Re: Having kids makes some people fulfilled

2010-07-08 Thread Doug Pensinger
I've got two grown kids (30 and 32) and two grandkids (5,3) and while there were moments of profound unhappiness and extreme distress during their upbringing, nothing in my life even comes close to the sense of fulfillment and accomplishment I get from having raised them. >From the article: About

Re: Having kids makes some people fulfilled

2010-07-08 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 8, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Dan Minette wrote: On Jul 8, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Jim Sharkey wrote: Will you please stop bothering your sister Maru My sister is not Maru. Maybe he was addressing Maru, who is lurking on the list. Damn that Maru __

Re: Having kids makes some people fulfilled

2010-07-08 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 8, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Jim Sharkey wrote: On thing the article doesn't seem touch on, particularly in light of how it indicates single parents are worse off, is how much children can be a source of friction in their parents' relationship. It can be hard to be on the same page vis a vi

RE: Having kids makes some people fulfilled

2010-07-08 Thread Dan Minette
On Jul 8, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Jim Sharkey wrote: >> Will you please stop bothering your sister Maru >My sister is not Maru. Maybe he was addressing Maru, who is lurking on the list. Dan M. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mcc

Re: Having kids makes some people fulfilled

2010-07-08 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 8, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Jim Sharkey wrote: Will you please stop bothering your sister Maru My sister is not Maru. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com

Having kids is social security (was Re: Having kids makes you unhappy)

2010-07-08 Thread Nick Arnett
Seems to me that it would be good here to step outside of the developed world and recognize that when people have no safety net, having children is a form of social security - someone to take care of them when they are old. It has been surprising to me when Americans in the midst of a place like th

Re: Having kids makes you unhappy

2010-07-08 Thread Jo Anne
If I may put in my .02 worth... The big pay off to having children, IMO, is...GRANDchildren. What's that quote? "If I'd have known having Grandchildren was so much fun, I would have done it first" --unknown. I always knew I wanted to have kids, what I didn't know when I was 26 and had the first

Re: Having kids makes some people fulfilled

2010-07-08 Thread John Garcia
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Jim Sharkey wrote: > Jim Sharkey > > > > Will you please stop bothering your sister Maru > But she started it first, and anyway, you always take her side! john stuck with TWO younger sisters Maru ___ http://box535.blu

Re: Having kids makes you unhappy

2010-07-08 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:54 PM, David Hobby wrote: > > > And yet, it's very rewarding. I guess I'd boil it down > to one sentence as "Children give one's life meaning". And very large cell phone bills. Nick ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/lis

Re: Having kids makes some people fulfilled

2010-07-08 Thread Jim Sharkey
Dave Land wrote: >Anyway, I had time to read the full NYMag article this evening, and the >author is very aware of the fact that it's not a simple matter of >"pleasurable activities" vs. parenting: > "I think this boils down to a philosophical question, rather > than a psychological o

Re: Having kids makes you unhappy

2010-07-08 Thread Charlie Bell
On 08/07/2010, at 9:26 AM, Dan Minette wrote: > >> ...which makes ond feel worthy, satisfied... happy? >> It's impossible to separate self-interest from that too. Frankly, everyone >> does things for self-interest, even altruism... > > Metaphysical presuppositions about experiences you have nev