Re: Brin: Life after people - The Invaders
Thanks. Lots of fun. Thrive on! With best wishes, for a confident and ambitious 21st Century, David Brin www.davidbrin.com From: Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:10:12 PM Subject: Brin: Life after people - The Invaders A great episode!!! Tool-using dolphins, self-uplifing chimpanzees, dolphins that remember humans as Gods in the Golden Age. What's next? Whales, Gorillas or AIs? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: "Cloud Computing" Smears (Was: Google Wave)
On 10/18/2009 0:38, John Williams wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Er. In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing the data, *much* less chance for losing it. RAID does not protect from rm -rf / , which (some variant of) is my guess at what happened. Although now they are saying most of the data is recovered, so maybe it got munged in a reversible way. Any "cloud" service at this point is going to be tens, if not hundreds, of servers. (Major services easily run in the thousands of servers, and if you count "virtual" servers the biggest services are using millions of servers already.) At this point any outage that is going to affect a service as whole is generally going to be a lot subtler (and possibly a lot "nastier", such an accidental viral infection due to an underlying bug/exploit in the service) than a rm -rf /. At least, assuming the system admins are doing their jobs correctly rm -rf / to a single server is extremely unlikely to cause massive outage or damage... (As a service gets large enough hard drives are expected to fail randomly, and surprisingly frequently, and services should be designed around that problem...) -- --Max Battcher-- http://worldmaker.net ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: "Cloud Computing" Smears (Was: Google Wave)
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: > Er. In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing > the data, *much* less chance for losing it. RAID does not protect from rm -rf / , which (some variant of) is my guess at what happened. Although now they are saying most of the data is recovered, so maybe it got munged in a reversible way. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: "Cloud Computing" Smears (Was: Google Wave)
Er. In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing the data, *much* less chance for losing it. I'd just do that anyway. In fact, the computer that's still in a box and is destined to replace the one I'm using right now has a RAID, because I seem to have a knack for catastrophically losing hard drives that baffles my husband entirely. (He has more problems with his PDAs than I do, so I guess there's *some* sort of balance) I think I've lost 2 or 3 in the past 6 years, and any data that wasn't backed up, which is kind of rough for an information junkie. For *that* sort of application, I'd go with a decent number of disks in the array for any one set of data. My own problem with cloud computing is, if the magical set of wires between me and my data has a glitch, I can't get to my data, and we end up with Grumpy Julia, which is not pleasant for anyone directly involved. (Jo Anne -- a RAID is a Redundant Array of Independent Disks, where the data is stored on multiple disks and checked for accuracy on some regular basis. If one drive goes down, either the data should be duplicated somewhere, or there should be enough information stored on another disk or disks to reconstruct what was lost. Off-site backup is still recommended for things like fire, floods and tornadoes, and don't anyone laugh about the tornadoes, m'kay?) Julia ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Brin: Life after people - The Invaders
A great episode!!! Tool-using dolphins, self-uplifing chimpanzees, dolphins that remember humans as Gods in the Golden Age. What's next? Whales, Gorillas or AIs? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Google Wave
Hi all, Nick & Lance have both turned up in my Wave contacts list, so I guess that means they both got their invitations OK. Can't see Dave there yet though. I have started a discussion here & added Nick & Lance to it. https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252B06VwwaASC I tried searching for sen...@iicx.net, but the search only appears to work for x...@googlewave.com, I tried sen...@googlewave.com, but got no hits. My wave address is darkenf...@googlewave.com if anyone wants to find the conversation that way. Sorry, to the others who would have liked an invite. I have only got two left, and I am saving them for the moment, perhaps Nick or Lance might have one to spare. I'm still getting the hang of Wave. I think it has got definite potential, but I'm not sure that it is going to be a game changer. Regards, Wayne (from a new e-mail address) Eddy ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com