Re: Cleaning flat screens, wuz Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-07 Thread Bryon Daly
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Ronn! Blankenship 
ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 At 03:14 PM Tuesday 1/6/2009, Euan Ritchie wrote:

   Lint-free cloth, NOT paper towels; spray one cloth with water or
   isopropyl alcohol,



 70% (rubbing alcohol) or 91% (sold for sterilizing needles, etc.)
 2-PrOH?  Or custom strength (more dilute??)?



 use that to clean, and follow with a dry cloth.
 
 For simple things like finger smudges and dust a clean micro-fibre cloth
 does well.



 That's what I've been using.  For worse I got a pack of wipes that
 are supposed to be for the purpose, but those are too expensive to
 keep using long-term.  ($5-something for a pack of 20, iirc.)



I once had to get pen ink marks off my LCD monitor:  A few years back my son
came and told me my daughter drew on the computer, so I went to
investigate, thinking she had written on my computer case.  Nope, had she
made a number of blue ballpoint pen ink marks on the screen of my 2
month-old $800 LCD monitor.   Doh!

Monitor wipes and alcohol couldn't remove the ink marks.   Fortunately, some
googling resulted in a solution:
- Make a thickish paste by adding some water to some baking soda.
- Use your finger to apply some of the paste to the marks and gently rub it
circularly over them.
- Use a damp cloth to clean off the residue.
- Repeat if necessary.

I was amazed by how well this worked - the pen marks went away and the
procedure didn't scratch up the screen or remove any of the monitor
coatings.
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Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Julia Thompson



On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:


At 10:45 PM Monday 1/5/2009, Julia Thompson wrote:



On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Rceeberger wrote:


http://www.physorg.com/news150388964.html

An apple and an anti-apple might not fall at the same rate.



xponent
But A Mac And An Anti-Apple 2E Do Maru
rob


Wow, it's almost 11PM, and I was almost despairing of encountering a good
reason not to have liquids at the computer today!  Congratulations, Rob!

Julia



I keep worrying about what a good spew would do
to this new flat-screen monitor:  I'm not sure
having a spray bottle of Windex™ and a roll of
paper towels by the screen is the best thing
anymore . . . or am I being unnecessarily paranoid?


I don't think Windex is the way to go with a flat-screen monitor.  I asked 
in May about that and got some good answers, I can go back and try to find 
those for you, if you'd like me to.


Julia
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Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Julia Thompson



On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:


I keep worrying about what a good spew would do
to this new flat-screen monitor:  I'm not sure
having a spray bottle of Windex™ and a roll of
paper towels by the screen is the best thing
anymore . . . or am I being unnecessarily paranoid?


Lint-free cloth, NOT paper towels; spray one cloth with water or isopropyl 
alcohol, use that to clean, and follow with a dry cloth.


No, you're not being paranoid; I was specifically told *not* to use paper 
towels when I asked.  (And it sounds like Windex isn't quite the thing, 
either.)


A dilute vinegar solution will also work.  Don't ever spray anything 
directly onto the screen of a flatscreen monitor.


And don't press or try to scrub, because you can damage pixels or scratch 
the surface of the monitor that way.  IME, there are a *lot* of things 
that will come clean with sufficient gentle rubbing with something damp, 
but you need to be patient with everything.


Julia
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Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Charlie Bell

On 07/01/2009, at 1:09 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
 I don't think Windex is the way to go with a flat-screen monitor.  I  
 asked in May about that and got some good answers, I can go back and  
 try to find those for you, if you'd like me to.

Soft damp (not dripping!) cloth. Microfibre ones work well. Wipe  
*GENTLY*. If something has splashed and dried on, hold the damp cloth  
over it, and gently wipe. Patience may be required. Try not to poke  
them.

C.
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Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Jan 6, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:

 I keep worrying about what a good spew would do
 to this new flat-screen monitor:  I'm not sure
 having a spray bottle of Windex™ and a roll of
 paper towels by the screen is the best thing
 anymore . . . or am I being unnecessarily paranoid?

