date:20040310

 From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 At 01:58 AM 3/9/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:

http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2004-03-04/news.html/1/index.html

 
 
 Congressional candidate Mike Murphy feels the strong arm of the GOP  
 BY JOHN GONZALEZ
 
 Death Threats?   

There was a very clear and unmistakable death threat.

 Klansmen?

The GOP has shown over and over again that they are the party of:
Racists, White Supremacists, The Confedarate south, White Pride
Rebublican Scholarships, the Party of Pickering and Pryor and Roy Moore
and Rick man-on-dog Santorum. 

Klansmen Vote Republican.
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RE: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-10 Thread ritu

Jan Coffey wrote:

  And as for the criminal bit, well, it isn't some shady, underground,
  fly-by-the-night illegal operation. These contracts follow the laws 
 of
  two countries and are in tune with the concept of globalisation.
 
 No actualy it is not in line with the laws we ~use~ to have. Or at 
 least what was expected when these companies were given tax breaks.
 
 We all voted for that becouse we thought it woudl creat more jobs for 
 ~us~. W knew we would have to make up the difference, but we did it 
 anyway becouse it was what was good for our country. The companies 
 are not playing fair, or nice. So now we want laws to make sure they 
 do what is right for the US first.

I didn't say these contracts were in line with laws these countries
_used_ to have or _want_ to have.  :)

   I am not justifying that emotional response, only pointing it 
 out, 
   and asking what should be done about it.
  
  And I am just asking what these people would like the Indians to 
 do. 
 
  Insist on being paid the salary
  of their US counterparts? 
 
 Bingo! And if you don't we should make tax laws which equalize it. 
 Not only is it good for the US worker, but it would be good for the 
 government coffers.

You guys are free to do whatever you want. But why would you expect
Indians to make such a foolish move? Who in their right mind would
demand a salary which would never be paid? Especially when they are
satisfied with the salary which is already being paid?

  As far as I can make out, the salient point here is that a choice 
 was
  offered and that the second mechanic neither used
  guns/threats/blackmail, nor got into the car and drove it away.
 
 Your forgetting, that we built these compnaies, our tax dollars and 
 society have supproted the ability of these companies to be what they 
 are, they are ~our~ companies. We have supported them and fostered 
 them, and worked for them and built them for ~our~ society. 

No, I am not forgetting any such thing. Nor have I heard anybody ever
claim that these companies were Indian or that they exist for the good
of the Indian society. But what you seem to be forgetting is that
according to the your economic system, these companies don't belong to
the American people per se. If they did, the companies would be
nationalised and we'd probably not be having this discussion.


 If we 
 thought that they would simply abandon America we would never have 
 given them tax breaks, we would never have allowed them the kind of 
 freedoms to grow, we wouldn't have worked the increadably long hours 
 (in comparison ot our contrymen  women) over the past decade to make 
 the US technology industry what it is today. Why would we do that if 
 they are just going to rob us of the benifit, 

Then do what it takes to stop the process. Who's stopping you? Not
Indians, that's for sure.

  The other
  part of the reason being the backlash being felt in US and Europe.
 
 Yea well, like I said it's NOT an open economy, you have every right 
 to try and produce your own companies which then sell their product 
 to us. But when you start doing the same work for slavery wages, and 
 selling the work, not the product, there are 2 problems. First you 
 are SLAVES. 

Since when is selling services the same as slavery? Whether a wage is a
slave-wage or not depends on how far that amount goes in the country
where it is being paid. These wages aren't slave-wages here. 

 Second, you make enemies of our people, and believe it or 
 not, our people really do have the power here eventualy. The 
 governement may lag our opinions and beliefs, but in then end, India 
 may find that they are an enemy. Not the goverment doing wrong kind 
 of enemy, but the people hate kind. 

If the American people are going to hate the Indians because the latter
are not refusing jobs in order to help the former keep 1% or less of the
jobs being destroyed [apparently that is the Indian share], then I don't
see much point worrying about it. In such a scenario, sooner or later,
the Americans *would* find a reason to hate the Indians anyway...such
people would be hard to keep happy.

Fwiw, I don't see it happening though. I think I have more faith in the
innate fairness and decency of the common American than you do. :)

 If you have so much trouble finding jobs for a decent living then I 
 have one very important bit of advice. If you can't afford the well 
 being of a child, then don't have one. It's not advice that I myself 
 have not taken to hart, so I don't feel the least bit rude in making 
 it to others.

*l*

And if the Indians ever start whining that the Merkins owe them these
jobs, please feel free to offer this decidely unoriginal advice again.

   Do you see, we are breading classism...but then I guess that is 
   nothing to Indea, where classism is common place. 
  
  Don't you think the last comment was a bit below the belt? 
 
 Not at all, if the market were open, the first thing anyone here 
 would require is

Do as I say, not as I do Democrats

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleyindependent/news/s_183239.html

State lawmaker accused of drunken driving

Friday, March 05, 2004
By Ed Blazina, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
State Rep. David Levdansky, D-Forward, is scheduled for a hearing next 
month on drunken driving and other charges as the result of an incident 
over the weekend in Rostraver.

The criminal complaint stated Levdansky's blood-alcohol content registered 
at 0.16 percent. A person is considered legally drunk in Pennsylvania at 0.08.

snipped lawyer talk David stands by his vote of reducing the 
blood-alcohol content (in the state) to 0.08.

Kevin T. - VRWC
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RE: Banks' Culture Was: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-10 Thread ChadCooper

 -Original Message-
 From: ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:12 PM
 To: 'Killer Bs Discussion'
 Subject: RE: Banks' Culture Was: Race to the Bottom

 RobertS wrote:

   Rob said:

In heavily toward a Libertarian origin for the Culture. I don't
  see
how a Socialist movement would ever give up power and control.

   Since when did the Minds give up power and control? Or are you
  talking
   about those insignificant humanoids they humour?

  Of course! G

  I can't see socialist giving up power even to a machine.

 Well, they don't have to give up the power voluntarilybut 
 they would have been easier to talk/dupe/finesse out of power.

I am curious as to why you think this. Its hard to judge since we have not
seen evil libertarians in power yet. It seems to me that this would be a
function of power, and not ideology. I guess my thought question here is ...

If Evil Libertarians ruled the world, how hard would it be to despot this
form of government? This is an important distinction, since powerful
government is needed to enforce libertarian values. What makes
libertarianism so damn special?

Nerd From Hell

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RE: I think I almost died last night

2004-03-10 Thread Deborah Harrell

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[regarding Rob's scary dyspneic episode]

 Having experienced something like this a few times,
 I would say it was acid
 reflux. You were lucky in that you did not actually
 throw up or actually aspirate some of that acid. 
 
 You probably slept wrong on the couch. You had just
 ate, and had a
 carbonated drink before it happened.
 Now you know what to avoid to keep it from happening
 again. 

