Re: Brin: The Future of the World Re: brin: war

2002-10-24 Thread Doug
Ray Ludenia wrote: Last poll* I heard here in Aus had 53% against and 39% for. Surprisingly little change in numbers after the Bali massacre. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/06/opinion/polls/main524496.shtml CBS News poll: More people now than just two weeks ago favor giving the

Re: The future of the world

2002-10-24 Thread
Traditionally, the intra-national and international domains have been very neatly separated. The former gives rise to sovereign states which have the monopoly of power, and there is some kind of consensus that, everything else remaining equal, democracy and rule of law inside a country (nation

Re: What's Wrong Here? Re: The Future of the World Re: br*n: war

2002-10-24 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:46 23-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: You mean it is completely amazing to hope that Democracy and Free Markets might triumph over Totalitarianism, Autoritarianism, Repression, and Fanatacism?? This is an opinion that I am to be ridiculed for? What's going on here? You

Re: What's Wrong Here? Re: The Future of the World Re: br*n: war

2002-10-24 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Jeroen wrote: What's going on here? You misinterpreting what DB was saying -- that is what is going on here. I must confess that somehow I am also misinterpreting His ideas about Iraq. I would formulate a question, but I was stopped by a holyday exausting trip, His recent absence, and my

Re: Brin: The Future of the World Re: brin: war

2002-10-23 Thread Ray Ludenia
Kevin Street wrote: John D. Giorgis reponded: ALL those allies?The UK, Australia, Spain, and Italy are all behind the US attack on Iraq - and those are just the ones that I have heard of. This is just my opinion, but I suspect that the majority of the people in those countries don't

What's Wrong Here? Re: The Future of the World Re: brin: war

2002-10-23 Thread John D. Giorgis
O.k. folks, what is going on here? In the past few days, we have heard Dr. Brin argue: 1) The no-brainer solution to Iraq, is to divide up Iraq and Iraq's oil resources between the non-Arab Kurds and the non-Sunni Shiites, without any regard for how this might inflame the Sunni-Arab street. 2)

RE: Brin: The Future of the World Re: brin: war

2002-10-23 Thread Kevin Street
J. van Baardwijk wrote: Through cooperation with other freedom-loving democratic countries, or by unilaterally deciding to ignore all those potential allies, storming into country after country with all guns blazing, and alienating all those other freedom-loving countries from you in the process?

Re: Brin: The Future of the World Re: brin: war

2002-10-22 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:48 PM 10/22/2002 +0200 J. van Baardwijk wrote: Through cooperation with other freedom-loving democratic countries, or by unilaterally deciding to ignore all those potential allies, storming into country after country with all guns blazing, and alienating all those other freedom-loving

Re: The Future of the World

2002-10-22 Thread John D. Giorgis
Ooops let me try that again. Please reply to this message. JDG At 08:21 PM 10/22/2002 -0400 John D. Giorgis wrote: At 11:48 PM 10/22/2002 +0200 J. van Baardwijk wrote: Through cooperation with other freedom-loving democratic countries, or by unilaterally deciding to ignore all those

Brin: The Future of the World Re: brin: war

2002-10-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:55 PM 10/20/2002 -0700 d.brin wrote: Again I ask, do you envision Planet Earth still being divided into completely separate sovereign nations with capricious right-of-war and subject to no overall legal authority, say, 1,000 years from now? When you squint at our future, sending starships

Re: Brin: The Future of the World Re: brin: war

2002-10-21 Thread d.brin
This below is truly amazing, John. You cling to the notion of a future situation as absolutely similar to our present situation as you can possibly craft. You want the future to be 2002 but a little nicer, a little more americanized. You need, desperately need to recognize how your own