Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
On 7/3/05, Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That the best actor in the movie would be about 9? War of the Worlds Correction - worthy of a best supporting actress nomination Dakota Fanning is 11. -- Gary Denton http://www.apollocon.org June 23-25, 2006 Easter Lemming Blogs http://elemming.blogspot.com http://elemming2.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
SPoilers - . . . . . Now that I have seen the movie I looked at this thread. . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . While there was speculation that the machines were buried hundreds or even millions of years ago it is uninformed speculation in the movie. For a number of reasons I doubt this. After the movie a group of us was thinking that the machines were likely built by nanomachines and that could have been as recently as a few hours. The book version had the Martians fired from large cannon on Mars. The Pal movie version I believe had rockets from Mars. In that movie version the shapes of the machines was just a much larger form of the eye apparatus at the end of the metal tentacle that searches the house. There were several homages in the film. I always thought that the Pal alien war machines were powered by anti-gravity and were not tripods but someone else in the group said the lights under the craft gave the impression of three legs. Who knew --- That a large EMP would knock out all electrical equipment except for video cameras? That lightning type discharges could be used as transporter devices? That creatures far in advance of us that can launch a massive worldwide invasion utterly defeating our military and are evidently using human and mammalian blood for unknown evil purposes and can even start establishing an alien ecosystem in a matter of days would give no thought to Earth microorganisms? That the best actor in the movie would be about 9? I dislike Tom Cruise but his character was not likeable particularly in the beginning of the movie so that was OK. On 7/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spoilers...you get the idea... -- Gary Denton http://www.apollocon.org June 24-26 Easter Lemming Blogs http://elemming.blogspot.com http://elemming2.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
William T Goodall wrote: On 1 Jul 2005, at 12:01 pm, Max Battcher wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/30/2005 9:31:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3jane.net) writes: Ok, I could buy that, but why didn't they just stay the first time instead of burying ships and leaving? That, I could not tell you. :) Julia Because... I believe it is in the book. Its been awhile since I've read it, but I think the same concerns existed about the book. It's been a while since I read it too (although more recently than its 1898 publication!) and as I recall the Martians arrive for the first time, all at once, in huge artillery shell type things and proceed to invade straight away. And then all die from catching a sniffle. Yep, I have such a poor memory. It's funny, but I did a failed project involving War of the Worlds, so you would think it would be one of the stickier works in my mind. -- --Max Battcher-- http://www.worldmaker.net/ Support Open/Free Mythoi: Read the manifesto @ mythoi.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
Spoilers...you get the idea... In a message dated 7/1/05 12:15:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The virus or bacteria mutated between the time the ships were buried and now? That seems very plausible to me, anyway. Julia Ok, I could buy that, but why didn't they just stay the first time instead of burying ships and leaving? Union rules? :-) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
In a message dated 6/30/2005 9:31:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Ok, I could buy that, but why didn't they just stay the first time instead of burying ships and leaving? That, I could not tell you. :) Julia Bury ships first. Throw rocks at dinosaurs second? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/30/2005 9:31:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Ok, I could buy that, but why didn't they just stay the first time instead of burying ships and leaving? That, I could not tell you. :) Julia Because... I believe it is in the book. Its been awhile since I've read it, but I think the same concerns existed about the book. -- --Max Battcher-- http://www.worldmaker.net/ Support Open/Free Mythoi: Read the manifesto @ mythoi.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
On 1 Jul 2005, at 12:01 pm, Max Battcher wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/30/2005 9:31:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3jane.net) writes: Ok, I could buy that, but why didn't they just stay the first time instead of burying ships and leaving? That, I could not tell you. :) Julia Because... I believe it is in the book. Its been awhile since I've read it, but I think the same concerns existed about the book. It's been a while since I read it too (although more recently than its 1898 publication!) and as I recall the Martians arrive for the first time, all at once, in huge artillery shell type things and proceed to invade straight away. And then all die from catching a sniffle. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who study history are doomed to repeat it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
Ok, I could buy that, but why didn't they just stay the first time instead of burying ships and leaving? Maybe they were prepositioning equipment in the same way the US has prepositioned equipment in places like Diego Garcia. It's all about the contingency plans; we don't know what sort of operations are going on in other theaters, etc. or the political, economic, or environmental situation on Mars (though we could make some good guesses...)... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Esci's BMP-1 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 6/24/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
On Jul 1, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: Ok, I could buy that, but why didn't they just stay the first time instead of burying ships and leaving? Maybe they were prepositioning equipment in the same way the US has prepositioned equipment in places like Diego Garcia. It's all about the contingency plans; we don't know what sort of operations are going on in other theaters, etc. or the political, economic, or environmental situation on Mars (though we could make some good guesses...)... Sleeper cells? Put the equipment in place against the day when they *might* need it, and then activate it when it's necessary...? As for bacteria -- a new virulent mutation that they *didnt* have a problem with then might well have emerged over the centuries. As to why no one found them ... that's a puzzler. BTW, the Wells version had Martians launching their capsules like artillery, yes -- IIRC flashes were seen on Mars some time (weeks? months?) before the first arrivals started hitting Earth. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
