I don't necessarily think that's true. Especially since prayer is the
action. Besides, if one has to balance prayer with something, anything,
then it kind of defeats the purpose in the first place doesn't it?
Not in Judaism. At least not in Conservative Judaism.
There's something Napoleon
You are correct in the abstract, but perhaps less so in the concrete. So many
critics of Israel actually ARE motivated by anti-semitism that it is only
prudent to wonder at first. So many proponents of so-called states' rights
really ARE and WERE motivated by racism that again, one's first
Fair enough. One always needs to hope from time to time. But hope is
perpetually optimistic. And it's been my experience that optimism is in most
cases, a complete disregard for the truth.
I can't _prove_ faith, and I'm not trying to. I was merely putting forth the
position (or, rather, _a_
Well sure. And you can make exactly the same objection to ANY reason ANYONE puts
forward for doing ANYTHING. The measure of a measure taken is of course not the
sincerity of the person taking it, but its effect on others. I'm simply saying that
Judaism believes in more than mere faith as a
Well, add me to list of dolts then, Tom. I find myself in that very boat;
I believe gays should have the right to official unions. Hell, why shouldn't
*they* have to have the prospect of giving up half their stuff and arguing
over who gets the coffee table if they break up same as
Is there some bizarre meme that's infected the members of this list that
dictates that every single person who dislikes something would *automatically*
impose his will on others because of it? Do you all simply have that low of
an opinion of everyone else that you assume that no one on the
This was an honest expression of concern and confusion that is shared by
many. I suspect and hope that over time people will get used to the idea but
for
now it does not do the cause of gay union any good to sharply casitgate
someone
for honestly expressed feelings.
If you don't
For whatever it is worth, it is a common meme among conservatives that
liberals consider themselves to be smarter than conservatives.
I don't consider myself necessarily smarter than anyone else. What I would
say is that liberals are much nicer people in their politics than conservatives
In a message dated 2/15/04 1:56:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As I understand it, a big concern of opponents is that once MA allows gay
marriage, other states will be forced to recognize the marriages (IIRC,
states are required to recognize marriages done in other states), and their
own
Or like Karl Marx, actually. Enhancing the
contradictions, isn't that what the Marxists called
it? :-) Been a long time since I read any Marxist
philosophy, and I will admit I didn't pay that much
attention when I was supposed to be studying it...
Well, _some_ Marxists seemed to believe
1) Why do you assume that if he saw contrary evidence,
he would have corrected himself? There was plenty of
contrary evidence available in 1883, and it didn't
seem to stop him.
Actually, there wasn't all that much evidence. He did not foresee the rise of
the labor union movement. He
I'm not sure about that. In many many ways his ideas are both wrong and
dangerous. His focusing on classes and the inevitability of class
struggle, his inability to see the possibility of moderation and compromise
all are firm foundations for the evil done in his name.
At the time, there
Ask and ye shall learn:
http://truthout.org/docs_04/020804C.shtml
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
___
So, going on the assumption that the Gospels are the best historical
account we have of the events we are discussing, is it not ahistorical to
simply skip over Matthew 27:20-25? How would you suggest a film-maker
handle that important portion of the story without making Jews nervous?
Not
I interpreted Tom's post as very clearly judging all Christians. Perhaps
you saw Tom's post differently?
I hope I don't judge all Christians negatively. Most Christians are appalled
by violence against anyone. Throughout history this has also probably been
true (if it had been otherwise,
But, what about God forgiving David?
God can forgive sins against God, not against someone else. Only the person
sinned against can forgive those (in Jewish teaching, that is).
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see
I would argue that John Paul II has done precisely that.
To a large extent, yes. Certainly more than any major Christian leader before
him (well, Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI also did a lot).
Still a long way to go, though.
But isn't judging all Christians as a class exactly the sort of
Blasphemy
against the Jewish God, which they believed Jesus guilty of, while a
capital offense in the Law of Moses, was not any sort of offense at all
under Roman law. So those Jews (note that I am not saying all Jews were
responsible, just as not all Arabs were responsible for 9/11) had to
Sometimes forgeting (and forgiving) IS the choice with wisdom.
A) Judaism teaches that only the wronged party may forgive. I can't forgive
the Nazis for the Holocaust because I was not a victim.
