the same - attacking someone

Re: Obama and the 'Drug Killer'

2008-11-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 4 Nov 2008 at 7:42, John Williams wrote: It seems to me that the free market does a poor job in this regard; It seems to me the government does a poor job in this regard. I don't want a bunch of politicians deciding which drugs to spend my money on. I'm perfectly capable of deciding

RE: Obama and the 'Drug Killer'

2008-11-05 Thread Curtis Burisch
Andrew Crystall wrote: It seems to me that the free market does a poor job in this regard; It seems to me the government does a poor job in this regard. I don't want a bunch of politicians deciding which drugs to spend my money on. I'm perfectly capable of deciding for myself. Well,

RE: Obama and the 'Drug Killer'

2008-11-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 5 Nov 2008 at 10:58, Curtis Burisch wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: It seems to me that the free market does a poor job in this regard; It seems to me the government does a poor job in this regard. I don't want a bunch of politicians deciding which drugs to spend my money on.

OT: Q. on Stirling's _In the Courts of the Crimson Kings_

2008-11-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Presuming that anyone here has read any of it . . . (Pretty much spoiler-free. Please try to keep it that way!) • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • I picked it up off the To Be Read pile yesterday morning and started it. The only attendee at the 1962 WorldCon who

Re: When Atheists Attack (another in our endless series of cut-n-paste screeds)

2008-11-05 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:49 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: There's a huge difference between atheists, even militant ones, and psychos who go around attacking other people on the basis of what religion the other people subscribe to. Sorry Julia, but bullshit. It's precisely the same - attacking

Proud and relieved

2008-11-05 Thread Nick Arnett
For the first time in a long time, I'm feeling quite proud of what this country has done. Not simply that we chose the guy I supported, gave money to and voted for, but that we made a strong choice for a very different direction. It is also because of Wes and all the rest that gave their lives

GOP 2012

2008-11-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Your heard it first from me! Joe the Plumber 2012 for the GOP!!! :-P Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Getting decent news without cable or satellite TV...

2008-11-05 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Smart-Aleck response #1 would be something about whether the news one gets anytime (not just election day) with or without cable or satellite TV could ever be described as decent . . . Are the newscasters wearing enough clothing? Julia

Weekly Chat Reminder

2008-11-05 Thread William T Goodall
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over ten years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over

Michael Crichton Dies

2008-11-05 Thread johngar
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/michael-crichton-dies/?hp ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Proud and relieved

2008-11-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There is one thing that Obama has done that truly, at last addresses our grief. He calls for a national spirit of sacrifice, finally ending the arrogance of leadership that urged us to live life as usual -- go shopping! -- while others carried

Re: Speaking of unicorns

2008-11-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008 At least, unicorns were mentioned in some other thread today http://www.democraticstuff.com/Unicorns-for-Obama-Photo-Button-p/bt23828.htm That site has an awful lot of buttons for sale. Many of them are

Re: OT: Q. on Stirling's _In the Courts of the Crimson Kings_

2008-11-05 Thread David Hobby
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Presuming that anyone here has read any of it . . . (Pretty much spoiler-free. Please try to keep it that way!) • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • I picked it up off the To Be Read pile

Re: Proud and relieved

2008-11-05 Thread Claes Wallin
Deborah Harrell wrote: *McCain's concession speech was very much a class act; I did not think he would be a particularly good president, but he is a good man. I would like to also point out the wonderful Saturday Night Live appearance where McCain plays himself and makes fun of his own

In the Court of the Crimson King

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Hi. I read it, but several months ago, and wasn't too good with the authors at the start. I got the obvious ones, guessed at the rest, and kept on reading. If no one else knows, you may have to give us a bit of dialogue to jog our memories. ---David Feral Engines,

Proud and relieved

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I would like to also point out the wonderful Saturday Night Live appearance where McCain plays himself and makes fun of his own situation. It takes a great man to do that just days before his probable defeat. Gave me a glimpse of the man he was before the election campaigns started

Proud and relieved

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
*McCain's concession speech was very much a class act; I did not think he would be a particularly good president, but he is a good man. Debbi He certainly was when he was a POW, but then, if he had come home early he would never have been able to live it down. He had a serious anger