It sounds like reflux to me also.  Not to add to your
anxiety, but severe chronic reflux can cause definite
medical problems, so as others suggested you should
get this checked out.  Also, avoid alcohol near
bedtime (it interferes with 'sphincter' function
between the stomach and esophagus, which is supposed
to prevent reflux from occurring).

Debbi
who is glad you didn't suck down a lungful of stomach
acid, 'cause *that* is one nasty pneumonia-inducer!
(well, technically it's a chemical pneumonitis, but
that sets up a banquet for various bugs to enjoy...)

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Re: Bush Administration suckered?

At 07:33 AM 3/9/2004 -0800 Matt Grimaldi wrote:
Has anyone considered that the U.S. wants to have the
ability to project power in that region, and that the
enironment for doing so from bases in Saudi Arabia is
taking a turn for the worse.  Regardless of how the
Iraqi government shapes up, we will have to maintain
forces in Iraq to help defend their borders for a
long time to come.  How convienent...

Raises hand!Yes, in fact I have specifically cited the above as a
reasonable justification for the war.

JDG - But who also thinks that if once Iraq gets going their democratically
elected Legislature asks us to leave that the US will oblige them
especially since our bases in Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, the UAE, and Oman are
ultimately sufficient for our needs.
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Comets May Spread Life Into InterStellar Space

   http://www.spacedaily.com/news/life-04j.html


Comets Spread Earth-Life Around Galaxy, Say Scientists

Cardiff - Feb 11, 2004
If comets hitting the Earth could cause ecological disasters, including
extinctions of species and climate change, they could also disperse
Earth-life to the most distant parts of the Galaxy.
The splash-back from a large comet impact could throw material containing
micro-organisms out of the planet's atmosphere, suggest scientists from
Cardiff University Centre for Astrobiology.

Although some of this outflowing material might become sterilised by heat
and radiation, they believe that a significant fraction would survive. As
the Earth and the Solar system go round the centre of the galaxy every 240
million years, this viable bacterial outflow would infect hundreds of
millions of nascent planetary systems on the way. Hence, they suggest, the
transfer of Earth life across the galaxy is inevitable.

These ideas are discussed in detail in two papers appearing in the current
issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

The authors of the two papers are Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe and Dr
Max Wallis, of the Cardiff Centre for Astrobiology, and Professor Bill
Napier, an astronomer at Armagh Observatory and an Honorary Professor at
Cardiff University.

Interstellar routes for transmission of micro-organisms supports the view
that life may not have originated on Earth but arrived from elsewhere,
strengthening the panspermia theory that Professor Wickramasinghe and the
late Sir Fred Hoyle had been developing since 1974.

It is known that boulders and other debris may be thrown from the Earth
into interplanetary space. Professor Napier finds that collisions with
interplanetary dust will quickly erode the ejected boulders to much smaller
fragments and that these tiny, life-bearing fragments may be driven out of
the solar system by the pressure of sunlight in a few years.

The solar system could, therefore, be surrounded by an expanding 'biodisc',
30 or more light years across, of dormant microbes preserved inside tiny
rock fragments. In the course of Earth history there may have been a few
dozen close encounters with star-forming nebulae, during which microbes
might be injected directly into young planetary systems.

If planets capable of sustaining life are sufficiently common in the
Galaxy, the Cardiff based scientists conclude that this mechanism could
have infected over 10,000 million of them during the lifetime of our Galaxy.

Dr Wallis and Professor Wickramasinghe have also identified another
potential delivery route. They point out that fertile Earth ejecta would,
on impact, bury themselves in the radiation-shielded surface layers of
frozen comets.

A belt of such comets, the Edgeworth-Kuiper belt, lies beyond the planetary
system. This belt gradually leaks comets into interstellar space, some of
which will eventually reach proto-planetary discs and star-forming nebulae.
There they are destroyed by collisions and erosion, releasing any trapped
micro-organisms and seeding the formative planetary systems.

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Ping...

2004-03-10 Thread Horn, John

Pong...

 - jmh

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Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-10 Thread William T Goodall

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/03/07/ 
MNGRT5G2C11.DTL

Jobs are more likely to be shipped overseas from Silicon Valley than  
any other region in the nation, placing the Bay Area's economic engine  
directly in the path of the global freight train known as offshoring.

 Specifically, 1 in 6 jobs in Silicon Valley are at risk of being sent  
abroad, compared with only 1 in 10 positions nationwide, according to  
researchers at UC Berkeley. The economists estimate that 1 in 7 San  
Francisco jobs could be exported.

snip

-- Oracle Corp. of Redwood Shores has more than doubled its staff in  
India since 2002; it now has 4,200 workers there.

 -- PeopleSoft Inc. in Pleasanton recently said it will hire 1,000  
additional people in India, tripling its headcount there, by the end of  
2004.

 -- Hewlett-Packard Co., founded in Palo Alto, has increased its staff  
in India to 8,000 as part of the company's cost-cutting strategy.

 -- Cisco Systems Inc. of San Jose employs 600 workers in India.

 Many other firms are following suit, although few companies are very  
open about it.

snip

If workers who lose their jobs to offshoring stay in the same field,  
they probably can expect to earn less, Bardhan said. Those wages are  
going to stagnate, he said.

 At the same time, looking to other industries often leads to a smaller  
paycheck, too.

 When re-employment happens in another sector, that's when the  
earnings losses tend to be larger, said Lynn Karoly, an economist with  
Rand, a research concern that recently published a report on trends in  
employment.

 Another study by the left-wing Economic Policy Institute shows that  
industries gaining jobs in the United States pay an average of 21  
percent less than job-losing industries. In California, growing  
industries pay 40 percent less than those that are contracting.

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Re: Comets May Spread Life Into InterStellar Space

In a message dated 3/10/2004 2:37:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 suggest scientists from
 Cardiff University Centre for Astrobiology

Ah. A Wales of a tail.
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Re: Ping...

In a message dated 3/10/2004 2:38:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 
 Pong...
 
 - jmh
 
 

Somebody must be hard of hearing, as two large delivery trucks just pulled 
up.

Vilyehm Teighlore.
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Busy server

2004-03-10 Thread Nick Arnett

Our mail server has had a very busy day... couldn't really handle the 
peak load.  So things are quite backed up.  This message will take a 
while to go out, too!  There are about 10,000 messages in our queue, so 
who knows how long it'll take to clear.

Nick
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RE: I think I almost died last night

From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: I think I almost died last night
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:46:25 -0800 (PST)
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[regarding Rob's scary dyspneic episode]
 Having experienced something like this a few times,
 I would say it was acid
 reflux. You were lucky in that you did not actually
 throw up or actually aspirate some of that acid.