B) I believe very strongly that forgetting the Holocaust would be a further
betrayal of its
I don't think it was the best Super Bowl ever, although it was one of the
best ever. I'd put Giants-Bills as the best (besides the exciting finish, and the
buildup - during the beginning of what would later be Gulf War I, the game
was extremely well played - neither team committed a turnover,
So IYO no one can ever make a movie about the life of Jesus -- where for
Christians the main point of the life of Jesus is His death and
resurrection and its meaning for us today -- because some people use the
fact that some Jews who lived at the time were involved in his death to
justify
And yet, another State without an evolution curriculum is that right-wing
hotbed of Illinois.
Illinois has an extreme split between the northeastern corner of Chicago and
the rest of the state. The southern half of the state is actually basically
eastern Missouri. Illinois is, alas, by no
I believe that you are furthering the causes of these broods of vipers
by republishing their venom.
I won't even give their words the respect shown by repeating them, even
to point out the evil they contain.
Far more to the point, will Mel Gibson repudiate their hate-filled verbal
vomit,
If a group of Jews make a movie about WWII in the year 3950 will there be
Germans complaining that it sheds them in a bad light?
I just hope and pray that there are still Jews around in the year 3950 to
make a movie about WWII (or to do anything else).
Tom Beck
Ah yes. You believe. I for one, believe that views like that, hold back
any sort of honest discourse. Furthermore, to brand something evil, is to
show either a narrow-minded approach to things, or a faithful belief in what
you are spoon-fed. Prove to me however, that evil is a substantial
Thou shalt not kill.
To translate the Hebrew accurately, it says, Don't murder.
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
___
Agreed. I frequently quote from the KJV because a lot of people have heard
the familiar passages from that translation, even if they're not very
familiar with the Bible. Many experts will say that more modern translations like
the NIV may indeed be more accurate, but there's something
None of them are perfect.
That's for sure. Most Jews use one version or another based on the Jewish
Publication Society's translation, and that has a lot of figurative rather than
literal translations. The Conservative movement's commentary is always pointing
out where it thinks the JPS
In a message dated 2/1/04 10:46:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
God knows what really happened.
Exactly. YOU DON'T know. You weren't there. I wasn't there. Stop talking like
you were.
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed
Looks like business is booming at the snow quarry...if the new Doctor Who has
an episode set on an ice planet, they can film it there.
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
Incidentally, Tom, when do you ever follow that rule?
Or does it only apply to liberals? Speaking about
Republicans when you have no knowledge, that's not
exactly a problem for you, is it?
Not sure I can recall the last time I accused anyone of any political stripe
of murder.
Tom Beck
element 115 will be designated Ununpentium
Except it might be 114 or 116...
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
___
In all seriousness, I still don't get it. Other than
such displays of force, what do you think a Qaddafi
would respond to? As far as I can tell, _nothing_
except force is likely to get results from someone
like him.
There have been stories that he also responded to such things as his
There were a number of young men in the South who fought for the
Confederacy not because they were trying to defend slavery, but because
they felt allegiance to their states before their country. While the
simplistic interpretation, and maybe the most correct one, of the Civil
War was that
Personaly I think that scientific information, discoveries should
never be secret. I had a physics prof who had a pattent on an
solution to a class of equations. (don't remember details), So,
everyone now knows the information, can use the solution in their
work, but if they use the solution
In a message dated 1/29/04 5:20:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not the equation, a method for ~solving~ a family of equations.
But that's still a description of the natural universe - the method is as
much part of mathematics as the equations themselves. It exists independent of
the
The Army War College thinks the Bush Administration has been ignoring
Afghanistan in its zeal to go after Iraq.
Army War College essay calls Iraq war 'distraction'
By THOMAS E. RICKS
Washington Post
WASHINGTON -- A scathing new report published by the Army War College broadly
criticizes the
No post-explosion pictures.
No sound.
Still icky.
Probably work-safe.
Unless you work at Greenpeace...
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
Japanese telecom carriers, pioneers of internet-capable and
picture-snapping handsets, have now come up with the world's first
mobile phone that enables users to listen to calls inside their
heads - by conducting sound through bone.
Thus validating every poor schizophrenic in the world...
Here in Brazil the number of children born with inherited AIDS
decreased from about 8% to about 3% in the past few years. We
_may_ have it under control.
Mazal tov, but that has nothing to do with Bush reneging on his promise by
making a splashy announcement about increasing American
People who think that social programs are a waste of taxpayer money have
failed to learn from history. The poor overthrowing their own nation's
government due to feeling neglected and oppressed is something that has
happened repeatedly (The French Revolution, The Russian Revolution, etc.).
Obviously it is only a start. The converse of No bucks = No Buck Rogers
is also true. Open your mind, man. And your heart.
Open your eyes, man. And your brain. You're taking the wish for the deed.