Proud and relieved

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
For the first time in a long time, I'm feeling quite proud of what this country has done. There is one thing that Obama has done that truly, at last addresses our grief. He calls for a national spirit of sacrifice, finally ending the arrogance of leadership that urged us to live life

people like me

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
you know very well what i mean about being forced to accept a usurious interest rate, because people like me don't have disposable capital and high credit ratings. Actually, I don't know what you mean, which is why I asked. If you don't like the terms of the loan, then why borrow the

Re: Proud and relieved

2008-11-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: *McCain's concession speech was very much a class act; I did not think he would be a particularly good president, but he is a good man. He certainly was when he was a POW, but then, if he had come home early he would never have been

Re: In the Court of the Crimson King

2008-11-05 Thread David Hobby
Jon Louis Mann wrote: Hi. I read it, but several months ago, and wasn't too good with the authors at the start. I got the obvious ones, guessed at the rest, and kept on reading. If no one else knows, you may have to give us a bit of dialogue to jog our memories.

Franklin Delano Obama

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
The problem is that our economy has changed, and we no longer get the kind of war boost that we got during WWII. Then, we were a heavy industrial economy and the massive build up of production was labor intensive and created millions of new jobs and massive stimulus. Now, both the nature

In the Court of the Crimson King

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I suspect it is; Sterling puts in a bunch of cute touches. It would be hard to prove, though, since a lot of the story is about the Emperor of Mars. This sequence of stories is set in an alternate world where the naive science fiction that populated every planet with humanoid aliens turns

Re: people like me

2008-11-05 Thread John Williams
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: duh; it was the only way i could become a home owner... So you wanted to own a home, and you chose to borrow money to achieve your desire. I don't see where the force is coming in.

more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
duh; it was the only way i could become a home owner... So you wanted to own a home, and you chose to borrow money to achieve your desire. I don't see where the force is coming in. okay, here we go again, troll. are you having fun? if i wanted to achieve the american dream i would be

Re: more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread Olin Elliott
of course, i could choose to be a renter instead, and pay off someone else's mortgage. double duh... But a lot of us made exactly that choice Jon -- we chose not to try and buy because we thought it was too risky and we weren't sure we'd be able to afford it in the future. Granted, if I have

more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
of course, i could choose to be a renter instead, and pay off someone else's mortgage. double duh... But a lot of us made exactly that choice Jon -- we chose not to try and buy because we thought it was too risky and we weren't sure we'd be able to afford it in the future. Granted, if I

Re: more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread John Williams
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if i wanted to achieve the american dream i would be forced to borrow at usurious terms. So when you write forced in quotes, you really mean not forced. No one forced you, or people like you, to borrow money at terms you

more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
if i wanted to achieve the american dream i would be forced to borrow at usurious terms. So when you write forced in quotes, you really mean not forced. No one forced you, or people like you, to borrow money at terms you did not like. You chose to do so. Don't you think it is better to

Re: more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread John Williams
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know what i mean is more like a form of coercion under duress when one has no choice but to accept the banker's terms, since they control the regulators. How exactly were you coerced under duress? Did they kidnap

Glee overseas as Obama wins

2008-11-05 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117995346.html?categoryId=3230cs=1 Barack Obama's historic victory was greeted around the world with reactions ranging from hope to hostility. In Kenya, Obama's ancestral home, folks danced in the street, while in Moscow, President Dmitry Medvedev took the

From The Archives

2008-11-05 Thread Rceeberger
Me: Tue Jul 27 19:03:48 PDT 2004 OK, I'm ready to vote for Barack Obama for President. Wow! What a dynamic speaker. He was really able to elucidate much of what I feel about America. xponent Encore!!! Maru rob xponent I Found It Maru rob ___

Re: Proud and relieved

2008-11-05 Thread William T Goodall
On 5 Nov 2008, at 15:45, Nick Arnett wrote: I am proud of what we have begun and look forward, yes, to what we can do. http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/black_man_given_nations WASHINGTON—African-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least- desirable job in the entire

Re: Speaking of unicorns

2008-11-05 Thread Bryon Daly
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: At least, unicorns were mentioned in some other thread today http://www.democraticstuff.com/Unicorns-for-Obama-Photo-Button-p/bt23828.htm Another candidate has apparently gone a step further and put a uni on his

Re: Proud and relieved

2008-11-05 Thread Bryon Daly
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am proud of what we have begun and look forward, yes, to what we can do. It's a historic event and while this sounds goofy to say - I'm proud to have taken part in it in some