Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-08 Thread Matt Grimaldi
> "John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > > I personally argue that all computer-based > > terminals should provide the voter with a > > print-out of the voter's selections. > > The paper print-outs would then also be > > collected, and used as a fail-safe in case > > of computer failure or in case of a recou

Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-08 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: > > I personally argue that all computer-based terminals > should provide the voter with a print-out of the > voter's selections.The paper print-outs > would then also be collected, and used as a > fail-safe in case of computer failure or in case > of a recount, or in case of

Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-08 Thread Julia Thompson
"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 09:51 PM 11/5/2002 -0500 Joe Hale wrote: > >Here in Georgia, the voting was completely automated. I'll admit I felt > >a little uneasy with no visible ballot. The touch screen voting > >machines installed over the last two years lack the advantage of > >transparen

RE: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-08 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:51 PM 11/5/2002 -0500 Joe Hale wrote: >Here in Georgia, the voting was completely automated. I'll admit I felt >a little uneasy with no visible ballot. The touch screen voting >machines installed over the last two years lack the advantage of >transparency. How do I know that in the thousan

Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-06 Thread Ray Ludenia
J. van Baardwijk wrote: > Even if you do everything manually, it is > still not entirely transparent; once you deposit your ballot in the box, it > is out of sight -- how can you be sure that someone on the counting team > will not give your vote to an other candidate, or let your ballot disappea

Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-06 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Jeroen wrote: > > Even if you do everything manually, it is > still not entirely transparent; once you deposit > your ballot in the box, it is out of sight -- how > can you be sure that someone on the counting team > will not give your vote to an other candidate, > or let your ballot disap

RE: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-06 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:51 05-11-2002 -0500, Joe Hale wrote: Here in Georgia, the voting was completely automated. I'll admit I felt a little uneasy with no visible ballot. The touch screen voting machines installed over the last two years lack the advantage of transparency. How do I know that in the thousands o

Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-06 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Joe Hale wrote: > > Here in Georgia, the voting was completely automated. > I'll admit I felt a little uneasy with no visible ballot. > The touch screen voting machines installed over the last > two years lack the advantage of > transparency. How do I know that in the thousands of > lines o

Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-06 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 18:07 05-11-2002 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > Fourth, all those piles of papers have to be stored somewhere. The > ballots from just one election take up quite a lot of valuable storage > space. Once the results are in and there's no challenge that they'd need the paper ballots for, they ca

RE: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-05 Thread Joe Hale
ailto:brin-l-bounces@;mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots "J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > > At 10:16 05-11-2002 -0800, John Giorgis wrote: > > >http://www.techcentralstat

Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:07:31PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > (I don't trust the programmers not to stick in something that they > > could be bribed to fix. I might trust specific programmers once I got > > to know them, but I figure there will be a couple of bad a

Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:07:31PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > (I don't trust the programmers not to stick in something that they > could be bribed to fix. I might trust specific programmers once I got > to know them, but I figure there will be a couple of bad apples in the > bunch and so I do

Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-05 Thread Julia Thompson
"J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > > At 10:16 05-11-2002 -0800, John Giorgis wrote: > > >http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/techwrapper.jsp?PID=1051-250&CID=1051-110502A > > A few comments. > > First, paper ballots are not as resistant to fraud and error as the author > wants his audience to belie

Re: In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 10:16 05-11-2002 -0800, John Giorgis wrote: http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/techwrapper.jsp?PID=1051-250&CID=1051-110502A A few comments. First, paper ballots are not as resistant to fraud and error as the author wants his audience to believe. People involved in counting the votes w

In Praise of Paper Ballots

2002-11-05 Thread J.D. Giorgis
http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/techwrapper.jsp?PID=1051-250&CID=1051-110502A = - John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "First... to clarify what we