Re: US Doomed
On 16/01/2008, at 10:19 AM, Jim Sharkey wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: Plenty of room Down Under... Sure, nestled in right next to the various and sundry venomous arthropods, the sharks, the jellyfish and various other natural dangers. Like North America doesn't have its fair share of nasties. (OK, Australia is particularly well represented...). Still, I think I'd prefer those over Huckabee. :-) Word. It's really quite scary that dominionists and other theocrats are so close to the real power in the States, and that reality-based thinking is under such attack. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
On 16/01/2008, at 2:20 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html . If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. You know, a few years ago I would have said the same thing about official torture, ...but America doesn't torture, so what they're doing can't be torture... the incarceration of innocent people, disappearing people (aka ordinary rendition), invasion without cause, etc. etc. It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
John Garcia wrote: Devolve for sure. Huckabee is just another (albeit charismatic) politician trying to remake the world they way he wants it to be. Alas, his world is not the world I want to live in. I wouldn't leave the US if he won, but my attitude would be (to quote some friends of mine) Oh, it's on now mr fr! If nuts like this rule, then this is problably the most you might literally say (maybe you might be allowed to say mother. Maybe). BTW, censorship suckz: here in Brazil the idiots are censuring the sound in videoclips _in English_ (!). Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
Andrew Crystall wrote: In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. What makes you think it would be _easy_ to flee? Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I forgot about the northern border. But the southern border is already closed; the Wall can be used to imprison people both ways. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
Charlie Bell wrote: It's really quite scary that dominionists and other theocrats are so close to the real power in the States, and that reality-based thinking is under such attack. You know, my wife's family consists almost entirely of fairly devout Catholics. Yet not one of them has ever, at least within my earshot, claimed that a guy like Huckabee has the right idea. I just can't quite grasp what it is about a certain mindset that forces people to stop thinking entirely, that God (setting aside whether He exists or not) has all the answers and has some master plan that we have no control over, and that He only gave us these brains we have for show, to be treated like that particular kind of fancy car one never drives. Jim Magical thinking Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. What makes you think it would be _easy_ to flee? Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I forgot about the northern border. But the southern border is already closed; the Wall can be used to imprison people both ways. The Wall isn't built yet. Wonder if coyotes would work to take people the other way? (Coyotes are people who smuggle people from Mexico to the US.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gmail
On Jan 15, 2008 8:45 PM, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Lewis wrote: Gmail is based on the records management philosophy that you shouldn't delete things. You can star or label things so that they are easy to find and the search feature is the best there is (understandably.) I imagine that I'll delete stuff in some of my labels (commercial, political, news) while keeping the stuff in others (brin-l, culture, friends and family). I'm pretty happy with the way its working so far. Over the last two days I got 34 spam messages 31 of which were intercepted by the spam filter and _none_ of the filtered messages were legit. The filtering isn't working perfectly; sometimes even when a message is labeled it doesn't get filtered, but it's very easy to manage the few that get left in the inbox. I've used Gmail for a couple of years now, and I'm very happy with it. -- Mauro Diotallevi Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you be the god of jello now. -- Patricia Wrede, 8/16/2006 on rasfc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
On Jan 15, 2008 5:57 PM, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 15, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I bet 30+ million Canadians, faced with the prospect of being overrun by SUV-driving, Starbucks-sucking weekend lib'rul Yanks,* would damned well find a way to close the border pretty fast. I don't have an SUV (although if I were fleeing to Canada, now that I consider it, maybe I'd want one). And I'm fairly liberal every dang day of the week. SUVs perform poorly in altruistic crash testing, which ranks vehicles on how much damage they inflict. Trouble is, I'm not aware of any rigorous altruistic crash testing. Lately I've been thinking that if I really put others ahead of myself, I'd be on a motorcycle much of the time. Yet as Dave Land pointed out to me, some of the others who I put ahead of myself are my family, who I wouldn't be serving very well if I were splatted all over a freeway. Still, it's a tempting rationalization for a midlife crisis-mobile. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
On Jan 15, 2008 7:14 PM, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? What's the difference between Huckabee and Bush, other than Huckabee is probably smarter and more articulate than most of his pets? If Bush is as fundamentalist and theocratic as Huckabee, he keeps his mouth shut about it more. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over nine years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If no-one is there when you arrive just wait around a while for the next person to show up! If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from the NEW new web interface! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
On Jan 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 16/01/2008, at 2:20 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/ constam.html . If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. You know, a few years ago I would have said the same thing about official torture, ...but America doesn't torture, so what they're doing can't be torture... the incarceration of innocent people, disappearing people (aka ordinary rendition), invasion without cause, etc. etc. It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. What is your problem with classifiers (which MUST be what you meant when you wrote c***s***ers)? Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
On Jan 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. I've given it some more thought, and I believe that you may have been referring to: CHRISTENERS -- who would force the USA to be a Christian nation CLOISTERERS -- who would change the USA into a sort of convent CODESIGNERS -- who would seek to help the Intelligent Designer Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Gmail
Martin Lewis wrote: Gmail is based on the records management philosophy that you shouldn't delete things. You can star or label things so that they are easy to find and the search feature is the best there is (understandably.) any e-mail i don't delete i can put in folders on yahoo, arranged by date and/or subject. each is visible and NOT bundled (TYVM!~). yahoo search works fine, and despite all the years i have been using yahoo, i actually have less spam than i already have in my new gmail account. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Weekly Chat Reminder
On Jan 16, 2008 1:03 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over nine years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! I dropped by, and nobody was home. How sad :-( But I like the new web interface. -- Mauro Diotallevi Alcohol and Calculus don't mix. Don't drink and derive. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
Folks, Here's a Republican (a Senior at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville) who seems to share the opinion of most who have participated in this thread: http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/printarticle.php?articleid=52614 Huckabee not a true Republican by Tipton Taylor I'm a conservative, an evangelical and a registered Republican, and so help me God, if Mike Huckabee is the Republican nominee for president this year, I'll vote for Hillary or Obama or whomever the Democrats nominate. Mike Huckabee symbolizes all that is wrong with the Republican Party. There is a strain of anti-intellectualism alive in American politics and actively embraced by the Republican base that would make the Founding Fathers roll over in their graves, and it is this anti-intellectualism that has allowed the Huckabee movement to gain support. It sounds like this is a guy for whom the phrase so help me God has actual resonance... Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
On 17/01/2008, at 2:49 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: SUVs perform poorly in altruistic crash testing, which ranks vehicles on how much damage they inflict. They also fare poorly in almost all other crash testing too, especially in single vehicle accidents. About the only area where they do better than saloons is in crashes with saloons, and even then they're not as good as one might expect (although the saloon is invariably destroyed). Big and rigid isn't the best for passenger safety. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
On 17/01/2008, at 7:27 AM, Dave Land wrote: On Jan 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. I've given it some more thought, and I believe that you may have been referring to: CHRISTENERS -- who would force the USA to be a Christian nation CLOISTERERS -- who would change the USA into a sort of convent CODESIGNERS -- who would seek to help the Intelligent Designer Very good! Wrong, but good! Charlie. Male Chicken Inhaler Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US Doomed
On 17/01/2008, at 7:08 AM, Dave Land wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. What is your problem with classifiers (which MUST be what you meant when you wrote c***s***ers)? Well, I'd have used the word taxonomists if that's what I'd meant. I was being kind to work email filters. Next time I won't bother... Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
