Don't drink and drive: Smoke marijuana and drive

2007-11-28 Thread Alberto Monteiro
I got this from another list... Maybe that's why Clinton was better than 
Bush II...

Alberto Monteiro

http://peety-passion.com/relax/2007/11/27/stoned-drivers-are-safe-drivers/

Stoned drivers are safe drivers
November 27th, 2007 | $B*(B

marijuana

Two decades of research show that marijuana use may actually reduce
driver accidents.

The effects of marijuana use on driving performance have been
extensively researched over the last 20 years. All major studies show
that marijuana consumption has little or no effect on driving ability,
and may actually reduce accidents. Here's a summary of the biggest
studies into pot use and driving.

A 1983 study by the US National Highway Transportation Safety
Administration (NHTSA) concluded that the only significant affect of
cannabis use was slower driving - arguably a positive effect of
driving high.

A comprehensive 1992 NHTSA study revealed that pot is rarely involved
in driving accidents, except when combined with alcohol. The study
concluded that the THC-only drivers had an [accident] responsibility
rate below that of the drug free drivers. This study was buried for
six years and not released until 1998.

A 1993 NHTSA study dosed Dutch drivers with THC and tested them on
real Dutch roads. It concluded that THC caused no impairment except
for a slight deficiency in the driver's ability to maintain a steady
lateral position on the road. This means that the THC-dosed drivers
had a little trouble staying smack in the center of their lanes, but
showed no other problems. The study noted that the effects of even
high doses of THC were far less than that of alcohol or many
prescription drugs. The study concluded that THC's adverse effects on
driving performance appear relatively small.

A massive 1998 study by the University of Adelaide and Transport South
Australia examined blood samples from drivers involved in 2,500
accidents. It found that drivers with only cannabis in their systems
were slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without.
Drivers with both marijuana and alcohol did have a high accident
responsibility rate. The report concluded, there was no indication
that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents.

In Canada, a 1999 University of Toronto meta-analysis of studies into
pot and driving showed that drivers who consumed a moderate amount of
pot typically refrained from passing cars and drove at a more
consistent speed. The analysis also confirmed that marijuana taken
alone does not increase a driver's risk of causing an accident.

A major study done by the UK Transport Research Laboratory in 2000
found that drivers under the influence of cannabis were more cautious
and less likely to drive dangerously. The study examined the effects
of marijuana use on drivers through four weeks of tests on driving
simulators. The study was commissioned specifically to show that
marijuana was impairing, and the british government was embarrassed
with the study's conclusion that marijuana users drive more safely
under the influence of cannabis.

According to the Cannabis and Driving report, a comprehensive
literature review published in 2000 by the UK Department of
Transportation, the majority of evidence suggests that cannabis use
may result in a lower risk of [accident] culpability.

The Canadian Senate issued a major report into all aspects of
marijuana in 2002. Their chapter on Driving under the influence of
cannabis concludes that Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses,
has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving.

The most recent study into drugs and driving was published in the July
2004 Journal of Accident Analysis and Prevention. Researchers at the
Dutch Institute for Road Safety Research analyzed blood tests from
those in traffic accidents, and found that even people with blood
alcohol between 0.5% and 0.8% (below the legal limit) had a five-fold
increase in the risk of serious accident. Drivers above the legal
alcohol limit were 15 times more likely to have a collision. Drugs
like Valium and Rohypnol produced results similar to alcohol, while
cocaine and opiates showed only a small but not statistically
significant increase in accident risk. As for the marijuana-only
users? They showed absolutely no increased risk of accidents at all.

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Re: Don't drink and drive: Smoke marijuana and drive

2007-11-28 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:21 AM Wednesday 11/28/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
I got this from another list... Maybe that's why Clinton was better than
Bush II...

Alberto Monteiro

http://peety-passion.com/relax/2007/11/27/stoned-drivers-are-safe-drivers/

Stoned drivers are safe drivers
November 27th, 2007 | $B*(B


A massive 1998 study by the University of Adelaide and Transport South
Australia examined blood samples from drivers involved in 2,500
accidents. It found that drivers with only cannabis in their systems
were slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without.
Drivers with both marijuana and alcohol did have a high accident
responsibility rate.