 Lint-free cloth, NOT paper towels; spray one cloth with water or  
 isopropyl alcohol, use that to clean, and follow with a dry cloth.

 No, you're not being paranoid; I was specifically told *not* to use  
 paper towels when I asked.  (And it sounds like Windex isn't quite  
 the thing, either.)

 A dilute vinegar solution will also work.  Don't ever spray anything  
 directly onto the screen of a flatscreen monitor.

 And don't press or try to scrub, because you can damage pixels or  
 scratch the surface of the monitor that way.  IME, there are a *lot*  
 of things that will come clean with sufficient gentle rubbing with  
 something damp, but you need to be patient with everything.

Agreed on paper towels, they're abrasive enough to leave visible  
scratches even on a matte-finish display, and they will erode the anti- 
reflective coating on glossy displays.  (Learned that the hard way on  
a previous flat-face CRT monitor.)

And I think Windex chemically degrades the plastic of the overlay in  
some way, not sure what the visible effects are but consensus is that  
it's not good for that material at all.


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Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Euan Ritchie

 Lint-free cloth, NOT paper towels; spray one cloth with water or
 isopropyl alcohol, use that to clean, and follow with a dry cloth.

For simple things like finger smudges and dust a clean micro-fibre cloth
does well.
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Cleaning flat screens, wuz Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 03:14 PM Tuesday 1/6/2009, Euan Ritchie wrote:

  Lint-free cloth, NOT paper towels; spray one cloth with water or
  isopropyl alcohol,



70% (rubbing alcohol) or 91% (sold for sterilizing needles, etc.) 
2-PrOH?  Or custom strength (more dilute??)?



use that to clean, and follow with a dry cloth.

For simple things like finger smudges and dust a clean micro-fibre cloth
does well.



That's what I've been using.  For worse I got a pack of wipes that 
are supposed to be for the purpose, but those are too expensive to 
keep using long-term.  ($5-something for a pack of 20, iirc.)

Especially If I Keep Reading This List Maru


. . . ronn!  :)



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Cleaning flat screens, wuz Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:29 AM Tuesday 1/6/2009, Julia Thompson wrote:


On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

I keep worrying about what a good spew would do
to this new flat-screen monitor:  I'm not sure
having a spray bottle of Windex™ and a roll of
paper towels by the screen is the best thing
anymore . . . or am I being unnecessarily paranoid?

Lint-free cloth, NOT paper towels; spray one 
cloth with water or isopropyl alcohol, use that 
to clean, and follow with a dry cloth.

No, you're not being paranoid; I was 
specifically told *not* to use paper towels when 
I asked.  (And it sounds like Windex isn't quite the thing, either.)

A dilute vinegar solution will also work.  Don't 
ever spray anything directly onto the screen of a flatscreen monitor.

And don't press or try to scrub, because you can 
damage pixels or scratch the surface of the 
monitor that way.  IME, there are a *lot* of 
things that will come clean with sufficient 
gentle rubbing with something damp, but you need to be patient with everything.

 Julia



Thx!

When reading this list one must always be prepared for major spewage . . .

Guess I Could Just Drape A Plastic Bag Over It Maru


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: Cleaning flat screens, wuz Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Charlie Bell

On 07/01/2009, at 10:25 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
 When reading this list one must always be prepared for major  
 spewage . . .

 Guess I Could Just Drape A Plastic Bag Over It Maru

Get a 30 screen, it'll be far enough from you that you're unlikely to  
hit it.

Charlie.

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Re: Cleaning flat screens, wuz Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Julia Thompson


On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 Thx!

 When reading this list one must always be prepared for major spewage . . .

 Guess I Could Just Drape A Plastic Bag Over It Maru

Dude.

Just don't drink anything at the computer.

That's what I've been doing for years.  Between this list and a certain 
other one, I probably would have fried 3 monitors by now if I hadn't set 
that policy.

Julia

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Re: Cleaning flat screens, wuz Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Julia Thompson


On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

 At 03:14 PM Tuesday 1/6/2009, Euan Ritchie wrote:

 Lint-free cloth, NOT paper towels; spray one cloth with water or
 isopropyl alcohol,



 70% (rubbing alcohol) or 91% (sold for sterilizing needles, etc.)
 2-PrOH?  Or custom strength (more dilute??)?