 You probably slept wrong on the couch. You had just
 ate, and had a
 carbonated drink before it happened.
 Now you know what to avoid to keep it from happening
 again.
It sounds like reflux to me also.  Not to add to your
anxiety, but severe chronic reflux can cause definite
medical problems, so as others suggested you should
get this checked out.
Medical problems can range from asthma (caused by stomach acid leaking into 
the chest cavity and burning the lungs) to minor acid burns in the esophagus 
and intestines.  GERD can also cause severe dental problems over time 
similar to those suffered by bulimics and anorexics.  Stomach acid washing 
back into the mouth will eat away at the back molars over time giving them a 
pitted, swiss cheese appearance.

Also, avoid alcohol near
bedtime (it interferes with 'sphincter' function
between the stomach and esophagus, which is supposed
to prevent reflux from occurring).
Better yet, avoid alcohol, smoking and spicy food altogether. :)

Debbi
who is glad you didn't suck down a lungful of stomach
acid, 'cause *that* is one nasty pneumonia-inducer!
(well, technically it's a chemical pneumonitis, but
that sets up a banquet for various bugs to enjoy...)
It burns like heck too! :(

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Weekly Chat Reminder

Thought I'd do this, since my last post got through and I'm not sure Steve's 
are...

This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat is scheduled 
for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time, so 
it's already started There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at 
least eight hours after the start time.

See Steve's helpful instruction page for help getting there:
http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html
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privacy/transparence

Besides the obvious, does anyone know a good legal source for government 
openness information? There was a tiff at work today that almost broke down 
into a yes they can/no they can't fight. I agree with the yes they 
can side, but the other party is more knowledgeable. (I was only a spectator.)

I'm saying this in generalities: certain forms are mailed out to businesses 
which contain public data specific to that company; the information is not 
private or secret. However, (I'm assuming) a person would have to leave a 
paper trail to get this public data through the freedom of information act 
(if the company doesn't share it already). Right now an employee has to 
have permission/access to the info and there is an internal log of 
who/what/when it's viewed.

We have a printing function which could save all of the printed forms' 
data. One file, all the info in a format that anyone could access. So it'd 
be all the info on any company in that print job, in a PC friendly format. 
An unscrupulous employee could copy the file to a disk, take it to an 
anonymous e-mailer and send it anywhere.

The one side doesn't want that function for that reason, security; while 
the other says it's public data anyway. (and I'm realizing, this could 
apply to internal reports that are not mailed/contain private info).

Ah well, fun at work.

Kevin T. - VRWC
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RE: I think I almost died last night


Better yet, avoid alcohol, smoking and spicy food altogether. :)

Jon


Yeah right! (Just making fun of that idea. But...) I don't smoke and have 
gone months without the spicy food and alcohol with no benefit. While there 
may be no correlation, my AR started after I began eating healthier foods; 
more bread/pasta/rice, fruits, veggies.

Can as easily say buying a house or going back to school started it.

Kevin T. - VRWC
Going to die anyway 
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Re: Weekly Chat Reminder

2004-03-10 Thread Steve Sloan II

Jon Gabriel wrote:

 Thought I'd do this, since my last post got through and I'm
 not sure Steve's are...
I actually just forgot, but I'm really glad you remembered.
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Re: Weekly Chat Reminder

From: Steve Sloan II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Weekly Chat Reminder
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:52:59 -0600
Jon Gabriel wrote:

 Thought I'd do this, since my last post got through and I'm
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I actually just forgot, but I'm really glad you remembered.
Thanks!
You're welcome! :)

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Exploding $20 bills?

2004-03-10 Thread Gary Nunn


This site seems to be along the same caliber as The Onion At least
I think they are kidding :-)

RFID Tags in New US Notes Explode When You Try to Microwave Them

http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904rfidtagsexplode.html



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Re: ReptiliKlan Lies Caught on Tape + Intimidation + Death Threat

I'm definitely watching too many DS9 dvd's.  ReptiliKlan sounds like a 
Jem'Hadar moniker.
:-D
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Re: Exploding $20 bills?

 From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 This site seems to be along the same caliber as The Onion At
least
 I think they are kidding :-)
 
 RFID Tags in New US Notes Explode When You Try to Microwave Them
 
 http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904rfidtagsexplode.html

No they're wingnuts.

New 20's have a small wire in them.  Put a large stack of New 20's
together and they'll set off a metal detector...

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Re: Exploding $20 bills?

In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:40:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 RFID Tags in New US Notes Explode When You Try to Microwave Them
 
 



 New 20's have a small wire in them.  Put a large stack of New 20's
 together and they'll set off a metal detector...
 
 

Why would you want to put 20s in a microwave?

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America, land of the Ashcroft-haters

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/printmm20040310.shtml

Those oh-so-compassionate liberals could hardly contain their glee
upon hearing the news that Attorney General John Ashcroft is suffering
from a severe case of gallstone pancreatitis.

He has it coming. He is utterly sub-human and evil. Suffer, bastard,
gloated an Internet user on the DemocraticUnderground.com Web site.
(T)he world would be better off without him, responded another
writer on the forum. I hope he is in the most severe pain a human
being can suffer, and after that, I hope he remains in constant pain
with no hope of relief, chimed in yet another bleeding-heart
Democrat. Out in Hollywood, comedian Bill Maher echoed these unsparing
sentiments during his HBO talk show monologue, speculating that
Ashcroft contracted his unimaginably painful and potentially deadly
illness from wiping his (expletive) with the Bill of Rights. The
audience roared with laughter.

It is not the incivility of the Ashcroft-haters that galls me. It is
the unmitigated insipidity and apathy they display toward what this
man and his department have done to protect their right to be free,
safe and stupid.

On the day he was admitted to the hospital last week, for example,
Ashcroft was scheduled to speak at a Justice Department news
conference. He was set to announce the convictions of three jihadists
who trained in Virginia on behalf of the Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba
(LET), a Pakistani terrorist group. The defendants spun their usual
woe-is-me/Islam is a Religion of Peace/I'm an innocent victim of
racial profiling tales for their tearful relatives and a sympathetic
media. But the Justice Department didn't buy their stories. And
neither did U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema, a Clinton appointee,
who blasted the terror cell members' cover stories for traveling
abroad to wage holy war as incredible and simply implausible.

Masoud Ahmad Khan, 32, of Gaithersburg, Md., was convicted on eight
counts: conspiracy; conspiracy to levy war against the United States;
providing support to the Taliban; conspiracy to provide support to
LET; firearms conspiracy; and three counts of use of firearms in
connection with a crime of violence.

Former Marine Seifullah Chapman, 32, of Alexandria, Va., was convicted
of conspiring to provide material support to LET; conspiracy; firearms
conspiracy; possession of firearms in connection with a crime of
violence; and use of a firearm in connection with a crime of violence.

And Hammad Abdur-Raheem, 35, of Falls Church, Va., was convicted of
conspiring to provide material support to LET; conspiracy; and
firearms conspiracy.

