Re: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
Apropos of nothing specific, I read in DW a couple weeks back that Germany is in the process of dismantling its nuke reactors and returning to fossil fuels for power. ¿Que? Wind farms often get voted down in the US, mostly because no one wants to live near one. Folks seem to think they're ugly. And lately there's been advertising done *here* as well, trying to boost the image of coal. The suggestion is that coal miners are all hardbodied men and women in their early to mid twenties, who spend most of their time in the mines standing upright and striking alluring poses. Can a coal-powered SUV be far behind? What the hell is *wrong* with people? -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Discovery Channel's Greatest American
: On Jun 14, 2005, at 4:03 AM, Leonard Matusik wrote: Naw , the greatest Jew was that carpenter guy... Justin, Joshua, Joey something like that. Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:35:43 -0700Warren Ockrassa Fred. Fred Howard Christ. Worked in marketing, not carpentry. Pretty good guy. Or do you mean his brother? Either him or that Schindler fella from WWII. Um, I believe you'll find Oskar Schindler was not Jewish. Um, I believe you'll find Oskar Schindler is an honorary Jew (though I think it's only because of his brother Fred Howard Christ; over in marketing):) Leonard Matusik [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l - Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM more. Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:37:09 -0400
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* David Brin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
This is foul-mouthed insulting and sophistry.
Actually, no, this is facts.
For several messages ER has directed nasty ad hominem attacks at me.
Not at all. I did not consider your comments about Lomborg and neocons
to be nasty attacks. I used the exact rhetorical techniques you do in
your emails to the list. Weren't you the one who said that is the way to
communicate by email?
You might try, I was wrong instead of the whining.
I want the Brin: label removed from this set of exchanges. He has
reminded me why I opted out.
No problem, I will leave you out of any future discussions that involve
reality.
[Rest of off-topic rant deleted...]}
Oh shit, and that was going sooo well.
My two cents anyway it's not a matter of IF and SHOULD the u.s. sign the
Kyoto Accords but WHEN...They HAVE to sign something like it if they
want to keep the developing nation-states from developing the way we have (and
let's just assume it's been extremely irresponsible).
BUT consider our record on promoting conservation We say to the Brazilians;
Please don't destroy your biodiversity, displace your unique aboriginal
cultures and wantonly dump mercury into the AmazonAnd they say,
RIGHT, seen the condition of old growth forests in Ohio and the Mississippi
lately?
We say to the Kenyans, Please don't casually slaughter elephants and destroy
their habitat for farmland.. and they say tell it to the buffalo..
If the US is not dragged dragged into a thing like Kyoto, kicking and
screaming, BY the 2/3rd's world / then they will have no quarter to press the
issue in about 20 years (when it REALLY starts to matter). Has China
signed Kyoto? Russia, India?
Leonard Matusik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
{Did you know that the two greatest problems facing people today are
ignorance and apathy? / No, I didn't know that; and frankly, I couldn't
care less!}
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Re: apologies to real brinellers
d.brin wrote: Sorry to the rest of you for getting sucked in.Fanboy sniping attacks are part of the territory and I generally snub the little gnats. Got fooled this time by the important topic (saving the world). I really feel sympathetic... I'm not famous and I deal with some of the same shitty argumentative types, so I can imagine what's it like and can only thank my stars that currently these idiots don't seek me out. We all depend upon a civilization in which the ratio of citizens to psychopaths gradually increases. Keep at it. Speaking of psychopaths and global warming, this probably won't cheer anybody up: http://loadedmouth.com/node/1369 -- --Max Battcher-- http://www.worldmaker.net/ The WorldMaker.Network: Support Open/Free Mythoi. Read the manifesto @ mythoi.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Discovery Channel's Greatest American
Hey Leonard, what's up with the attributions in your replies? If I hadn't known what I wrote yesterday, I never would have been able to find your reply or separate it from my own comments... On Jun 15, 2005, at 4:16 AM, Leonard Matusik wrote: [me] Um, I believe you'll find Oskar Schindler was not Jewish. Um, I believe you'll find Oskar Schindler is an honorary Jew (though I think it's only because of his brother Fred Howard Christ; over in marketing):) I thought perhaps you were being ironic there, maybe suggesting that Schindler was more Jewish than Madonna will ever be, but tossed the comment out there just in case. ;) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using cron. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gulags
On 6/14/05, Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What REALLY bothers me about all this is this: If the United States wants to hold itself out as a paragon to the rest of the world, shouldn't we hold ourselves to a HIGHER standard than we'd hold other countries? If we want other countries to look up to the US, shouldn't we follow the spirit not just the letter of the law? Absolutely. Quoting scripture and Franklin D. Roosevelt, Hinson suggested the nation is greedy and morally bankrupt and warned that America's fear of terrorism is excessive and unhealthy. Denouncing fear that immobilizes, fear that causes you to lash out mindlessly, fear that prompts a nation to launch a preemptive strike against an imagined enemy, fear in excess, Hinson said, Only God's love can bring that kind of fear under control. - Baptist Seminary of Kentucky Professor Glenn Hinson: http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/local/11888623.htm -- Gary Denton Easter Lemming Blogs http://elemming.blogspot.com http://elemming2.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
