Troll on the list needs to learn manners...
1. Re: Politeness (=?utf-8?b?V2FycmVuIEFkYW1zLU9ja3Jhc3Nh?=) 2. Politeness (Jon Louis Mann) 3. RE: Politeness (Dan Minette) 4. Re: Politeness (John Williams) 5. Re: Politeness (John Williams) 6. Re: Politeness (John Williams) 7. Re: Politeness (Nick Arnett) 8. Re: Politeness (=?utf-8?b?V2FycmVuIEFkYW1zLU9ja3Jhc3Nh?=) From: war...@nightwares.com Having been watching from the sidelines, it's amazing how easy it is for me to decide whose voice is respectable and mature, and whose is childish and petulant, in this discussion. From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com ? It's not like he's some genius who doesn't suffer fools; that I would respect. It is not like you are a successful politician. Why would anyone care about having your respect? I actually think this is a statement made in good faith. IMHO, you would grow if you were able to understand the answer to that question. While self respect is critical, and one shouldn't put up a false front to get respect, earning the respect of those who have achieved less than you can be very beneficial.? The reason why will be left as an exercise for the student. :-) Dan M. I actually think I'm not so sure about that. (John Williams) Allow me to retort to John William's rude retorts (if that really is his name). He assumes that I am not a successful politician because I have not won an election. In his ignorance and lack of understanding of how politics work, is the fact that I refuse to sell out. It would defeat the purpose of why I run for office. I don't just talk, I do the walk. I have succeeded in setting the agenda for a number of issues using some of the strategies in Earth. In the last election there were 15 candidates for 4 positions on the council. The incumbents and those who make promises to gain the support of special interests always win. The 4 behind who also had special interests but not the local machine, spent at least $50,000. I came in a few hundred votes behind them and ahead of all the remaining candidates. Not bad, when my only endorsement was the Green party... I'm Jonathan Mann and I approve this message!~) From: Dan Minette danmine...@att.net I would like to clarify one thing that I said and to comment on something Jonathan Mann said. While self respect is critical, and one shouldn't put up a false front to get respect, earning the respect of those who have achieved less than you can be very beneficial. While I didn't want to complicate my reply at the time, I do want to take this opportunity to say that in no way was I referring to how much Jon achieved or hasn't achieved. I was referring to John Williams attitude. The only reason I would want to judge Jon's success would be if it were germain to the discussion (e.g. I'd be more inclined to believe on of the Manning brothers when they talk football than a guy who plays touch football once a year. ...is the fact that I refuse to sell out. It would defeat the purpose of why I run for office. I don't just talk, I do the walk. This raises an interesting question. Lincoln did things like appoint incompetent generals knowingly, because they were supported by a political faction he needed to keep the Union going. Is doing things like arresting the Maryland legislature on the way to vote for secession to keep the Union together wrong? In other words, if one holds onto principals without compromise, one rarely changes how things are. Those folks who we look back at and see as being vital to the US did make those compromises. I don't think that was selling out, it was having a sense of balance and priorities. Dan M. From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com While I didn't want to complicate my reply at the time, I do want to take this opportunity to say that in no way was I referring to how much Jon achieved or hasn't achieved. Hilarious! Having been watching from the sidelines, it's amazing how easy it is for me to decide whose voice is respectable and mature, and whose is childish and petulant, in this discussion. If only it were also easy for you to post something of value, instead of your opinion which is worthless. From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com Jon Louis Mann net_democr...@yahoo.com wrote: He assumes that I am not a successful politician because I have not won an election. Actually, no, that is not why I assume you are not successful. From: Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com I read this as a personal attack, which is not permitted in this group. Nick oh, you're so precious when you squinch up your wittwe itty-bitty face and make your wittwe itty-bitty fists! I could num you right up! I could just eat you all up from your cute wittwe toes to your cute wittwe nose! Yes I could! Yes I could! Num num num num! But you're being a naughty-naughty, trying
Re: Troll on the list needs to learn manners...
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Jon Louis Mann net_democr...@yahoo.comwrote: ... My goals include getting the SMO airport closed, getting free WiFi with a link to a Virtual Town Hall on the city website, etc. I have made substantial progress in that direction. Sometimes the best way to win is to lose. That is what Japan did... Close SMO?! We don't need any more small airports closing - we've lost thousands already and no new ones are opening. What's up with that? I've flown in and out of SMO many times... Nick ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Troll on the list needs to learn manners...
My question for the list is: if John comes across as a troll, why are people responding to him? By doing so, you give him exactly what he wants. By getting a rise out of others, he makes you dance to his tune. If you really think he has nothing worthwhile to add to the conversation, don't reply to his goads! Damon. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Troll on the list needs to learn manners...