(By the way, where are all the gun controllers to praise the Justice
Department for pursuing strict enforcement of their laws? Hmm? They
must be out to lunch with all the moderate Muslim leaders getting
ready to praise Ashcroft for going after fanatical extremists who give
their religion a bad name. Right?)

The media elite belittled the Ashcroft prosecutions of these Islamists
because they practiced on a paintball field. But brushing off these
warriors as paintball terrorists would be as irresponsible as
shrugging off the Sept. 11 hijackers as video game terrorists
because they trained for their murderous missions on flight simulator
software. For the defendants and their co-conspirators, Judge
Brinkema wrote, these games were viewed as not just an opportunity
for outdoor exercise, fellowship and an opportunity to improve
self-defense skills, but also as preparation for real combat.

Every single time Ashcroft has brought charges against jihadists in
America, he has been mocked and vilified. Every single time he has
tightened the screws on Islamic terror recruitment and financing, he
has been lambasted as a racist. Every single time they have been
arrested, the defendants have proclaimed their absolute innocence. And
each time Ashcroft has won convictions against them -- neutralizing
terror cells in Lackawanna, N.Y., Portland, Detroit, and now northern
Virginia -- he has been met with more condemnation and derision.

John Ashcroft has nobly taken on the grueling job of protecting a
nation of ingrates who take joy in his illness while terrorists
continue to plot to kill us all. God bless you, Attorney General, and
get well soon. America, land of the free and home of the thankless,
needs you back.



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LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

Air America Radio, a progressive talk radio network, announced today
it will hit the airwaves on March 31st. Air America Radio is
launching in the top U.S. markets with leading talent that will
provide compelling and entertaining programming on the radio, on
satellite feeds, and on the web, said Mark Walsh, Chief Executive
Officer of Air America Radio. We aim to build an important new media
franchise that delivers results.

The networks on-air personalities represent todays top political and
popular satirists, commentators and activists. Comedian, and best
selling author Al Franken, who was recently taken to court when Bill O
Reilly and Fox News were seeking an injunction to halt distribution
of Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look
at the Right, and is known for fact-based, drug-free satire, will
host a weekday show on the network called The OFranken Factor.

Im so happy that Air America Radio will be on in three battleground
states, New York, Illinois and California.no waitthose arent
battleground states. What the hell are we doing? said Franken.

Air America Radio has signed actress and comedienne Janeane Garofalo,
hip hop icon Chuck D, radio personality Randi Rhodes, and political
humorist Sam Seder to join Franken at the network. Environmental
activist Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., The Daily Show co-creator Lizz
Winstead, and business-of-the-media analyst on the public radio
program Marketplace Martin Kaplan will also join the network.

The network has unveiled its current weekday and weekend line-up:

Monday-Friday
Uprising: 6:00-9:00am

This is a fast paced morning show that will entertain and engage
audiences with wit and political satire. It will feature the latest
news, offering up to-the-minute interviews with newsmakers, analysis
and strong opinions.

Host: Marc Maron
Co-host: Sue Ellicott
Co-host: Mark Riley

Unfiltered: 9:00am- 12:00pm
Air Americas midmorning program is a showcase for conversation about
the political and cultural state of the union. Unfiltered introduces
listeners to fresh new voices not available in mainstream media today.

Co-host: Lizz Winstead
Co-host: Chuck D
Co-host: Laura Flanders

The O Franken Factor: 12:00-3:00pm
Relentless, pure satire, delivered by the leading political humorist
of this generation. With his partner, longtime radio host Katherine
Lanpher, this will be three hours of fearless barbs, sketches, and
interviews with newsmakers and characters who have lived, up until
now, only in Als fertile imagination. Hes no policy wonk, but this
best-selling author and veteran of Saturday Night Live, is devoting
his energy to fighting back against rightwing propaganda with hard
evidence and facts.

Host: Al Franken
Co-host: Katherine Lanpher
Producer: Billy Kimball

The Randi Rhodes Show: 3:00-7:00pm

Randi Rhodes has spent the last 20 years burning up the airwaves in
southern Florida with her pointed and provocative brand of talk radio.
Combining live interview, call-in and commentary, Randi engages her
audience with a passionate presentation.

Host: Randi Rhodes

So What Else Is News? : 7:00-8:00pm
Based in Los Angeles, this is a one-hour program showcasing the
intersection of politics, media and popular culture. This program will
feature analysis and reports from the presidential campaign, as well
as a daily reporters roundtable on how the news of the day is
affected and reflected by the media. Marty will also cover the
spinning of the news with a regular segment called The Corrections.
This is also the place to hear the political voice of Hollywood, with
celebrity guest interviews from the entertainment industries.
Host: Marty Kaplan

The Majority Report: 8:00pm-11:00pm

This program will introduce new, younger voices and opinions, with
live guests from the world of politics, the arts and entertainment.
Host: Janeane Garofalo
Co-host: Sam Seder

Saturday and Sunday

Air America Radios weekend line-up will offer more original
programming, like Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Mike Papatanios
Champions of Justice, a program that brings a fresh and entertaining
perspective to talk radio from the top legal and social issues focused
minds in the country. Additional programming will include Best-of Air
America Radio and Best-of-OFranken Factor as well as other original
programming to be announced soon.

Air America Radio will be available immediately in top markets across
the country, and our distribution channels will continue to expand in
the coming months via affiliation agreements with partner stations
across the land, said Air America Radio President Jon Sinton. Air
America Radio will debut its programming on radio stations WLIB (AM
1190am) in New York, WNTD (AM 950) in Chicago and KBLA (AM 1580) in
Los Angeles and a station in San Francisco to be named before launch.

Air America Radios partnership with WLIB owner, Inner City
Broadcasting Corporation, is a complementary agreement that builds on
the goals of each

Re: Exploding $20 bills?

2004-03-10 Thread Julia Thompson



On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Gary Nunn wrote:

 
 This site seems to be along the same caliber as The Onion At least
 I think they are kidding :-)
 
 RFID Tags in New US Notes Explode When You Try to Microwave Them
 
 http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904rfidtagsexplode.html

This was the topic of a thread earlier this month on another list I'm on.

I could post a list of all the links that got posted in that discussion.  
I never checked any of them out, but I have 'em.  But I won't post that 
list unless someone asks for it.  (I might include comments about what the 
discussion was like around the links, to give it a little bit of context.)

The list in question is not publicly archived anywhere, and that's how 
everyone on it likes it, or I'd post a link to the thread and let 
interested parties go there themselves.

Julia

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Re: America, land of the HimmlerCroft-haters

 From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/printmm20040310.shtml
 
 Those oh-so-compassionate liberals could hardly contain their glee
 upon hearing the news that Attorney General John Ashcroft is suffering
 from a severe case of gallstone pancreatitis.
 