So presumably the decrease in accident rate due to cannabis alone is 
not enough to offset the increase due to alcohol alone, and leaving 
unstated whether accident rate (marijuana + EtOH) = accident rate 
(EtOH alone) or accident rate (marijuana + EtOH)  accident rate (EtOH alone).



  The report concluded, there was no indication
that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents.



But does it increase the risk when used in conjunction with other 
drugs?  'Cuz in my admittedly limited observation of such things 
there appear to be a number of people who use both at the same time 
or nearly so (IOW they may finish the beer and then light up or 
something like that).  Another question is based on the observation 
that people who drink alcohol do not always refrain from doing so 
when they are taking Rx or OTC medications and that sometimes alcohol 
and the other medication react synergistically to frex make the 
person significantly more drowsy than s/he would be on either alcohol 
alone or the medication alone.  Does marijuana have a similar effect 
when mixed with other things the person may already be taking?


-- Ronn!  :)



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Re: Don't drink and drive: Smoke marijuana and drive

2007-11-28 Thread Julia Thompson


On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Dave Land wrote:

 This brings to mind the long-standing question, what is the big deal 
 about marijuana, anyway? America, anyway, has had this stupid Reefer 
 Madness mentality for far too long, especially given that a far, far 
 more dangerous drug is available in numerous forms at the supermarket or 
 neighborhood liquor store.

It has to do with someone's vast forests earlier in the century and 
wanting to keep paper production restricted to wood pulp.  IIRC.  Can't 
remember who, though, to back it up with lots of reference or anything.

Julia

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Re: Don't drink and drive: Smoke marijuana and drive

2007-11-28 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 28, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 At 04:21 AM Wednesday 11/28/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:

 Maybe that's why Clinton was better than Bush II...

A better driver? I don't have any data on that.

My own personal feelings on the matter of notwithstanding, I think the
jury is still out for some Americans whether Clinton I was a better
president than Bush II. Of course, some Americans still think there was
a link between Iraq and 9/11. Evidently, some Americans couldn't find
their own asses with both hands and a map.

 A massive 1998 study by the University of Adelaide and Transport  
 South
 Australia examined blood samples from drivers involved in 2,500
 accidents. It found that drivers with only cannabis in their systems
 were slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without.
 Drivers with both marijuana and alcohol did have a high accident
 responsibility rate.

 So presumably the decrease in accident rate due to cannabis alone  
 is not
 enough to offset the increase due to alcohol alone, and leaving  
 unstated
 whether accident rate (marijuana + EtOH) = accident rate (EtOH  
 alone) or
 accident rate (marijuana + EtOH)  accident rate (EtOH alone).

Or, for the sake of completeness: accident rate (THC + EtOH)  accident
rate (EtOH alone)?

It was not clear to me whether the beneficial effects of THC were able
to compensate for some of the deleterious effects of EtOH, but that
would be a nice finding.

  The report concluded, there was no indication
 that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents.

 But does it increase the risk when used in conjunction with other
 drugs?  'Cuz in my admittedly limited observation of such things
 there appear to be a number of people who use both at the same time
 or nearly so (IOW they may finish the beer and then light up or
 something like that).  Another question is based on the observation
 that people who drink alcohol do not always refrain from doing so
 when they are taking Rx or OTC medications and that sometimes alcohol
 and the other medication react synergistically to frex make the
 person significantly more drowsy than s/he would be on either alcohol
 alone or the medication alone.  Does marijuana have a similar effect
 when mixed with other things the person may already be taking?

This brings to mind the long-standing question, what is the big deal
about marijuana, anyway? America, anyway, has had this stupid Reefer
Madness mentality for far too long, especially given that a far, far
more dangerous drug is available in numerous forms at the supermarket
or neighborhood liquor store.

Not to say that I would replace my consumption of drink responsibly
quantities of that dangerous drug with marijuana, because I don't want
to fsck up my lungs. My mother and brother were both killed by lung
cancer, so I suspect I should keep mine clean for as long as I can.