Bush is infamous for propsing things that sound nice, so he can some nice
publicity, and
Actually, I'm quite sure that Bush is laughing at you.
Let him. The man's such a worthless buffoon, I take that as a badge of honor.
At least he's not fooling ME.
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr
My real problem with any attempt to defend the fact that Bush came into
office determined to get rid of Saddam by saying the reason was to bring about
regime change, save the people from Iraq, and be nicey was, during the 2000
campaign, Bush repeatedly derided the very idea of nation-building
Anyone find it more than curious that the Bush Administration, which has been
doing everything it can to obstruct the inquiry into who leaked Valerie
Plame's name undercover CIA status, is leaping to investigate whether or not Paul
O'Neill leaked secret documents in his book? Smells mighty
And there are plans for invading N Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Japan,
Columbia, New Zealand, Spain, Canada..any country you want. It's what
the military does.
Plans in the Pentagon are not the same thing as plans in the White House. I
think the point is not that the Defense Dept. was
It is time someone asked. What our government did to Maher Arar is worse
than anything the British did to our Colonial forefathers. It was worse
than anything J. Edgar Hoover did to alleged Communists, civil rights
workers and anti-war activists during his long program of dirty tricks.
Responding to another list member's ghost post with hateful, hate filled
clones: too upset to come up with more adjectives? I'd say you and your
lot are the ones filled with hate and madness. I'm happy even with pipes in
my kitchen frozen, the cable being out, my cat being sick and numerous
Perhaps you arrest and tort..., ah,
thoroughly interrogate 99 basically innocent profilees to snare a single
operative or active supporter.
We. Don't. Torture. Period. Besides being despicable, it almost never works.
Most people will say ANYTHING to stop being tortured.
I understand the
Anyhow, I will now humbly wait for all of the Brin-L's resident liberals to
point out that interrogtating a foreigner without a lawyer (if indeed that
this story is true) does not constitute a high crime and misdemeanor.
Don't ever travel in a foreign country in case you get on the wrong
At any rate, who cares about this stuff? About the most damning claim
O'Neill has is that Bush actually had far more pre-planning for the war in
Iraq than we have previously none. So, we are going to pillory Bush for
planning ahead?
Um...well...considering that he never mentioned any
9. You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling
reason why we observe daylight savings time.
Not true.
14. Your friends love you anyway.
Definitely true, at least in my case.
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon.
In answer to zMUD question of ever having seen Andy Sirkis, Gollum/Smeagol,
in anything else, he was in Topsy-Turvy as the chicken walking Choregrapher.
That's an outstanding movie. Highly entertaining. Delightful.
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man
http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=16205
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
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Rather, I am referring to the fact that Roe vs. Wade is the _original_
right to privacy case in the United States. The US Supreme Court in
that case, did not find a right to abortion in that case - how could they?
- but rather found that 'the penumbra of the Constitution' contains a right
A) Veneman did not appear to indicate any second thoughts about American
cattle eating animal byproducts.
B) Wonder what this will do to the US blood supply. They already exclude
people from donating blood who've lived for more than a certain amount of time in
England and other places that
How is this mother any different than the neglectful wealthy parents of such
worthless scum as Paris Hilton?
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
How is this mother any different than the neglectful wealthy parents of
such
worthless scum as Paris Hilton?
Thats a rhetorical question, right?!!!
G
If you mean, that it answers itself (and the answer is, not in any
significant way), then yes.
Tom Beck
The temp score they're using for the trailer is the Stargate SG-1 theme...
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
___
As if their incredibly bad taste in programming isn't enough, on the
Friday after Christmas, the Sci-Fi Channel will be doing an all day
Tremors marathon - every episode in order, and the movies. It's almost
painful.
I dunno, the first movie is very funny. Never saw any of the other
If we travel through this extra cosmic arm in the Milky Way that they
believe wraps around the
outskirts of the vast galaxy like a thick gas border will we become
superhuman like Gary Lockwood and Sally Kellerman in Where No Man Has Gone Before?
Kewel!
;)
Tom Beck
Looks like they're doing DNA tests to confirm. I wonder what that's going
to mean to Iraq in both the short and long terms.
It'll probably lead to a more widespread acceptance of the validity of DNA
testing throughout the Middle East...