On 6/15/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apropos of nothing specific, I read in DW a couple weeks back that Germany is in the process of dismantling its nuke reactors and returning to fossil fuels for power. ¿Que? Wind farms often get voted down in the US, mostly because no one wants to live near one. Folks seem to think they're ugly. And lately there's been advertising done *here* as well, trying to boost the image of coal. The suggestion is that coal miners are all hardbodied men and women in their early to mid twenties, who spend most of their time in the mines standing upright and striking alluring poses. Can a coal-powered SUV be far behind? What the hell is *wrong* with people? I like wind farms as long as I don't live within a mile of one. That seems to be no problem here in Texas or most areas in the US. The UK and Europe are leaving us far behind in applying this technology. Wind farms are not a panacea - there are strong doubts that it can supply more than 15% of a nation's energy needs in the next few decades. -- Gary Denton Easter Lemming Blogs http://elemming.blogspot.com http://elemming2.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gulags
Seems to belong here - a long article on the US interrogation system this past Sunday. Perm link http://tinyurl.com/7rmhr http://www.bugmenot.com Only after a new commanding officer had arrived and official inquiries had issued their reports did we learn that 40 percent of those penned up at Guantanamo never belonged there in the first place. At Abu Ghraib in Iraq, the record was even worse: two-thirds of the detainees were eventually said to have been innocent of terrorist links. At least when they were picked up. Who knows what leanings they developed or links they forged during and after their interrogations? ...uncomfortable with both absolutist positions -- the trusting ''do what you have to do in secret'' carte blanche versus the pure ''no coercive force ever'' position held by those who are strict constructionists when it comes to laws against torture lite as well as torture -- and equally dubious about the feasibility of a decent middle ground, I set out with notebook in hand several months ago to speak to politicians on Capitol Hill, spymasters, interrogators and legal experts. My hopes were that their experience and conclusions would shed light on the ingredients of a successful interrogation, whether these included coercion and, if so, how much, and whether there was anything that ordinary citizens could safely be told about what goes on in the shadows. My itinerary wasn't arduous. It involved traveling to Washington for conversations on Capitol Hill; then to Cambridge, Mass., to talk to law professors with a range of strong views on my subject; and finally to Israel, a country whose Supreme Court had asserted its jurisdiction and declared in 1999 that not only torture but all forms of ''cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment'' -- the term for torture lite used in the Convention Against Torture -- were illegal under Israeli law. At least there, it seemed, the security services that conduct interrogations had adapted themselves over many years to the idea that some legal standards might actually apply on the dark side. That was more or less the American view until just after 9/11. Even when clear evidence of the effectiveness of torture lite is hard to come by, democracies threatened by terrorism shrink from laying down the weapon. Should the threat ever pass, we can be expected to repress any memory of its use as we now try to do in daily life while it persists. Then we'll discover how much gratitude or resentment has accrued to us in the places where we've operated, among the descendants of those we've detained. -- Gary Denton Easter Lemming Blogs http://elemming.blogspot.com http://elemming2.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
On Jun 15, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Gary Denton wrote: On 6/15/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wind farms often get voted down in the US, mostly because no one wants to live near one. Folks seem to think they're ugly. And lately there's been advertising done *here* as well, trying to boost the image of coal. The suggestion is that coal miners are all hardbodied men and women in their early to mid twenties, who spend most of their time in the mines standing upright and striking alluring poses. Can a coal-powered SUV be far behind? What the hell is *wrong* with people? I like wind farms as long as I don't live within a mile of one. That seems to be no problem here in Texas or most areas in the US. Why, exactly, wouldn't you want to live within a mile of one? They're big enough that one mile won't make that much of a difference, so I can't think it's the eyesore factor. I do not live within a mile of one -- more like about 40 miles -- so I don't have an intimate relationship with them. I know that the wind farm at Altamont Pass here in Northern California comes under a lot of criticism for the number of birds, especially raptors, that are killed there. In fact, Altamont Pass it the most lethal wind farm in North America for raptors. So is it the smell of rotting birds? Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Apples Adventures in TCPA / Palladium
www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2137787/security-chip-block-non-macs Security chip to limit OS X to Macs Apple looking to keep operating system from running on third-party hardware Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 13 Jun 2005 Apple could use the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip to ensure that only Mac computers can run its OS X operating system, according to a news analysis from Gartner. The TPM is an open industry standard governed by the Trusted Computing Group, a non-profit organisation which develops security standards. The chip is used to securely store and encrypt information. Because each chip has a unique identifier code, it could also be used to distinguish a Mac computer from a model made by Dell or any other Windows vendor. Apple revealed last week that it is to switch from IBM's Power PC architecture to Intel's x86 models. The first Intel computers are expected to be available before June 2006 and Apple's entire product line will have switched architectures by 2007, the company said at its annual World Wide Developers Conference. With Macs and Windows machines sharing the same hardware platform, users could theoretically install any software on the PCs, running Windows on a Mac or OS X on a Dell. But Apple has stated that it would prevent users from installing OS X on non-Mac hardware. An Apple spokeswoman declined to comment for this story, saying that the company it is not yet ready to reveal product specifications. A spokeswoman for the TPG confirmed to vnunet.com that there is nothing preventing Apple from implementing