Dave

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Smoke marijuana and drive

2007-11-28 Thread jon louis mann
  I got this from another list... Maybe that's why Clinton was better than 
Bush II...
Alberto Monteiro
http://peety-passion.com/relax/2007/11/27/stoned-drivers-are-safe-drivers/
   
  speaking for myself, i would not risk driving stone-ed, especially with the 
high quality hydroponic, genetically enhanced herb on the market these days.
  jon

   
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Re: Don't drink and drive: Smoke marijuana and drive

2007-11-28 Thread Alberto Monteiro

Dave Land wrote:
 
 Not to say that I would replace my consumption of drink responsibly
 quantities of that dangerous drug with marijuana, because I don't 
 want to fsck up my lungs. My mother and brother were both killed by lung
 cancer, so I suspect I should keep mine clean for as long as I can.
 
Marijuana doesn't fsck the lungs, it fscks neurons - and you have only
two lungs, so why bother in losing a few million neurons when you have
billions?

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Don't drink and drive: Smoke marijuana and drive

2007-11-28 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 28, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:

 Dave Land wrote:

 Not to say that I would replace my consumption of drink responsibly
 quantities of that dangerous drug with marijuana, because I don't
 want to fsck up my lungs. My mother and brother were both killed  
 by lung
 cancer, so I suspect I should keep mine clean for as long as I can.

 Marijuana doesn't fsck the lungs, it fscks neurons - and you have only
 two lungs, so why bother in losing a few million neurons when you have
 billions?

I know that the brilliance of my posts to the list suggest that I have
bags and bags of neurons to spare, but the fact is that I already have a
sizable hole in my brain where a nice, friendly mixed oligoastrocytoma
was removed in 2003. Thus, my lungs _and_ my neurons may be in shorter
supply than your average Brineller.

Dave

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Re: Don't drink and drive: Smoke marijuana and drive

2007-11-28 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 12:49 PM Wednesday 11/28/2007, Dave Land wrote:
On Nov 28, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

  At 04:21 AM Wednesday 11/28/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
 It found that drivers with only cannabis in their systems
  were slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without.
  Drivers with both marijuana and alcohol did have a high accident
  responsibility rate.



IOW accident rate (THC) (slightly) accident rate (nothing), but 
accident rate (THC + EtOH)  accident rate (nothing).



  *** So presumably the decrease in accident rate due to cannabis alone
  is not enough to offset the increase due to alcohol alone ***, 
 and leaving
  unstated whether accident rate (marijuana + EtOH) = accident rate (EtOH
  alone) or accident rate (marijuana + EtOH)  accident rate (EtOH alone).

Or, for the sake of completeness: accident rate (THC + EtOH)  accident
rate (EtOH alone)?



Covered in the first part of the question.


-- Ronn!  :)



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RE: Don't drink and drive: Smoke marijuana and drive

2007-11-28 Thread Jim Sharkey

Alberto Monteiro wrote:
http://peety-passion.com/relax/2007/11/27/stoned-drivers-are-safe-drivers/
Stoned drivers are safe drivers
Two decades of research show that marijuana use may actually reduce
driver accidents.

I can't be the only one who thought this was going to be a Bill Hicks routine, 
can I?

Jim
Arizona Bay Maru

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RE: Don't drink and drive: Smoke marijuana and drive

2007-11-28 Thread Robert Seeberger

On 11/28/2007 4:55:58 PM, Jim Sharkey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Alberto Monteiro wrote:
 http://peety-passion.com/relax/2007/11/27/stoned-drivers-are-safe-
 drivers/
 Stoned drivers are safe drivers
 Two decades of research show that marijuana use may actually reduce
 driver accidents.

 I can't be the only one who thought this was going to be a Bill 
 Hicks routine, can I?

You mean Beelzebozo?



xponent
Relentless maru
rob 


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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
 Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  but the basic statistics on second hand
 smoke have been supported by real testing.
 
snip 
 I think it is a mistake to look for single causes
 when the potential
 for synergistic effects should be evident.

Yes, tobacco and other air pollutants/contaminants can
be contributory, additive or synergystic (that was
touched on in some of the air pollution abstracts I
posted); a uranium miner who smokes a couple of packs
a day likely has a greater statistical chance of
developing lung cancer than a non-smoking miner, or a
smoker non-miner (I say likely b/c I can't recall the
exact reference, but will track it down if requested).
 