 He has it coming. He is utterly sub-human and evil. Suffer, bastard,
 gloated an Internet user on the DemocraticUnderground.com Web site.
 (T)he world would be better off without him, responded another
 writer on the forum. I hope he is in the most severe pain a human
 being can suffer, and after that, I hope he remains in constant pain
 with no hope of relief, chimed in yet another bleeding-heart
 Democrat. Out in Hollywood, comedian Bill Maher echoed these unsparing
 sentiments during his HBO talk show monologue, speculating that
 Ashcroft contracted his unimaginably painful and potentially deadly
 illness from wiping his (expletive) with the Bill of Rights. The
 audience roared with laughter.
 
 It is not the incivility of the Ashcroft-haters that galls me. It is
 the unmitigated insipidity and apathy they display toward what this
 man and his department have done to protect their right to be free,
 safe and stupid.

HimmlerCroft is one of the greatest threats to democracy and humanity.
 
 
 The media elite belittled the Ashcroft prosecutions of these Islamists
 because they practiced on a paintball field. But brushing off these
 warriors as paintball terrorists would be as irresponsible as
 shrugging off the Sept. 11 hijackers as video game terrorists
 because they trained for their murderous missions on flight simulator
 software. For the defendants and their co-conspirators, Judge
 Brinkema wrote, these games were viewed as not just an opportunity
 for outdoor exercise, fellowship and an opportunity to improve
 self-defense skills, but also as preparation for real combat.
 
 Every single time Ashcroft has brought charges against jihadists in
 America, he has been mocked and vilified. Every single time he has
 tightened the screws on Islamic terror recruitment and financing, he
 has been lambasted as a racist. Every single time they have been
 arrested, the defendants have proclaimed their absolute innocence. And
 each time Ashcroft has won convictions against them -- neutralizing
 terror cells in Lackawanna, N.Y., Portland, Detroit, and now northern
 Virginia -- he has been met with more condemnation and derision.

So where was HimmlerCroft and the Elite-Corporate media when they
captured Texas-Cyanide-Bomb Terrorists last December?  They Had Actual
_WMD_.  You don't see HimmlerCroft having press conferences when White
Male Right-Wing Terrorists are captured.  You don't see Elite-Corporate
media stories when White Male Right-Wing Terrorists are captured either.


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Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

http://www.discover.com/web-exclusives/gene-made-us-human0304/

The Gene That Made Us Human
Scientists decode a critical gene that may have led to the evolution of
our big brains
By Zach Zorich
March 04, 2004 | Mind  Brain

Scientists have long suspected that humans evolved large brains because
our hominid ancestors had to outwit and elude predators, learn to use
fire, and develop complex social structures. The smart hominids survived,
while the stupid ones were more likely to get eaten or freeze to death.
Over millions of years, the result of this game of survival of the
fittest was the appearance of big-brained, peculiarly intelligent modern
humans. Now Bruce Lahn, a biomedical researcher at the University of
Chicago, has found the first clear indication of the genetic changes that
led to the rapid expansion of our brain.

 

Lahn and his colleagues looked at the abnormal spindle-like microcephaly
associated (ASPM) gene, which scientists had previously identified as a
key player in brain development. He grew intrigued by ASPM after other
researchers discovered that serious defects in the gene cause
microcephalya drastic reduction in the size of the brains cerebral
cortex, the region responsible for such higher brain functions as
abstract thought and planning. Lahn wondered: Could changes in this gene,
favored by the pressures of natural selection, have directed the
development of the big, modern human brain?

 

To find out, Lahn compared the sequence of the human ASPM gene with the
equivalent gene sequences of various primatesincluding chimpanzees,
gorillas, and gibbonsand with the sequences of nonprimate species such
as mice, cows, and dogs. He isolated genetic mutations that altered the
structure of the ASPM protein and thus could have affected brain size,
while weeding out the random mutations that had no structural effect and
hence would have been unaffected by evolutionary pressures. Lahn found
that the ASPM gene in humans has undergone 15 important mutations since
we last shared a common ancestor with chimpanzees, about 5 million years
ago. Significantly, compared with the other animals studied, humans have
experienced the fastest overall rate of change in the gene since our
evolutionary line parted ways with chimpanzees and other primates.
Evidently, ASPM responded to natural selection, and the resulting changes
contributed to our large brains.

 

How exactly the ASPM gene produced these changes is not yet entirely
clear. It seems to control how many times cells in the cerebral cortex
can divide, which controls how much space there is for neurons. A variant
of the gene that allowed additional cell divisions, Lahn surmises, gave
some hominids the additional neural infrastructure that eventually let
them develop abstract reasoning and language skills. The exact
environmental pressures that pushed humans toward higher intelligence
also remain a matter of speculation. Humans are very social, and coming
down from the trees to live on the African plains could have triggered a
situation where higher cognitive abilities were highly favored, Lahn
says. The need for hominids to work cooperatively to find food and to
combat the increased threat of large predators could have fostered the
development of a larger brain capable of processing language and
anticipating danger. 

 

In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human ASPM gene into mice to
see what affect it has on brain development. He hopes to reconstruct the
detailed story of how the human brain grew and changed as the result of
natural selection, thereby creating the thing that makes us each
uniquethe human mind.

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Hypocrite Shrub in Lincoln Bedroom Scandal

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20040310/ap_on_go_pr_wh
/bush_sleepovers_3

Bush Fund-Raisers Among Overnight Guests   
Wed Mar 10, 9:52 AM ET  Add to My Yahoo! 
 

By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer 

WASHINGTON - President Bush ( - ) opened the White House and Camp David
to dozens of overnight guests last year, including foreign dignitaries,
family friends and at least nine of his biggest campaign fund-raisers,
documents show. 


AP Photo 
 
   

In all, Bush and first lady Laura Bush have invited at least 270 people
to stay at the White House and at least the same number to overnight at
the Camp David retreat since moving to Washington in January 2001,
according to lists the White House provided The Associated Press. 


Some guests spent a night in the Lincoln Bedroom, historic quarters that
gained new fame in the Clinton administration amid allegations that
Democrats rewarded major donors like Hollywood heavyweights Steven
Spielberg and Barbra Streisand with accommodations there. 


That scandal and Bush's criticism of it is one of the reasons the White
House identifies guests. In a debate with Vice President Al Gore ( - ) in
October 2000, Bush said: I believe they've moved that sign, `The buck
stops here,' from the Oval Office desk to `The buck stops here' on the
Lincoln Bedroom. And that's not good for the country. 


Los Angeles attorney Donald Etra stayed at the Bush White House several
times and at Camp David once. Etra, a Yale classmate of President Bush,
said he and his wife were invited as friends, not because they each gave
Bush $1,000 in 2000. 


Friendship comes first, donations come second, Etra said. 


Describing a stay in the Lincoln Bedroom, he said it was almost
impossible to sleep. 


It is so unbelievably exciting and unbelievable that you are staying in
the White House, he said. One hesitates to put a coffee cup down on the
coffee table because there's an original copy of the Emancipation
Proclamation under glass. 


