Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Charlie Bell wrote: Yes, and if some disaster were to befall every dog breed except Great Danes and Chihuahuas, that would be a speciation event. :-) Your point is valid, and shows how tricky defining species can be - there are whole groups of beetles of which the member species can

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/12/2007, at 9:08 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: OTOH, Pitbulls should be called a different species; they are dogs in the same way that killer whales are whales :-/ That they've been bred for viciousness says more about the people doing the breeding than the dogs themselves. As for

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Charlie Bell wrote: OTOH, Pitbulls should be called a different species; they are dogs in the same way that killer whales are whales :-/ That they've been bred for viciousness says more about the people doing the breeding than the dogs themselves. Yes - but they corrupt the good name of

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/12/2007, at 11:00 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I used orcas just because of their (wrong) name, killer whales, since they are more dolphins than whales. I didn't mean, what's wrong with the name killer whale. I meant, what's wrong with killer whales? Why do orcas give whales (or

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Charlie Bell wrote: I used orcas just because of their (wrong) name, killer whales, since they are more dolphins than whales. I didn't mean, what's wrong with the name killer whale. It's wrong, because they are not whales. Ok, a seahorse is not a horse, a sea anemona is not a flower, but

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/12/2007, at 12:04 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: I used orcas just because of their (wrong) name, killer whales, since they are more dolphins than whales. I didn't mean, what's wrong with the name killer whale. It's wrong, because they are not whales. Yes they

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Charlie Bell wrote: It's wrong, because they are not whales. Yes they are. They're toothed whales. Baleen whales (humpbacks, blues, rights, minkes etc) and toothed whales (including killer whales, pilot whales, belugas, narwhals, and dolphins) are a clade, they're monophyletic. They

Yet another sort of problem with Wal-Mart

2007-12-28 Thread Julia Thompson
I have a friend who ordered a toy kitchen online and when she got it, too soon before Christmas to get it replaced if there was a problem, it turned out it had been a return and one piece was broken. So, no play kitchen for her girls for Christmas, which sucks. But not as bad as this:

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Julia Thompson
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: It's wrong, because they are not whales. Yes they are. They're toothed whales. Baleen whales (humpbacks, blues, rights, minkes etc) and toothed whales (including killer whales, pilot whales, belugas, narwhals, and

Dog viciousness (was Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism)

2007-12-28 Thread Nick Arnett
On Dec 28, 2007 3:31 AM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That they've been bred for viciousness says more about the people doing the breeding than the dogs themselves. As for orcas, what's wrong with orcas? They're carnivores, they're top predators, they're smart. But they're no better

Re: Brin:World Building Wiki

2007-12-28 Thread David Brin
Trent... cool looking game... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Brin:World Building Wiki

2007-12-28 Thread jon louis mann
These are the features that I'm thinking of as part of a fairly Luddite cannon. --Only STL travel is possible. No FTL, no worm holes. --No reactionless drives. --No antigravity. --The main means of travel is by beam riding ships weighing a few grams and made of computronium.

Re: Brin:World Building Wiki

2007-12-28 Thread Trent Shipley
Yes. They threw me off the Orion's Arm discussion list for being a worm hole skeptic. On Thursday 2007-12-27 20:57, Max Battcher wrote: Did you look at Orion's Arm? It has a couple of the things you mention: http://www.orionsarm.com/ ___

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Doug
Charlie, thanks for the essay and the links; good stuff. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Dog viciousness (was Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism)

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/12/2007, at 3:02 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: I relaxed a great deal about pits after reading an article citing statistics that made it clear that *owners* are far more responsible for their dogs' behavior than I had imagined before becoming a dog owner Nick, if you can remember where

Re: Brin:World Building Wiki

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/12/2007, at 9:25 AM, Trent Shipley wrote: Yes. They threw me off the Orion's Arm discussion list for being a worm hole skeptic. Skeptic or Denialist? *poke* ;-) Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/12/2007, at 9:46 AM, Doug wrote: Charlie, thanks for the essay and the links; good stuff. *takes a bow* My pleasure. It should be obvious it's one of my favourite topics (well, I did sit through 4 years of it at university...), and I'm always happy to talk zoology or evolutionary

Dog viciousness (was Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism)

2007-12-28 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Nick Arnett said, I have a hard time believing that pits are inherently vicious. They aren't when you are a friend of the little old lady that owns one. (I knew the `little old lady' when she was young, but then, I was young at the same time ...) ... *owners* are far more responsible

Re: Dog viciousness (was Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism)

2007-12-28 Thread Kanandarqu
Nick wrote I relaxed a great deal about pits after reading an article citing statistics that made it clear that *owners* are far more responsible for their dogs' behavior than I had imagined before becoming a dog owner Nick, if you can remember where you read that, there's someone