 Just what is in that underarm deodorant anyway?
 And how much of it gets into your lymphatic system?

nod  Yes, a recent study links breast cancer with
aluminum-containing deodorants -- the question may be,
as in Alzheimer's, does aluminum _cause_ the
mutation/tangle, or does the mutated cell/fibrillary
tangle bind Al more tightly for some reason?
 
 If you can smell it or taste it, or rub it on your
 body, its likely in
 your bloodstream seconds later.

Organic solvents are particularly nasty for
penetrating the skin; many water-soluble chemicals are
repelled effectively by intact skin.  Mucous membranes
are more vulnerable to both, as well as to penetration
by microbes, which is why the digestive system has
such a high concentration of immune tissue.

Our defenses are pretty darn good against the hordes
of bacteria and viruses waiting to pounce, and over
the millenia we've recruited our own host of
protective bugs to aid in the battle, but we haven't
had time to develop good strategies against some of
the chemicals that never existed in our environment
before the industrial revolution.  Some can be
interpreted as a variant of our own self-generated
hormones, and wreak mischief.

Certain 'communities' of bacteria, OTOH, as a group
can adapt to fairly toxic organic compounds, one
breaking a portion from it, and passing the metabolite
on to the next in the chain.

Debbi
who'd better stop before she whirls off in a tangent
on the web of life... ;)


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Practice? (was: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure)

2004-01-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Julia wrote:
 
  Uh, yeah.  How hard can it be to pee on the
 correct part of the thing, anyway?  :)
 
 Depends on how far awy you stand.  8^)
 Doug
 ROU Target Practice

lol
Well, apparently in some trials with actual patients,
as many as 20+% performed the test incorrectly
somehow...I think most were timing or dilution errors.

Debbi
We Aim To Please...You Aim Too, Please! Maru   ;)

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Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3996062/
Martha S. Jones has asthma, so whenever her husband,
Bob, lights up at their Woodbridge home, the agreement
is that he steps outside.
 
She used to think that protected her from exposure to
the more than 4,000 chemical compounds found in
cigarette smoke, 43 of which are known to cause cancer
in humans or animals. Then she tried a new
do-it-yourself urine test for detecting exposure to
secondhand smoke, and her sense of security dissolved.

The test rated her at 2 on a scale of 6 -- one notch
below that of a regular smoker. Jones said she was
shocked to register such a high level of passive smoke
exposure, which she thinks came from nicotine residue
in her husband's car and time spent with his smoking
friends away from their house. Now she is working --
delicately -- to persuade her husband to quit, she
said...

...The TobacAlerttest doesn't require expensive and
time-consuming lab analysis, and results appear in
about 15 minutes, Munzar said. The test strip is
sensitive enough to detect only an hour of exposure to
tobacco smoke in the previous three days...

...Secondhand smoke is well established by scientists
as a cause of disease in nonsmokers. The Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention estimates that
secondhand smoke causes 3,000 adult nonsmokers to die
of lung cancer each year, and some experts say many
other deaths result from cardiovascular illnesses
triggered or exacerbated by smoke exposure. The CDC
says secondhand smoke causes coughing, phlegm, reduced
lung function and reddened, itchy, watery eyes for
countless people. 

In children younger than 18 months, secondhand smoke
causes 150,000 to 300,000 respiratory tract infections
a year, the CDC estimates. Children frequently exposed
to tobacco smoke suffer more respiratory problems and
ear infections and are more likely to develop asthma,
the agency said. About 60 percent of deaths from
sudden infant death syndrome are attributable to
exposure to parental tobacco smoke before or after
birth, CDC said.

If you argue in court that secondhand smoke doesn't
kill, they will laugh you out of court, said James L.
Repace, a Beltsville-based air quality expert who has
participated in dozens of battles nationwide over
smoking restrictions. Repace said home tests could
inspire more suits. Once people find out they are
exposed in such graphic terms, they get upset, he
said... 
 

This kit is much cheaper than the tests performed at
medical laboratories, and the manufacterer said
TobacAlert compared favorably with lab tests in
company studies, and they promised to share details in
scientific meetings and journals -- various other
home test kits can be of high quality, like pregnancy
tests, but certainly this one shouldn't be used in any
legal proceeding until it is shown to be equally
accurate.