Bush's overnight guest roster is virtually free of celebrities  pro
golfer Ben Crenshaw is the biggest name  but not of campaign supporters.



At least nine of Bush's biggest fund-raisers appear on the latest list of
White House overnight guests, covering June 2002 through December 2003,
and-or on the Camp David list, which covers last year. They include: 


_Mercer Reynolds, an Ohio financier, former Bush partner in the Texas
Rangers baseball team and former ambassador to Switzerland. Reynolds is
leading Bush's campaign fund-raising effort. He was a guest at the White
House and the Camp David retreat in Maryland's Catoctin Mountains. 


_Brad Freeman, a venture capitalist who is leading Bush's California
fund-raising effort, has raised at least $200,000 for his re-election
campaign and is also a major Republican Party fund-raiser. Freeman stayed
at the White House. 


_Roland Betts, who raised at least $100,000 for Bush in 2000, was a Bush
fraternity brother at Yale and a Texas Rangers partner. Betts stayed at
the White House and Camp David. 


_William DeWitt, a Bush partner in the oil business and Texas Rangers who
has raised at least $200,000 for Bush's re-election effort, stayed at the
White House. 


_James Francis, who headed the Bush campaign's 2000 team of
$100,000-and-up volunteer fund-raisers and was a Bush appointee in Texas
when Bush was governor. Francis was a White House guest. 


_Joseph O'Neill, an oilman and childhood friend who introduced Bush to
Laura Bush and raised at least $100,000 for each of Bush's presidential
campaigns, stayed at the White House. 


_Colorado Gov. Bill Owens and New York Gov. George Pataki, who each
raised at least $200,000 for Bush's re-election campaign, were White
House guests. 

   



_James Langdon, who raised at least $100,000 for Bush, is a Washington
attorney specializing in international oil and gas transactions. Langdon,
whose clients include the Russian oil company Lukoil, is a member of
Bush's foreign intelligence advisory board and served on Bush's 2000
presidential transition team on energy policy. 

Some of these guests are old classmates, some of them have been friends
of theirs for many, many years, White House spokeswoman Erin Healy said.
They enjoy the opportunity to spend time with them. 

Langdon, who stayed at Camp David a few weeks before Russian President
Vladimir Putin ( - ) did last September, said Bush's invitations to him
and the other fund-raisers differ from the allegations of the Clinton
years. 

Of course I'm a fund-raiser  I support him in every way I can. But my
relationship with him and his wife and his family spans more than three
decades, said Langdon, who grew up in Texas and was a Bush friend since
Bush's early years there. I certainly don't need to be rewarded with a
trip to Camp David for doing what I'm doing. 

Several Bush relatives visited the White House and Camp David, including
former President George H.W. Bush and former first lady Barbara Bush

Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

At 06:56 PM 3/10/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
Air America Radio, a progressive talk radio network, announced today
it will hit the airwaves on March 31st.

But will anybody listen?

JDG
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Re: America, land of the Ashcroft-haters

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/printmm20040310.shtml

Those oh-so-compassionate liberals could hardly contain their glee
upon hearing the news that Attorney General John Ashcroft is suffering
from a severe case of gallstone pancreatitis.
He has it coming. He is utterly sub-human and evil. Suffer, bastard,
gloated an Internet user on the DemocraticUnderground.com Web site.
(T)he world would be better off without him, responded another
writer on the forum. I hope he is in the most severe pain a human
being can suffer, and after that, I hope he remains in constant pain
with no hope of relief, chimed in yet another bleeding-heart
Democrat. Out in Hollywood, comedian Bill Maher echoed these unsparing
sentiments during his HBO talk show monologue, speculating that
Ashcroft contracted his unimaginably painful and potentially deadly
illness from wiping his (expletive) with the Bill of Rights. The
audience roared with laughter.


Anyone who would wish Ashcroft personally ill is a jerk. I can't stand  
the job he's done as AG, but I bear him no ill will as a human being.

In any case, there are plenty of reasons to hate Ashcroft - as the AG -  
and the fact that he has come down with such a painful and debilitating  
illness does not change a damn thing. It's just plain stupid to exult  
in his personal misfortune - the Irony Fairy will probably be on the  
case any minute now - but sympathy for the man does not translate into  
the slightest need to call off our campaign against his dreadful  
attempt to use the 9-11 tragedy to clamp down on our rights.

And the actions of a few jerks do not discredit the liberal community -  
unless, by extension, I can use Rod Paige's loathesome NSEA =  
terrorist organization comments to discredit all conservatives  
everywhere. (Especially since people posting on a Web site, and even  
Bill Maher, are not elected or appointed governmental officials and  
thus don't bear as much responsibility as Paige does.)

 
--

Tom Beck

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Re: Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:24:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human ASPM gene into mice to
 see what affect it has on brain development. 

They escape from their cages, flee to a country that has no extradition, and 
sue the estate of Douglas Adams for slander.

William Taylor

Change to Br!n for reply.


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Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

But will anybody listen?
If they can find any radio stations that aren't owned by a tiny handful  
of corporations bent on imposing a narrow cultural  political agenda  
on the American public.

 
--

Tom Beck

my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/

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see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle

 
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Re: Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

2004-03-10 Thread Davd Brin



  In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human
 ASPM gene into mice to
  see what affect it has on brain development. 
 
 They escape from their cages, flee to a country that
 has no extradition, and 
 sue the estate of Douglas Adams for slander.

Heh.  I had heard of this.  My best guess is that
simply pumping up that gene leads to more neurons, and
that a species without OTHER adaptation will simply
suffer from severe internal skull squeeze.

But the notion of a breakout by brain boosted rats is
delightfully chilling.

=
.
.
* Please note.  My email address of many years is changing FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... (Or else use [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

At 08:45 PM 3/10/2004 -0500 Tom Beck wrote:
If they can find any radio stations that aren't owned by a tiny handful  
of corporations bent on imposing a narrow cultural  political agenda  
on the American public.

You mean, moreso than making money?

JDG
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Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

- Original Message - 
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

 At 06:56 PM 3/10/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
 Air America Radio, a progressive talk radio network, announced
today
 it will hit the airwaves on March 31st.

 But will anybody listen?

Franken is really a funny guy. He ought to get an initially decent
audience.
After that, who knows?

xponent
Mouth Wars Maru
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Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

You mean, moreso than making money?


Implying that there's only one possible way to do that and that  
ideological and political concerns never ever influence anyone in big  
business? Get real.

This isn't even necessarily political. Clear Channel and Infinity own  
so many radio stations (thanks to a generation of governments of all  
political persuasions permitting an ever greater concentration of media  
outlets in ever fewer hands) that there are fewer and fewer  
independents left. Clear Channel has a habit of imposing a bland  
uniformity on its stations. Whether you're a liberal or a conservative,  
this is not a good thing. The wheel CAN turn, after all, and maybe 20  
years from now right-wingers will be the ones feeling shut out. It  
would be better if everyone had a level playing field all the time.