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always
http://nytimes.com/2003/12/01/nyregion/01SHIP.html
Tom DeLay, despicable if all-powerful Speaker of the House, wants delegates
to the Republican convention in NYC next summer to eschew the city's hotels and
restaurants and instead be his captives, er, sorry, guests on a luxury cruise
liner a
When Asthma Attacks
A new report from Clean the Air reveals that the ill-conceived energy bill,
should it be enacted into law, would haveA
HREF=http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2003/11/20/news/02energybzbigs.txt;
severe public health consequences/A
around the country especially
I loved the pure surreal nuttiness of Family Guy. The talking dog that
everyone simply accepts...Stewie's megalomaniacal madness.
But I also loved Futurama, too. Bring 'em both back!
(Anyone but me notice the problem Fox has with shows that start with F?
Family Guy, Futurama, Firefly,
Martin and Lockheed merged, creating Lockheed Martin
It was a merger in name only, believe me. I lost my job as a result of the
so-called merger, which basically ended with Lockheed running the show,
shutting down Martin facilities and putting Martin employees out of work, and
Martin's
In the pro-lifers don't do enough to oppose violence against abortionists
department:
http://www.lifenews.com/nat209.html
Investigators revealed more information on Thursday about Stephen John
Jordi, the man whom FBI agents arrested this week on suspicions of plotting
to firebomb
do you seriously think that it's easy to become
the CEO of a major corporation? These guys are (in
general) like Major League Baseball players.
Obviously there are exceptions, but most of the time,
even the worst one is so much better at what he does
than the average person that it's barely
I, for one, don't think Fox is unbiased. I think it's
about as biased as CNN or PBS - considerably less than
NPR, though, to be honest. It's just in the opposite
direction. The hysterical reaction to Fox, it seems
to me, has more to do with the sudden shock of the
leftist intelligentisia
What do you expect from these scumbags in the White House? They announce
nice-sounding proposals and reap the benefit from people who want to believe that
their (in this case not really) elected officials are on the side of the
angels. Then, after getting good press for their announcement - and
Out of curiosity, do you object to Tom Clancy novels? After all, they
contain plausible scenarios by which our country and government heads could
be attacked by all sorts of terrorists, resulting in the deaths of millions.
Oh, come on, it's not even remotely comparable. In Clancy's novels,
Its a good thing Catholics are Jews Fool, or else you might really have
gotten yourself in trouble at the very least you probably wouldn't be
allowed to write football columns any more
Catholics are Jews? Um...since when...?
Tom Beck
www.prydonians.org
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
ALABAMA CHICKENS COME HOME TO ROOST: This fall, state and national
conservative groups led the charge to kill Alabama Gov. Bob Riley's tax redistribution
efforts and now aren't willing to pay the price. The Republican governor warned
at the time that the cash-strapped state was in dire fiscal
Yet. I wouldn't put it beyond a fanatic to do something unfortunate.
(Remember a certain chap called Rabin? I do...)
There was also Baruch Goldstein in 1994, I'm ashamed to say.
The difference is, most Jews worldwide were aghast at both. With a few
despicable exceptions, there was hardly
Justice Brown, if confirmed, would be the 11th Judge on the D.C. Circuit.
Sens. Charles Grassley, Jon Kyl, and Jeff Sessions voted in favor of her
nomination yesterday. But in 1997, opposing President Clinton's nominee to the D.C.
Circuit, citing the D.C. circuits relatively low caseload, Sen.
I've heard conservative commentators quote reputable polling companies as
indicating that the people of Iraq favor US involvement. I've read that
Cheney quoted a Zogby poll as indicating this favorable response. Yet,
when I searched for the poll, I got this result.
I read an interview
It's saying we're not going to allow the opposition party to ask
questions about the way we use tax money, said R. Scott Lilly,
Democratic staff director for the House committee. As far as I know,
this is without modern precedent.
Norman Ornstein, a congressional specialist at the American
1. EVOLUTION: IT'S A NATURAL LAW, AND IT'S IN TEXAS SCHOOLBOOKS.
By a vote of 11 - 4, the Texas State Board of Education yesterday
rejected efforts of religious groups, the Discovery Institute in
particular, to get science textbooks adopted that conform to the
religious tenets of intelligent
Bluegrass
Love (used to play banjo - poorly)
Lyle Leavitt
Eh
the music featured in Oh Brother Where Art Thou?
Loved
the music of Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys?
Don't know
late 19th century country music which is tied to 16th and 17th century
English music?