More dilute.

 use that to clean, and follow with a dry cloth.

 For simple things like finger smudges and dust a clean micro-fibre cloth
 does well.



 That's what I've been using.  For worse I got a pack of wipes that
 are supposed to be for the purpose, but those are too expensive to
 keep using long-term.  ($5-something for a pack of 20, iirc.)

 Especially If I Keep Reading This List Maru

Get a couple of washable micro-fiber cloths.  Wash very carefully, I'd do 
it by hand and hang dry, just to not pick up lint from anything else.

Julia

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Re: Cleaning flat screens, wuz Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-06 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:00 PM Tuesday 1/6/2009, Julia Thompson wrote:


On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

  At 03:14 PM Tuesday 1/6/2009, Euan Ritchie wrote:
 
  Lint-free cloth, NOT paper towels; spray one cloth with water or
  isopropyl alcohol,
 
 
 
  70% (rubbing alcohol) or 91% (sold for sterilizing needles, etc.)
  2-PrOH?  Or custom strength (more dilute??)?

More dilute.



I see I forgot to include Specify.__

:P



  use that to clean, and follow with a dry cloth.
 
  For simple things like finger smudges and dust a clean micro-fibre cloth
  does well.
 
 
 
  That's what I've been using.  For worse I got a pack of wipes that
  are supposed to be for the purpose, but those are too expensive to
  keep using long-term.  ($5-something for a pack of 20, iirc.)
 
  Especially If I Keep Reading This List Maru

Get a couple of washable micro-fiber cloths.  Wash very carefully, I'd do
it by hand and hang dry,



That may work in a couple of days.  If you've already gotten what 
we've been getting today, you'd know why.


. . . ronn!  :)



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Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-05 Thread Rceeberger
http://www.physorg.com/news150388964.html

An apple and an anti-apple might not fall at the same rate.



xponent
But A Mac And An Anti-Apple 2E Do Maru
rob
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Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-05 Thread Julia Thompson


On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Rceeberger wrote:

 http://www.physorg.com/news150388964.html

 An apple and an anti-apple might not fall at the same rate.



 xponent
 But A Mac And An Anti-Apple 2E Do Maru
 rob

Wow, it's almost 11PM, and I was almost despairing of encountering a good 
reason not to have liquids at the computer today!  Congratulations, Rob!

Julia

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Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:45 PM Monday 1/5/2009, Julia Thompson wrote:


On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Rceeberger wrote:

  http://www.physorg.com/news150388964.html
 
  An apple and an anti-apple might not fall at the same rate.
 
 
 
  xponent
  But A Mac And An Anti-Apple 2E Do Maru
  rob

Wow, it's almost 11PM, and I was almost despairing of encountering a good
reason not to have liquids at the computer today!  Congratulations, Rob!

 Julia


Humor aside, wasn't the idea that a particle and its corresponding 
anti-particle might fall at different rates under the influence of 
gravity put forward and supposedly tested and rejected back in the 
80s?  I read the article and didn't see how this was different from 
what was suggested then (though the details are lacking) . . .


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: Physicists offer foundation for uprooting a hallowed principle of physics

2009-01-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:45 PM Monday 1/5/2009, Julia Thompson wrote:


On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Rceeberger wrote:

  http://www.physorg.com/news150388964.html
 
  An apple and an anti-apple might not fall at the same rate.
 
 
 
  xponent
  But A Mac And An Anti-Apple 2E Do Maru
  rob

Wow, it's almost 11PM, and I was almost despairing of encountering a good
reason not to have liquids at the computer today!  Congratulations, Rob!

 Julia


I keep worrying about what a good spew would do 
to this new flat-screen monitor:  I'm not sure 
having a spray bottle of Windex™ and a roll of 
paper towels by the screen is the best thing 
anymore . . . or am I being unnecessarily paranoid?


. . . ronn!  :)



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