On Jul 1, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jul 1, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: Ok, I could buy that, but why didn't they just stay the first time instead of burying ships and leaving? Maybe they were prepositioning equipment in the same way the US has prepositioned equipment in places like Diego Garcia. It's all about the contingency plans; we don't know what sort of operations are going on in other theaters, etc. or the political, economic, or environmental situation on Mars (though we could make some good guesses...)... Sleeper cells? OFFTOPIC This reminded me of a fake news item I saw the other day: a leak of a Bush administration memo approving the torture of enemy combatant fetuses because they might contain terrorist cells. /OFFTOPIC Put the equipment in place against the day when they *might* need it, and then activate it when it's necessary...? As for bacteria -- a new virulent mutation that they *didnt* have a problem with then might well have emerged over the centuries. Perhaps our failure to complete our full rounds of antibiotics ends up saving our lives, providing an ironic twist to what Wells intended as an ironic twist. As to why no one found them ... that's a puzzler. BTW, the Wells version had Martians launching their capsules like artillery, yes -- IIRC flashes were seen on Mars some time (weeks? months?) before the first arrivals started hitting Earth. Yes: During the opposition of 1894 a great light was seen on the illuminated part of the disk, first at the Lick Observatory, then by Perrotin of Nice, and then by other observers. English readers heard of it first in the issue of Nature dated August 2. I am inclined to think that this blaze may have been the casting of the huge gun, in the vast pit sunk into their planet, from which their shots were fired at us. Peculiar markings, as yet unexplained, were seen near the site of that outbreak during the next two oppositions. (BTW: Lick Observatory is about 20 driving miles from here, probably more like 10 miles as the crow flies.) The storm burst upon us six years ago now. As Mars approached opposition, Lavelle of Java set the wires of the astronomical exchange palpitating with the amazing intelligence of a huge outbreak of incandescent gas upon the planet. It had occurred towards midnight of the twelfth; and the spectroscope, to which he had at once resorted, indicated a mass of flaming gas, chiefly hydrogen, moving with an enormous velocity towards this earth. This jet of fire had become invisible about a quarter past twelve. He compared it to a colossal puff of flame suddenly and violently squirted out of the planet, as flaming gases rushed out of a gun. (Source: http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/warworlds/warw.html) Does anyone remember the 1976 album Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of The War of the Worlds? I spent more than a few of my lonely teenage hours wearing that damned thing out. To the best of my recollection, they hewed rather close to the Wells (and not the Welles) version. It's available on Amazon, of course, with samples! (I'd forgotton how disco-influenced the opening piece, Eve of War was.) Here's how Wayne's version put it (huge swaths of the album were narrated and acted, with songs between): At midnight, on the 12th of August, a huge mass of luminous gas erupted from Mars and sped towards Earth. Across two hundred million miles of void, invisibly hurtling towards us, came the first of the missiles that were to bring so much calamity to Earth. As I watched, there was another jet of gas. It was another missile, starting on its way. And that's how it was for the next ten nights. A flare, spurting out from Mars. Bright green, drawing a green mist behind it; a beautiful, but somehow disturbing sight. Ogilby, the astronomer, assured me we were in no danger. He was convinced there could be no living thing on that remote, forbidding planet. Dave Ulla! Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
WARNING !!! MAJOR spoilers below S P O I L E R S P A C E I saw War of the Worlds tonight, and I really liked it except for a few major plot holes and inconsistencies. I don't usually pick apart plot holes, but these are bugging me 1. If the tripods were all buried hundreds of years ago, why didn't someone accidentally find at least one? 2. If the aliens were here hundreds of years ago, why didn't they take over the planet then, when there would have been no resistance? 3. Why didn't the aliens become infected with a virus (or bacteria) the first time they were here to bury the ships? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Gary Nunn wrote: WARNING !!! MAJOR spoilers below S P O I L E R S P A C E I saw War of the Worlds tonight, and I really liked it except for a few major plot holes and inconsistencies. I don't usually pick apart plot holes, but these are bugging me 3. Why didn't the aliens become infected with a virus (or bacteria) the first time they were here to bury the ships? The virus or bacteria mutated between the time the ships were buried and now? That seems very plausible to me, anyway. Julia whose last trip to the theater was to see The Incredibles at full price (and worth every penny, too!) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:08 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Gary Nunn wrote: WARNING !!! MAJOR spoilers below S P O I L E R S P A C E I saw War of the Worlds tonight, and I really liked it except for a few major plot holes and inconsistencies. I don't usually pick apart plot holes, but these are bugging me 3. Why didn't the aliens become infected with a virus (or bacteria) the first time they were here to bury the ships? The virus or bacteria mutated between the time the ships were buried and now? That seems very plausible to me, anyway. Julia Ok, I could buy that, but why didn't they just stay the first time instead of burying ships and leaving? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Gary Nunn wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:08 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Gary Nunn wrote: WARNING !!! MAJOR spoilers below S P O I L E R S P A C E I saw War of the Worlds tonight, and I really liked it except for a few major plot holes and inconsistencies. I don't usually pick apart plot holes, but these are bugging me 3. Why didn't the aliens become infected with a virus (or bacteria) the first time they were here to bury the ships? The virus or bacteria mutated between the time the ships were buried and now? That seems very plausible to me, anyway. Julia Ok, I could buy that, but why didn't they just stay the first time instead of burying ships and leaving? That, I could not tell you. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plot Holes: War of the worlds - SPOILERS
Gary Nunn wrote: WARNING !!! MAJOR spoilers below S P O I L E R S P A C E I saw War of the Worlds tonight, and I really liked it except for a few major plot holes and inconsistencies. 2. If the aliens were here hundreds of years ago, why didn't they take over the planet then, when there would have been no resistance? 3. Why didn't the aliens become infected with a virus (or bacteria) the first time they were here to bury the ships? Not having seen it, maybe I shouldn't comment, but couldn't the ones burying the ships have died from bacteria? Could the advance party have been an invasion force first wave that came to set the equipment in place, but when they succumbed to the bacteria, the military chiefs on Mars were waiting for a signal which never came, and so it took all this time to mount a new attack? Cheers Russell C. --- This email (including any attachments) is confidential and copyright. The School makes no warranty about the content of this email. Unless expressly stated, this email does not bind the School and does not necessarily constitute the opinion of the School. If you have received this email in error, please delete it and notify the sender. --- GWAVAsig ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