Debbi

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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Seeberger

- Original Message - 
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: brinl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM
Subject: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

[Snip bad science for commercial purposes]

And Martha then vacuums her new carpet, uses household cleansers and
breaths the fumes, burns a candle for a good part of the evening, and
then drives to a Wal-Mart at the confluence of two interstates.

Martha dies of lung cancer 50 years later at the age of 80 and is duly
listed as a tobacco related death.


xponent
Second Hand Smoke Nazis Maru
rob


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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Dan Minette

- Original Message - 
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure



 - Original Message - 
 From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: brinl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM
 Subject: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

 [Snip bad science for commercial purposes]

 And Martha then vacuums her new carpet, uses household cleansers and
 breaths the fumes, burns a candle for a good part of the evening, and
 then drives to a Wal-Mart at the confluence of two interstates.

 Martha dies of lung cancer 50 years later at the age of 80 and is duly
 listed as a tobacco related death.

There is a pretty easy experiment test for this; use a control group of
people who don't live with smokers and work in a smoke free environment.
The test kit that indicates getting sick from the smell in the car is a bit
suspect, but the basic statistics on second hand smoke have been supported
by real testing.

Dan M.


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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Seeberger

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure



 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:07 PM
 Subject: Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure


 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: brinl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM
  Subject: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure
 
  [Snip bad science for commercial purposes]
 
  And Martha then vacuums her new carpet, uses household cleansers
and
  breaths the fumes, burns a candle for a good part of the evening,
and
  then drives to a Wal-Mart at the confluence of two interstates.
 
  Martha dies of lung cancer 50 years later at the age of 80 and is
duly
  listed as a tobacco related death.

 There is a pretty easy experiment test for this; use a control group
of
 people who don't live with smokers and work in a smoke free
environment.
 The test kit that indicates getting sick from the smell in the car
is a bit
 suspect, but the basic statistics on second hand smoke have been
supported
 by real testing.


Sure Dan, though I have doubts SHS is as bad a problem as it has been
presented, my point is directed at the irony of going after smoke when
we expose ourselves daily to chemicals that might be even worse.

I think it is a mistake to look for single causes when the potential
for synergistic effects should be evident.

Just what is in that underarm deodorant anyway?
And how much of it gets into your lymphatic system?

If you can smell it or taste it, or rub it on your body, its likely in
your bloodstream seconds later.

xponent
Genuine Questions Maru
rob


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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote:

 Just what is in that underarm deodorant anyway?

Mine?  Mostly a petroleum-based gel, as well as coriander oil, lichen
and aloe.  (I'd have to go upstairs and grab a stick to give the *full*
list, but that's a good chunk of it.  And nothing extra added for
fragrance.)

 And how much of it gets into your lymphatic system?

Dunno.  But I'm less concerned about using *my* deodorant than I would
be using a lot of the ones on the market.
 
Julia
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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
 Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [Snip bad science for commercial purposes]

I clearly stated that these kits will have to be
tested against medical laboratory standards to be
considered reasonable.  Frex while home pregnancy kits
are reasonably accurate after ~6-8 weeks, they are
*not* 99% as claimed on the first missed menses
cycle day (2-4 weeks).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=11719477dopt=Abstract

It is also abundantly clear that second-hand smoke is
detrimental to fetuses, infants, children and adults
with respiratory conditions such as asthma.  I
recently posted multiple good studies concluding that.

Tobacco is not benign for the user or household
contacts.

Debbi

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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote:
 
  Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  [Snip bad science for commercial purposes]
 
 I clearly stated that these kits will have to be
 tested against medical laboratory standards to be
 considered reasonable.  Frex while home pregnancy kits
 are reasonably accurate after ~6-8 weeks, they are
 *not* 99% as claimed on the first missed menses
 cycle day (2-4 weeks).

Huh.  I never had a problem with a false negative.  I'm wondering what
brands are best, and if I just picked the best brand.

On the other hand, with twins, hormone levels might have been higher
than they would otherwise have been; and on the first pregnancy, I took
it a few days after my period would have started.

Julia
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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
 Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deborah Harrell wrote:
snip 

  Frex while home pregnancy kits
  are reasonably accurate after ~6-8 weeks, they are
  *not* 99% as claimed on the first missed menses
  cycle day (2-4 weeks).
 