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:12:03 -0500, Damon Agretto damon.agre...@gmail.com wrote: My question for the list is: if John comes across as a troll, why are people responding to him? By doing so, you give him exactly what he wants. By getting a rise out of others, he makes you dance to his tune. If you really think he has nothing worthwhile to add to the conversation, don't reply to his goads! ..he says, even though it's an indirect means of poking the troll. ;) -- Warren ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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It is not like you are a successful politician. Why would anyone care about having your respect? I actually think this is a statement made in good faith. IMHO, you would grow if you were able to understand the answer to that question. While self respect is critical, and one shouldn't put up a false front to get respect, earning the respect of those who have achieved less than you can be very beneficial. The reason why will be left as an exercise for the student. :-) Dan M. What I meant was I would respect JW's comments if he was a genius and didn't suffer fools, but the reverse is the case. If he knew what he was talking about and could address the point, rather than resorting to personal attack I would respect his opinion, instead of the opposite. I don't run for office seeking respect. I'm seeking change and to have a voice an issues I want on the agenda. Self respect isn't critical, nor is putting up a false front. I wonder how this troll heard about this list and why he joined??? Jon JW, you really need to crawl out of your Mommy's basement and find something more rewarding to do that trying to lower others to your level of puerile provocation and personal attack. By posting Actually, no, that is not why I assume you are not successful you're clearly evading responding to my questioning your comment why you assume I am not successful by phishing to get me to respond to your sarcasm, so you can deliver another cheap shot. That is exactly what trolls do when they can't refute an argument or retort. If you're not mature enough to participate in a rational dialog you should say nothing, or leave. Why are you on this site, anyway. you don't seem like a fan of David Brin? As for making compromises to get elected it wouldn't make a difference in this case. That is what Obama does, and he is much better than the alternative. In this case, no one would believe I would change my spots, plus they would not support me anyway because they already have too many candidates who would sell out for real. There is no way I will EVER agree to revolving door conflict of interest cronyism, backscratching patronage, politics! My goals include getting the SMO airport closed, getting free WiFi with a link to a Virtual Town Hall on the city website, etc. I have made substantial progress in that direction. Sometimes the best way to win is to lose. That is what Japan did... Jon Mann Close SMO?! We don't need any more small airports closing - we've lost thousands already and no new ones are opening. What's up with that? I've flown in and out of SMO many times... Nick Here is something you may want to look into, Nick: http://www.casmat.org/2011/09/summary-of-accidents-at-smo.html and that doesn't include all the near misses... The area around SMO has become heavily populated since it was first built and the purpose has changed. There are several schools which are constantly idling their engines while queuing up for take offs, circling, landing and taking off again. There is constant noise pollution and toxic fumes, especially if you happen to live on the flight path. Some of this could be addressed and resolved; by closing the flight schools, changing the fuel, limiting idling, etc. The FAA wants to extend the runway for larger jets and that may turn out to be a bargaining chip to keep the airport open when the lease expires in 2015. When I first started talking about closing SMO ten years ago, no one took me seriously. The present council has been a pushover for the FAA, but that has changed now that they see how other small airports have been closed down to allow rapid development. As it is now, the city is in the red on SMO and the pier, but they both create well paid jobs for cronies. This airport doesn't really serve people who live here, but it provides a great alternative to wealthy residents(like Arnold Schwarzenegger) of nearby communities (Brentwood, Beverly Hills, Belair, Pacific Palisades, etc.) who don't want to deal with LAX. Rather than turning that property over to developers, I advocated linking it up to nearby Clover Park. My question for the list is: if John comes across as a troll, why are people responding to him? By doing so, you give him exactly what he wants. By getting a rise out of others, he makes you dance to his tune. If you really think he has nothing worthwhile to add to the conversation, don't reply to his goads! Damon. Excellent point, Damon, and I did that for a long time... ...he says, even though it's an indirect means of poking the troll. -- Warren ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Manners (was Re: Religious freedom)
On Sep 6, 2006, at 7:47 PM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice that this topic has attracted some interest and that people are giving some thought to the sickening poisonous evil filth of religion and the ghastly damage it causes individuals and society. However a number of people (you know who you are and I won't embarrass you by quoting you) have veered from the polite and civilised example I set when discussing this pernicious vileness and written some things that are simply gratuitously insulting or ad hominem attacks. Wow. I do have to admire your chutzpah.. I think this is my favorite one-line Brin-L Message of 2006. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Manners (was Re: Religious freedom)
On 7 Sep 2006, at 3:47AM, jdiebremse wrote: Wow. I do have to admire your chutzpah.. That's cute from the guy whose favourite topic reduces to accusing everyone who uses contraception of being a mass-murderer. Goose Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run out of things they can do with UNIX. - Ken Olsen, President of DEC, 1984. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Manners (was Re: Religious freedom)