Don't know
Tom
I thought awhile back that if I were ever attacked
and managed to knock my
attacker down and unconscious for a bit, I'd use
whatever I had at hand to
carve an asterisk in the forehead of the person,
then run and call the
police. The marring of the forehead would make
for
I don't particularly like country music as such. I do like certain artists
who tend to be considered country performers. My favorite singer period is
Mary-Chapin Carpenter, but I don't know that I'd call her a country singer, even
though she has often been listed as one. I also like Kathy
I thought awhile back that if I were ever attacked and managed to knock my
attacker down and unconscious for a bit, I'd use whatever I had at hand to
carve an asterisk in the forehead of the person, then run and call the
police. The marring of the forehead would make for easier identification
[He overstates his case here, as most
Christians consider Jesus 'given for the sake of the
world' and I think there is a Jewish concept of 'being
a light unto the world' also.]
There is a core Jewish concept of the people Israel being called upon by God
to be or l'goyim (a light unto the
Women die all the time because of pregnacies and all kinds of related
problems with pregnacies.
And doctors try to do something about that so the death rate will decline,
just as they are trying to cure cancer.
The that parasite can also last for more 18
years draining resources, time,
And neither of us would call Marxism a religion. I would call
Marxism-Leninism/Stalinism the official state (pseudo) religion of the
former USSR though... and it was evil, EVIL I say!
Please leave Marx out of it. He died in 1883 (34 years before the Russian
Revolution), he never expected
I imagine that a number of white people in Texas who own guns would have
something to say about this
You would hope they would not be thinking selfishly of themselves (You can't
move them people into MY neighborhood), but that the entire idea of
apartheid for ANYONE is loathesome and
I would prefer a monorail system instead.
People of Springfield Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! /People of Springfield
Tom Beck
www.prydonians.org
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
In a message dated 11/2/03 3:22:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:32:28PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
I would prefer a monorail system instead.
Umm, how does it go, is there a danger that the track will bend?
Not on your life, my Hindu friend!
Tom Beck
Transportation sucks. Traffic is horrible, and public transit has poor
coverage unless you just want to go to New York or Philly.
Well, bad traffic and poor public transit are not unique to New Jersey. At
least New Jersey *has* New York and Philly to go to...not too many states are
situated
If you want to spend hours commuting to and from work, Jersey's your place
then!
You're acting like New Jersey is somehow uniquely bad in this regard. The
traffic near Boston, DC, Long Island, LA, and Atlanta is at least at bad and
probably worse. The Long Island Expressway is not
My understanding of Jewish theological teaching (which is
sketchy at best!) is that while God is the ultimate
authority, Man must participate in decision-making
processes, and so must seek knowledge and ask
questions.
Well, the Jewish idea is that God began the creation of the Earth, but
I was going to ask what you thought a self-described free thinker would say
to someone who opposes abortion, but you seem to have answered that
question already, and to have made my point that the free thinkers are just
as unaccepting and unforgiving of those in their ranks who do not agree
I think the Iraqi WMDs are on a Mid-East tour. After Syria, they are
probably headed towards Iran. :)
Cool t-shirt.
Tom Beck
www.prydonians.org
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
Well, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God, of course.
My feeling is, what we say about God says more about us than it does about
God. As a Conservative Jew, I do not take the Torah as literally dictated by God
to Moses, but more as a compendium of sacred texts written over time.
I wish you all a very happy and prosperous Diwali.
Thanks, and I wish you back an equally happy and prosperous Dibeaver and
Dieddie.
Tom Beck
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the
last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle
But the Buffalo school is believed to be the first facility to use the
technology to identify and track children.
In 1873, as the post-Civil War inflationary boom went bust, a
devastating panic
hit the United States, leaving unemployment and poverty in its wake; the
country
sank into an
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2003/10/22/barbours_racist_links_tar_bush_too?mode=PF
DERRICK Z. JACKSON
Barbour's racist links tar Bush too
By Derrick Z. Jackson, 10/22/2003
AT THE ASIAN economic summit in Bangkok, President Bush condemned the recent
Yes. Pretty much the way it has been done for at least 102 years (since
the current state constitution was written by said interests to keep
themselves in power) and probably for the past 184 years (since
statehood). People are sick and tired of it, and sick and tired of
throwing good money
An immediate/short term way to make everything hunky-dory and avoid all
pain for everyone? I don't see one. I don't think there is one.
Long term? Remind the public servants on Goat Hill in Montgomery that
their job is to serve the *public*, not ALFA, Paul Hubbard, etc.
Except...the
From the Center for American Progress:
ECONOMY - ALABAMA LIVES WITH ITS VOTE: Just six weeks ago, AlabamaA
HREF=http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A51143-2003Sep9?language=printer;shot
down/A
an attempt by Gov. Bob Riley to reform taxes in an attempt to stem the
hemorrhaging state
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