 Huh.  I never had a problem with a false negative. 
 I'm wondering what
 brands are best, and if I just picked the best
brand.
 
 On the other hand, with twins, hormone levels might
 have been higher
 than they would otherwise have been; and on the
 first pregnancy, I took
 it a few days after my period would have started.

Some brands are more accurate than others, and your
levels were a bit higher, with the tag-team... :)
And I'll bet you follow the proper directions besides!

Debbi
When All Else Fails, Read The Instructions Maru  :)

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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote:
 
  Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Deborah Harrell wrote:
 snip
 
   Frex while home pregnancy kits
   are reasonably accurate after ~6-8 weeks, they are
   *not* 99% as claimed on the first missed menses
   cycle day (2-4 weeks).
 
  Huh.  I never had a problem with a false negative.
  I'm wondering what
  brands are best, and if I just picked the best
 brand.
 
  On the other hand, with twins, hormone levels might
  have been higher
  than they would otherwise have been; and on the
  first pregnancy, I took
  it a few days after my period would have started.
 
 Some brands are more accurate than others, and your
 levels were a bit higher, with the tag-team... :)
 And I'll bet you follow the proper directions besides!
 
 Debbi
 When All Else Fails, Read The Instructions Maru  :)

Uh, yeah.  How hard can it be to pee on the correct part of the thing,
anyway?  :)

Julia
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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote:


Uh, yeah.  How hard can it be to pee on the correct part of the thing,
anyway?  :)
Depends on how far awy you stand.  8^)

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Doug
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Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:20:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Julia wrote:
  
  
   Uh, yeah.  How hard can it be to pee on the correct part of the thing,
   anyway?  :)
  
  
  Depends on how far awy you stand.  8^)
  

The introduction of the strategically placed Dixie cups to your game of naked 
Marathon Twister is a very evil thing to do.



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smoke

2002-10-29 Thread The Fool
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20021029-_1m29smoke.html

Scripps scientists link chemical in tobacco with onset of diseases  


By Bruce Lieberman  UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER  October 29, 2002  A
naturally present chemical in tobacco may contribute to the onset of
diabetes, cancer, aging and Alzheimer's, two scientists at The Scripps
Research Institute in La Jolla have found.  The chemical, called
nornicotine, cooks the body's proteins, triggering the same reaction
that turns burned sugar brown and causes food to spoil.  Nornicotine
permanently and irreversibly modifies proteins, which can affect their
overall function, said Scripps biological chemist Kim D. Janda.  Janda
and Scripps researcher Tobin J. Dickerson have published their study in
the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The paper appeared
online yesterday and will be in print later this year.  Nornicotine also
was found to react with prescription steroids, such as cortisone and
prednisone, potentially making them more toxic, Janda and Dickerson
found.  In their study, titled A previously undescribed chemical link
between smoking and metabolic disease, the scientists found that
nornicotine attaches itself permanently to steroids and certain amino
acids on the surface of proteins.  Amino acids are the chemical building
blocks of proteins. Proteins, encoded by DNA, form the key structural
elements in cells and are responsible for all the cell's activities. 
Once nornicotine modifies these steroids and proteins, the new molecules
interact with other chemicals in the body and create new compounds. Among
them are a variety of compounds known as advanced glycation endproducts,
which have been implicated in numerous diseases including diabetes,
cancer, atherosclerosis and Alzheimer's.  These advanced glycation
endproducts are not supposed to be (present in your body) naturally,
said Dickerson. Your body is not prepared for them.  Janda and
Dickerson, testing the blood of 20 smokers and nonsmokers, found that the
smokers had higher levels of proteins that had been modified by
nornicotine than nonsmokers. The smokers also had higher levels of the
advanced glycation endproducts.  Nornicotine, unlike nicotine, persists
in the bloodstream, suggesting that the chemical may contribute to
tobacco addiction, Janda and Dickerson said.  The chemical nornicotine is
present in all tobacco products, including cigarettes and chewing
tobacco, and in nicotine gum and patches.  It's been thought of as a
little bystander, Janda said, adding that he plans to study nornicotine
in nicotine gum and patches.  Their study was supported by the Skaggs
Institute for Chemical Biology at The Scripps Research Institute.   


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