On 9/3/06, Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2006 at 0:41, William T Goodall wrote: It's nice that this topic has attracted some interest and that people are giving some thought to the sickening poisonous evil filth of religion and the ghastly damage it causes individuals and society. No, people are calling you a atheist zealot. There's a difference. However a number of people (you know who you are and I won't embarrass you by quoting you) have veered from the polite and civilised example I set when discussing this pernicious vileness and What, bigotry, intollerance, anti-sematism and police-state mentality? Yes, you givre a great civilised example - of precisely why laws against fanatics of any stripe should not mention religion, since you'd try to dodge on that basis. written some things that are simply gratuitously insulting or ad hominem attacks. Like the ones you constantly make against any beliver? I suggest those people stick their heads in a bucket of ice water until they regain their manners. I suggest that you use a few buckets of soap to wash your mouth out. I'm certainly not going to stop pointing out your blatent lies, distortions and intollerance of anything which you define as a religion (as YOU see fit). I agree with Goodall, us religious people are sickening poisonous evil filth. That is why we need the Atonement and forgiveness that can only come in one way. But I can see things from the atheist perspective too. Since all of us are nothing more than an accidental arrangement of atomic and subatomic particles, and such particles are of little intrinsic value any more than a fart, it would be morally acceptable for all of us to just slaughter anyone who doesn't agree with us about everything until none of us are left. Er... come to think of it, that is what we have been trying to do throughout human history. We just haven't been able to develop technology fast enough to get the job done. Kill everyone who doesn't agree with you. That's the solution to this meaningless mess. When we are all dead, we can stop fighting. Or course, that won't matter either. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Do you play World of Warcraft? Let me know. Maybe we can play together. *** All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Manners (was Re: Religious freedom)
On 6 Sep 2006, at 12:40PM, John W Redelfs wrote: I agree with Goodall, us religious people are sickening poisonous evil filth. That is why we need the Atonement and forgiveness that can only come in one way. But I can see things from the atheist perspective too. Since all of us are nothing more than an accidental arrangement of atomic and subatomic particles, and such particles are of little intrinsic value any more than a fart, it would be morally acceptable for all of us to just slaughter anyone who doesn't agree with us about everything until none of us are left. Er... come to think of it, that is what we have been trying to do throughout human history. We just haven't been able to develop technology fast enough to get the job done. Kill everyone who doesn't agree with you. That's the solution to this meaningless mess. When we are all dead, we can stop fighting. Or course, that won't matter either. That's very religious talk! Lots of killing and blood. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ If you listen to a UNIX shell, can you hear the C? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Manners (was Re: Religious freedom)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice that this topic has attracted some interest and that people are giving some thought to the sickening poisonous evil filth of religion and the ghastly damage it causes individuals and society. However a number of people (you know who you are and I won't embarrass you by quoting you) have veered from the polite and civilised example I set when discussing this pernicious vileness and written some things that are simply gratuitously insulting or ad hominem attacks. Wow. I do have to admire your chutzpah.. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Manners (was Re: Religious freedom)
It's nice that this topic has attracted some interest and that people are giving some thought to the sickening poisonous evil filth of religion and the ghastly damage it causes individuals and society. However a number of people (you know who you are and I won't embarrass you by quoting you) have veered from the polite and civilised example I set when discussing this pernicious vileness and written some things that are simply gratuitously insulting or ad hominem attacks. I suggest those people stick their heads in a bucket of ice water until they regain their manners. Sincerely Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Manners (was Re: Religious freedom)
On 4 Sep 2006 at 0:41, William T Goodall wrote: It's nice that this topic has attracted some interest and that people are giving some thought to the sickening poisonous evil filth of religion and the ghastly damage it causes individuals and society. No, people are calling you a atheist zealot. There's a difference. However a number of people (you know who you are and I won't embarrass you by quoting you) have veered from the polite and civilised example I set when discussing this pernicious vileness and What, bigotry, intollerance, anti-sematism and police-state mentality? Yes, you givre a great civilised example - of precisely why laws against fanatics of any stripe should not mention religion, since you'd try to dodge on that basis. written some things that are simply gratuitously insulting or ad hominem attacks. Like the ones you constantly make against any beliver? I suggest those people stick their heads in a bucket of ice water until they regain their manners. I suggest that you use a few buckets of soap to wash your mouth out. I'm certainly not going to stop pointing out your blatent lies, distortions and intollerance of anything which you define as a religion (as YOU see fit). AndrewC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