 
--

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Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

- Original Message - 
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

 At 08:45 PM 3/10/2004 -0500 Tom Beck wrote:
 If they can find any radio stations that aren't owned by a tiny
handful
 of corporations bent on imposing a narrow cultural  political
agenda
 on the American public.

 You mean, moreso than making money?

That's true. If it brings in listeners, it will get distribution.

xponent
Money Maru
rob

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Re: Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

 From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human
  ASPM gene into mice to
   see what affect it has on brain development. 
  
  They escape from their cages, flee to a country that
  has no extradition, and 
  sue the estate of Douglas Adams for slander.
 
 Heh.  I had heard of this.  My best guess is that
 simply pumping up that gene leads to more neurons, and
 that a species without OTHER adaptation will simply
 suffer from severe internal skull squeeze.

I recall from last year another gene that they discovered that caused
mice brains to become highly folded (like a human brain) instead of being
'flat'.
 
 But the notion of a breakout by brain boosted rats is
 delightfully chilling.

Danger mouse...
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RE: Paul Winfield, RIP

2004-03-10 Thread Jim Sharkey


Jon Gabriel wrote:
Paul Winfield has died.

He was also in one of my favorite ST:NG episodes, Darmok.  One of the more original 
episodes of the run, I thought.

Jim

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Scientists find a way to beat the menopause

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/03/11/wmeno11.xmlsSheet=/news/2004/03/11/ixnewstop.htmlsecureRefresh=true_requestid=17930

http://tinyurl.com/33jh8

Scientists have discovered a new way to defy the menopause which could
change women's lives, they announce today.

Their research raises the prospect of extending childbearing years and
offers a more natural alternative to HRT to offset ageing and maintain
youthful vigour.

The discovery that women may make eggs after birth, rather than be
born with all the eggs they would ever have, could provide profound
insights into the timing of the menopause.

It is also likely to help to improve the success of grafts of ovary
tissue to restore fertility in women after chemotherapy for cancer.

The study overturns a theory of female fertility that has persisted
for more than half a century and discloses that ovaries may have
hidden reserves, a find with significant clinical implications.

The work, published in the journal Nature, was carried out at
Massachusetts general hospital, Boston.

Dr Marian Damewood, the president of the American Society for
Reproductive Medicine, said it could be the most significant advance
in reproductive medicine since the advent of IVF more than 25 years
ago.

That depends on whether the research is confirmed and a way is found
to tap this new-found reserve of female fertility.

Every textbook on reproductive science indicates that women are born
with their lifetime's complement of eggs which are steadily lost until
the supply is exhausted, leading to menopause.

But the textbooks may have to be rewritten. The study suggests that
women continue to produce eggs after birth from special stem cells,
which have been overlooked until now.

The eggs derived from these cells also form new follicles, where eggs
ripen, which drive the production of hormones. The project's leading
author, Prof Jonathan Tilly, said yesterday: These are basic
biological findings that may change everything in our field. Although
there is no way to say how long it may take for these findings to
actually affect the care of patients, we are very excited.

However, the study was done on mice and a leading figure in the field,
Prof Roger Gosden, was cautious.

He welcomed the research, but said: Reproductive biology is very
variable between species and, as yet, there is no evidence in humans
contrary to the old dogma that egg production ceases before birth.

If we have been wrong, I will be astounded.

If today's findings hold in humans, all theories about the ageing of
the female reproductive system will have to be revisited, said Prof
Tilly. The study raises the issue of whether such things as smoking,
chemotherapy and radiation could harm these stem cells and prematurely
age the ovary, he said.

Now the cells have been identified, ways to delay ovarian ageing - and
extend fertility - can be studied.

Removing, storing and reimplanting these stem cells could offer an
alternative to storing mature eggs, which is difficult, for fertility
preservation in cancer patients.

The same approach could be used to delay the menopause. That is
something we are very excited about, said Prof Tilley.

The work also suggests that therapeutic cloning - where stem cells are
derived from an early cloned embryo - could make eggs for infertile
women, though Prof Tilly said this was difficult to achieve.

The team made the find by uncovering a dramatic inconsistency in the
numbers of dying eggs and the reserve of eggs in juvenile and adult
life.

Treating prepubertal female mice with a chemical known to kill stem
cells caused ovarian failure by a mechanism that did not involve
destruction of eggs present at the start of the treatment.

Examination of ovaries of young and mature mice identified cells on
the organs' outer surface that resembled cells which are the source of
eggs in foetal animals - now recognised as stem cells.

The team showed that new egg cells develop and form follicles in
ovarian tissue in genetically altered mice.

If the work applies to women, it may explain why fertility declines
after 30: that this might be due to depletion of stem cells, rather
than exhaustion of an egg reserve laid down before birth.

The team is trying to isolate and store the stem cells in mice so they
can investigate how to prevent ovarian failure and infertility caused
by ageing or cancer treatments, with a view to applying this research
to women.

Charlotte Woodhouse went through the menopause at the age of 14 and
pins her hopes of raising a family on a breakthrough in research.

For the past few years the thought of a scientific advance that could
help delay or even reverse the menopause has brought comfort to the
23-year-old, who lives in Biggin Hill, Kent.

In her case, the new understanding of stem cells would have to be
combined with therapeutic cloning, a contentious method under
development that is more hope than real substance.

No matter how experimental, she

Re: Lincoln Bedroom

At 07:32 PM 3/10/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
Bush Fund-Raisers Among Overnight Guests   
Wed Mar 10, 9:52 AM ET  Add to My Yahoo! 

I am shocked that President Bush's friends would also raise money for him!!!

This is certainly a far cry from offering overnight stays for specific
levels of contributions, like the Clintons were accused of.

JDG
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Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

At 09:05 PM 3/10/2004 -0500 Tom Beck wrote:
 You mean, moreso than making money?

Implying that there's only one possible way to do that and that  
ideological and political concerns never ever influence anyone in big  
business? Get real.

No Tom, implying that if there is serious money to be made, big business
will certainly *not* let political considerations stand in the way of
making it.

There is no way the next Rush Limbaugh gets kept bottled up based on the
ideology of radio station owners.If that were true, we probably would
never have had Rush Limbaugh in the first place.

 Clear Channel has a habit of imposing a bland  
uniformity on its stations. Whether you're a liberal or a conservative,  
this is not a good thing. 

I'm not convinced of that.   Consumers have consistently shown a preference
for bland uniformity in many areas of life over the consistently original
and different.  Its called McDonald's.

JDG
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I'm not convinced of that.   Consumers have consistently shown a  
preference
for bland uniformity in many areas of life over the consistently  
original
and different.  Its called McDonald's.
And Budweiser. And Walmart. And George W. Bush. (And, with respect to  
Dr. Brin, Stephen King and Tom Clancy and Dean Koontz.)