the module. Vendors of enterprise desktop and laptop computers, including Dell, HP and IBM/Lenovo, are already using the TPM. IBM, for instance, uses the chip securely to store user passwords and encrypt the contents of the hard drive. The upcoming Longhorn version of Windows relies on the TPM for a technology dubbed Secure Startup, which blocks access to the computer if the content of the hard drive is compromised. This prevents a laptop thief swapping out the hard drive, or booting the system from a floppy disk to circumvent security features. Using the TPM is not without controversy, however. The module has raised privacy concerns, and has been criticised because it could be used to enforce digital rights management technologies. Gartner also advised enterprises to continue with purchasing plans for Apple hardware, but warned that managers should consider delaying software purchases until vendors offer a clear roadmap for upgrades to Intel-compatible versions. Sales of Apple computers typically drop prior to the launch of a new product as users delay purchases to get their hands on the new model. - Don't say you weren't warned. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gulags
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Admin: Test message
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Re: Apples Adventures in TCPA / Palladium
On Jun 14, 2005, at 2:22 PM, KZK wrote: www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2137787/security-chip-block-non-macs Security chip to limit OS X to Macs Apple looking to keep operating system from running on third-party hardware Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 13 Jun 2005 Apple could use the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip to ensure that only Mac computers can run its OS X operating system, according to a news analysis from Gartner. Shit! Shit shit shit! -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
Leonard Matusik [or someone else: you quote so badly that I can't get what is yours and what is quote] wrote: BUT consider our record on promoting conservation We say to the Brazilians; Please don't destroy your biodiversity, displace your unique aboriginal cultures and wantonly dump mercury into the Amazon And they say, RIGHT, seen the condition of old growth forests in Ohio and the Mississippi lately? The interesting thing is that Kyoto makes it extremely profitable to burn the damned rainforest and replace it by ethanol farms. The useless forest gives no Carbon credits, but alcohol does evil grin Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
At 03:37 PM Wednesday 6/15/2005, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 15, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Gary Denton wrote: On 6/15/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wind farms often get voted down in the US, mostly because no one wants to live near one. Folks seem to think they're ugly. And lately there's been advertising done *here* as well, trying to boost the image of coal. The suggestion is that coal miners are all hardbodied men and women in their early to mid twenties, who spend most of their time in the mines standing upright and striking alluring poses. Can a coal-powered SUV be far behind? What the hell is *wrong* with people? I like wind farms as long as I don't live within a mile of one. That seems to be no problem here in Texas or most areas in the US. Why, exactly, wouldn't you want to live within a mile of one? They're big enough that one mile won't make that much of a difference, so I can't think it's the eyesore factor. I do not live within a mile of one -- more like about 40 miles -- so I don't have an intimate relationship with them. I know that the wind farm at Altamont Pass here in Northern California comes under a lot of criticism for the number of birds, especially raptors, that are killed there. In fact, Altamont Pass it the most lethal wind farm in North America for raptors. So is it the smell of rotting birds? Or is it simply that virtually everybody wants unlimited cheap energy but also says NIMBY to any energy-generation technology, whether for reasons of esthetics, pollution, possible danger, or for no particular reason whatsoever? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Apples Adventures in TCPA / Palladium
On Jun 15, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 14, 2005, at 2:22 PM, KZK wrote: www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2137787/security-chip-block-non-macs Security chip to limit OS X to Macs Apple looking to keep operating system from running on third-party hardware Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 13 Jun 2005 Apple could use the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip to ensure that only Mac computers can run its OS X operating system, according to a news analysis from Gartner. Shit! Shit shit shit! Q: How do you spell Apple? A: R. I. A. A. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Admin: Test message
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Re: Apples Adventures in TCPA / Palladium
KZK wrote: www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2137787/security-chip-block-non-macs Security chip to limit OS X to Macs Apple looking to keep operating system from running on third-party hardware Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 13 Jun 2005 Apple could use the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip to ensure that only Mac computers can run its OS X operating system, according to a news analysis from Gartner. The TPM is an open industry standard governed by the Trusted Computing Group, a non-profit organisation which develops security standards. The chip is used to securely store and encrypt information. Because each chip has a unique identifier code, it could also be used to distinguish a Mac computer from a model made by Dell or any other Windows vendor. Apple revealed last week that it is to switch from IBM's Power PC architecture to Intel's x86 models. The first Intel computers are expected to be available before June 2006 and Apple's entire product line will have switched architectures by 2007, the company said at its annual World Wide Developers Conference. With Macs and Windows machines sharing the same hardware platform, users could theoretically install any software on the PCs, running Windows on a Mac or OS X on a Dell. But Apple has stated that it would prevent users from installing OS X on non-Mac hardware. Dang. Putting OS X on a Dell would be Way Cool from where I sit Julia near Round Rock, Texas ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
