On 20/10/2010, at 8:45 AM, Dave Land wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:18 AM, anar...@gmail.com wrote:
There's also people like me who figure I'll not see much, if anything out of
them but don't grouse too much about paying for those already in their
golden years.
For many years, this is
On 20/10/2010, at 8:48 AM, John Williams wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Pat Mathews mathew...@msn.com wrote:
Okay. Have it your way. We/they didn't save enough and consume health care
with reckless abandon. May you never be in the workplace where the clerk,
knowing that one must
Sorry, Charlie, it seems the new angry crowd out there either think that roads
and sewage systems just appear or that we pay too much for them. We can all go
back to dirt roads and septic systems, you know:-)
chris Frandsen
On Oct 20, 2010, at 7:09, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:36 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote:
they give the average starting salary for an EE in the US as 59,646, but
in
the SF area it is about 74,700. So, that is about a 25% premium.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote:
Whereas in much of Europe, it's just tax you pay knowing there's a health
system and social security that is functional if, god forbid, you actually
need it. Like you pay for roads, schools etc.
I am not very
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote:
And *WHOOSH* did you miss Pat's point.
Point being, people who come to work ill 'cause they can't afford to take a
day off 'cause they don't get sick leave and have to pay for the quack, so
they turn up to work
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Chris Frandsen lear...@mac.com wrote:
Sorry, Charlie, it seems the new angry crowd out there either think that
roads and sewage systems just appear or that we pay too much for them. We
can all go back to dirt roads and septic systems, you know:-)
Was this
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
I could tell the horror story of our efforts at loan modification, but I'll
just say that it is one of the stories submitted to the Justice Department
by the House California Caucus.
If by loan modification, you mean
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:49 AM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com
wrote:
I could tell the horror story of our efforts at loan modification, but
I'll
just say that it is one of the stories submitted to the
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
The average taxpayer elected officials who deregulated the financial
industry so much that it became impossible for the average taxpayer to be
able to know the actual value of a house. We got the government we deserved
The average taxpayer elected officials who deregulated the financial
industry so much that it became impossible
for the average taxpayer to be able to know the actual value of a house.
We got the government we deserved
and the price of it. None of which really has anything to do directly with
On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
When I talked about this last year with the Google people, they
said that
they still believed that you got more dollars for your money hiring
engineers in Mountain View than in Durham or Austin.
They could be wrong, but I wouldn't lay long
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:49 AM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com
wrote:
The average taxpayer elected officials who deregulated the financial
industry so much that it became impossible for the average taxpayer to
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't say it was someone else's fault. I'm a taxpayer, too. I am also
responsible for the bad policies.
So, if it is not someone else's fault, why do you think someone else
should pay for money that you borrowed? It
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote:
In hindsight, the housing bubble is obvious. Heck, at the time, I knew
there was a housing bubble, and if you look at Brin-l archives, you will
see
that I wrote it.
It was clear that values were high. That was always
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:34 AM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
But regardless, it is a simple concept. Honor, honesty, integrity,
whatever you want to call it. If a person agrees to something
voluntarily, then they should keep their word.
I'm pretty sure you voluntarily agreed
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
Is that true for people who borrow from loan sharks? Does the lender's
behavior matter not?
An honorable person would not borrow from anyone, loan shark or
otherwise, and then attempt to renege on the pay back
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
It was not an easy decision to seek a loan modification. But the
ethics of it are not as black-and-white as you say.
It absolutely is that simple. A honest, responsible person does not make
an agreement and then refuse
Could we get this troll--Mr. Williams--out of here please?
Foreclosures are currently running at 3 times their normal rates not because
there has been an outbreak of cheating and dishonesty on the part of
America's borrowers, but because the unemployment rate is not its normal 5%
but is instead
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Brad DeLong brad.del...@gmail.com wrote:
Could we get this troll--Mr. Williams--out of here please?
What gave you the idea that this email list is like your blog, where
you can censor anyone who does not agree with you, Brad?
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:45 AM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
Only if you consider honesty and keeping your word to be ridiculous. An
honorable person would not agree to borrow money from anyone, even a
loan shark, if they thought that there was any possibility that they
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Brad DeLong brad.del...@gmail.com wrote:
Could we get this troll--Mr. Williams--out of here please?
Foreclosures are currently running at 3 times their normal rates not
because there has been an outbreak of cheating and dishonesty on the part of
America's
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:01 AM, John Williams
jwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
It was not an easy decision to seek a loan modification. But the
ethics of it are not as black-and-white as you say.
It absolutely is
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hard to know if the quiet was due to trolling or some externality.
It looks to me like this email list is usually quiet because the vast
majority of the members have self-selected so that they have many of
the same
Hard to know if the quiet was due to trolling or some externality.
It looks to me like this email list is usually quiet because the vast
majority of the members have self-selected so that they have many of
the same opinions. You do not get many interesting discussions that go
X is good. I
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote:
I think that is only part of it. I think that the general trend away from
email lists to twitter is a strong factor. For example, the Culture list is
a lot quieter than it was 6 years ago, even though the mix of folks
Nick Arnett nick.arnett at gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:52 AM, John Williams jwilliams4200 at
gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arnett at gmail.com
wrote:
Hard to know if the quiet was due to trolling or some externality.
It looks to
On 21/10/2010, at 5:44 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Brad DeLong brad.del...@gmail.com wrote:
Could we get this troll--Mr. Williams--out of here please?
Foreclosures are currently running at 3 times their normal rates not because
there has been an outbreak
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote:
You can leave the troll. It's taken only a few posts for me to realise that
John has zero interest in engaging with any point, just repeating his own
point over and over, and then using _ad hominem_ like he's doing
John;
My bad. You were right, just a random misplaced thought. Back to lurking.
learner
On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:43 AM, John Williams wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Chris Frandsen lear...@mac.com wrote:
Sorry, Charlie, it seems the new angry crowd out there either think that
roads and
My bad. You were right, just a random misplaced thought. Back to lurking.
Sorry, Charlie, it seems the new angry crowd out there either think that
roads and sewage systems just appear or that we pay too much for them. We
can all go back to dirt roads and septic systems, you know:-)
Was
John Williams wrote:
...
Please explain why nobody but borrowers should have responsibility for a
market failure, which seems to be what you are implying.
No, you seem to be assuming that borrowers were losers, and the only
losers, in the housing bubble.
But regardless, it is a simple
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