But it's a chicken-and-egg thing. Do people want it because they really  
like it, or have they been convinced by advertising, or is it the only  
thing available? There are places in the USA where there's not much  
else on the radio but what Clear Channel wants to dish out.

And business screws up all the time for all kinds of reasons. The free  
market may be better than alternatives, but that doesn't mean it always  
operates to produce the best result, or that businessmen are pure and  
free of any ideological taint. Or that what the free market produces is  
necessarily of real social utility in every case.

You don't want a liberal talk radio network to succeed so you denigrate  
its chances. I'm afraid it won't succeed, so I'm making excuses in  
advance. At least I'm honest about it.

 
--

Tom Beck

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Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

2004-03-10 Thread Gautam Mukunda

--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 08:45 PM 3/10/2004 -0500 Tom Beck wrote:
 If they can find any radio stations that aren't
 owned by a tiny handful  
 of corporations bent on imposing a narrow cultural
  political agenda  
 on the American public.
 
 You mean, moreso than making money?
 
 JDG

Now, now, John, you know that arguing with the
paranoid school of American politics is a lost cause...

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Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

2004-03-10 Thread Gautam Mukunda

--- Tom Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You don't want a liberal talk radio network to
 succeed so you denigrate  
 its chances. I'm afraid it won't succeed, so I'm
 making excuses in  
 advance. At least I'm honest about it.
 Tom Beck

No, you'd be honest about it if you admitted that you
already had one - it's called NPR - paid for with my
tax dollars.  If you want to waste _your_ money on
such a thing, be my guest.

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No, you'd be honest about it if you admitted that you
already had one - it's called NPR - paid for with my
tax dollars.  If you want to waste _your_ money on
such a thing, be my guest.


Rightwingers love to bitch and moan about NPR, but it's actually far  
more variegated than they admit. For example, there's a dailly program  
called Marketplace that is one of the most honest and thorough business  
reports in any media.

NPR doesn't kowtow to the right-wing agenda - which makes it, in their  
minds, leftwing.

 
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Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

At 10:18 PM 3/10/2004 -0500 Tom Beck wrote:
But it's a chicken-and-egg thing. Do people want it because they really  
like it, or have they been convinced by advertising, or is it the only  
thing available? 

I dunno, in pretty much every major market there are alternative radio
stations, which offer unique programming, and there are Top 40 radio
stations.   I'll put pretty good money down that the Top 40 station has the
higher ratings in just about any market you choose.

You don't want a liberal talk radio network to succeed so you denigrate  
its chances. I'm afraid it won't succeed, so I'm making excuses in  
advance. At least I'm honest about it.

Actually, it sounds like both of our honest opinions reflect a consensus on
the likelihood of it succeeding.

JDG

P.S. I'm still interested into hearing more about your objections to the
Presidential Prayer Teams website.
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Re: America, land of the Ashcroft-haters

2004-03-10 Thread Doug Pensinger

Tom Beck wrote:

Anyone who would wish Ashcroft personally ill is a jerk. I can't stand  
the job he's done as AG, but I bear him no ill will as a human being.
I agree, and I wish him well, but I still think the Bill Maher line is 
pretty funny.

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Re: America, land of the Ashcroft-haters

At 10:49 PM 3/10/2004, you wrote:

Tom Beck wrote:

Anyone who would wish Ashcroft personally ill is a jerk. I can't stand
the job he's done as AG, but I bear him no ill will as a human being.
I agree, and I wish him well, but I still think the Bill Maher line is 
pretty funny.

--
Doug
Why, is he defending cowards again?
OSL.
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Just having fun
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Re: Brin: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

 From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human
  ASPM gene into mice to
   see what affect it has on brain development. 
  
  They escape from their cages, flee to a country that
  has no extradition, and 
  sue the estate of Douglas Adams for slander.
 
 Heh.  I had heard of this.  My best guess is that
 simply pumping up that gene leads to more neurons, and
 that a species without OTHER adaptation will simply
 suffer from severe internal skull squeeze.
 
 But the notion of a breakout by brain boosted rats is
 delightfully chilling.

FuturePundit Talks about Uplift here:
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001982.html#001982
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At 10:38 PM 3/10/2004, you wrote:

No, you'd be honest about it if you admitted that you
already had one - it's called NPR - paid for with my
tax dollars.  If you want to waste _your_ money on
such a thing, be my guest.


Rightwingers love to bitch and moan about NPR, but it's actually far
more variegated than they admit. For example, there's a dailly program
called Marketplace that is one of the most honest and thorough business
reports in any media.
NPR doesn't kowtow to the right-wing agenda - which makes it, in their
minds, leftwing.
Tom Beck
A 30 minute program is compared against five hours (that I know of locally) 
and it becomes all fair and balanced in your mind? I agree marketplace is 
good. And the other shows aren't NYT bad; but there are enough times I 
listen and wonder what cracker jack box these people got their journalism 
degree out of. One night last summer I heard a constant droning of all the 
bad things that happened in Baghdad, the museum looting, the general 
lawlessness, no water, no power, bombings, overflowing hospitals with the 
innocents of war; their lives and bodies forever damaged by the senseless 
rush to war (accompanied by strained violins and wailing children).

Where was the other PoV? Where was the story retracting the falsehoods of 
the museum looting? Where is the counterpoint now of the lawlessness 
brought on by the Saddam thugs; the overflowing hospitals caused when they 
blow up their own people?

Yes NPR. We editorialize, you don't decide.

Kevin T. - VRWC
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Re: Paul Winfield, RIP

2004-03-10 Thread Julia Thompson

Jim Sharkey wrote:
 
 Jon Gabriel wrote:
 Paul Winfield has died.
 
 He was also in one of my favorite ST:NG episodes, Darmok.  One of
 the more original episodes of the run, I thought.

And he narrated City Confidential on AE.  I swear, I wouldn't watch
that show as much as I do if it weren't for that voice.

Julia
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Re: Br!n: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

2004-03-10 Thread Julia Thompson

The Fool wrote:
 
  From: Davd Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
In future experiments, Lahn will insert the human
   ASPM gene into mice to
see what affect it has on brain development.
  
   They escape from their cages, flee to a country that
   has no extradition, and
   sue the estate of Douglas Adams for slander.
 
  Heh.  I had heard of this.  My best guess is that
  simply pumping up that gene leads to more neurons, and
  that a species without OTHER adaptation will simply
  suffer from severe internal skull squeeze.
 
 I recall from last year another gene that they discovered that caused
 mice brains to become highly folded (like a human brain) instead of being
 'flat'.
 
  But the notion of a breakout by brain boosted rats is
  delightfully chilling.
 
 Danger mouse...

I was thinking more along the lines of Pinky and The Brain.

Julia
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Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

2004-03-10 Thread Doug Pensinger

John wrote:


Actually, it sounds like both of our honest opinions reflect a consensus 
on
the likelihood of it succeeding.

I think the time is ripe, actually.

I'll be checking it out...

--
Doug
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