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Original Message: - From: Bruce Bostwick lihan161...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:30:53 -0600 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Incoming! Unless the fluid flow is completely laminar (which is extremely rare in nature), there's turbulence involved, which is naturally chaotic. Which is why I mentioned that that was a less informative answer than it might appear. (i.e. it was a joke .. :) OK, fair enoughbut quantum chaos comes about so quickly with virtually anything (you weren't here but I did a thought experiment that showed that h-bar introduces chaos in a billard ball though experiment in only 1-1.2 seconds). So, I guess I just don't think about that, because it's true of everything and not useful. OK, in what sense are you talking about fractals here. In particular, why shouldn't standard wave theory work? Dan M. If it were wave action, also, I'd expect some reverse flow in the cycle at least right after the front arrived. From the description, it sounded more like the wind speed varied between zero and maximum in one direction .. (to OP) right? I model phenomenon for a living. Most of it is complex enough so that it is impossible to sit down and calculate it from first principles. But, one can do phenomenology. When I was saying wave action, it was because that the first order fit to what Nick described was A(1+sin(wt)). Clearly there is a constant as well as sin term for the wind to go from zero to high to zero. Since Doug was talking about hiking in the Sierra, I immediately thought of many possible combinations that could results in this phenomenon (just think of all the valleys and canyons and natural resonences). But, in the absense of more data, I tend to think of the simplest phenomenology I can. Plus, chaos and fractal are popular physics buzz words. Most of the time, they have been misused. In particular, I don't understand how fractional dimensions are particularly useful in a modeling a pehomenon in which the information given matches A(1+sin(wt). I realize now that the reference to chaos was a joke, but I still don't understand what brought non-integer dimenisons to mind. Dan M. mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 04:15 PM Tuesday 12/23/2008, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: Yesterday was the Summer solstice here in the South Pacific and the day before was cold - only 6 degrees celsius. Global warming harumph. The fact that it is colder in some places than normal may be a sign of global warming. I know that some predictions say that global warming will make it colder and wetter here in our part of California because more cold air will be sucked off the Pacific by rising air in a hotter Central Valley. Global warming will lead to less stable weather and more extremes. Or already is. From what I understand of the models, that's not quite the consensus. Global warming is a long-term trend, not a year by year trend. In addition, we know that the weather had other variables, like the hurricane cycle (30s-40s many hurricanes, 70s-80s few, '00s many, or the La Nina/El Nino variation. Overall, this last year has been the coolest in the decade. This doesn't mean there is more variation than usual. For example, we've not had another dust bowl of the '30s. To first order, one should expect a general warming, and pattern changes with global warming. Most models predict more rain overall. The patterns of drought may not be more vicious, we're just more globally connected now. The data on hurricanes, in particular, is hard to pinpoint, because we can not name a tropical storm that just reaches 40 mph in the mid-Atlantic, or catch a hurricane at its peak of 155 to make it a cat 5, even though it ramped up and down fast, and hit land as only a cat 2. So, if one applies a fairly heavy, say 15 year filter, to the data, one sees global warming. If one looks for general regional trends, they are probably still mostly in the noise, but may energe later (in fact I'd be surprised if none emerged later). Dan M. http://www.cagle.com/working/081223/deering.gif Humor Maru . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:34 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Speaking of wind, I ran across an odd phenomenon while backpacking in the Sierra Nevada something close to twenty years ago. The wind actually came in waves; it would start out at a low velocity and continue to build over a period of something like 30 seconds at which point it was howling. Then it would stop dead and stay calm for several seconds before repeating. This continued all night then at some point the wind became continuous and later it snowed and we went scurrying for the trailhead. Has anyone else run into something like that, or heard of it happening? It was in early September in the Desolation wilderness south of Tahoe. Doug I'm sure there's chaos involved in that somehow. :) (Not as informative answer as it might sound, LOL) My guess is that if you were able to sample the wind speed at that point, you'd see something rather fractal, probably a 1/f distribution. The periodicity probably is a long-wavelength resonance, though, sort of like seiches in lakes .. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Gary Nunn wrote: Julia wrote... seriously, there are rabbits in the area, and I'm vaguely phobic about rabbits Have you ever seen the B movie Night of the Lepus? Quite possibly the worst movie of all-time. No, and I think I'll skip that one. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Yesterday was the Summer solstice here in the South Pacific and the day before was cold - only 6 degrees celsius. Global warming harumph. The fact that it is colder in some places than normal may be a sign of global warming. I know that some predictions say that global warming will make it colder and wetter here in our part of California because more cold air will be sucked off the Pacific by rising air in a hotter Central Valley. Global warming will lead to less stable weather and more extremes. Or already is. From what I understand of the models, that's not quite the consensus. Global warming is a long-term trend, not a year by year trend. In addition, we know that the weather had other variables, like the hurricane cycle (30s-40s many hurricanes, 70s-80s few, '00s many, or the La Nina/El Nino variation. Overall, this last year has been the coolest in the decade. This doesn't mean there is more variation than usual. For example, we've not had another dust bowl of the '30s. To first order, one should expect a general warming, and pattern changes with global warming. Most models predict more rain overall. The patterns of drought may not be more vicious, we're just more globally connected now. The data on hurricanes, in particular, is hard to pinpoint, because we can not name a tropical storm that just reaches 40 mph in the mid-Atlantic, or catch a hurricane at its peak of 155 to make it a cat 5, even though it ramped up and down fast, and hit land as only a cat 2. So, if one applies a fairly heavy, say 15 year filter, to the data, one sees global warming. If one looks for general regional trends, they are probably still mostly in the noise, but may energe later (in fact I'd be surprised if none emerged later). Dan M. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I'm sure there's chaos involved in that somehow. :) Why? It sounds like a pretty clear pattern to me, not chaos. My guess is that if you were able to sample the wind speed at that point, you'd see something rather fractal, probably a 1/f distribution. The periodicity probably is a long-wavelength resonance, though, sort of like seiches in lakes .. OK, in what sense are you talking about fractals here. In particular, why shouldn't standard wave theory work? Dan M. mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Dec 23, 2008, at 4:17 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: I'm sure there's chaos involved in that somehow. :) Why? It sounds like a pretty clear pattern to me, not chaos. Unless the fluid flow is completely laminar (which is extremely rare in nature), there's turbulence involved, which is naturally chaotic. Which is why I mentioned that that was a less informative answer than it might appear. (i.e. it was a joke .. :) My guess is that if you were able to sample the wind speed at that point, you'd see something rather fractal, probably a 1/f distribution. The periodicity probably is a long-wavelength resonance, though, sort of like seiches in lakes .. OK, in what sense are you talking about fractals here. In particular, why shouldn't standard wave theory work? Dan M. I suppose it might be somewhat applicable, if there was a large air mass that was undergoing some sort of harmonic resonant oscillation triggered by the energy of the frontal air mass. Now that I've had time to think about it, it's probably more likely that the periodicity was due to a shifting vortex street like the one to the leeward side of a small island in this photo: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/8000/8805/glory_amo_2008141_lrg.jpg .. large vortices like those *can* generate some periodicity in the wind, especially if it's shifting. If it were wave action, also, I'd expect some reverse flow in the cycle at least right after the front arrived. From the description, it sounded more like the wind speed varied between zero and maximum in one direction .. (to OP) right? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: My favorite, though, is the suspended fog layer a couple of feet or so off the ground and only a few inches thick. Those only form when there is *no* wind, at all, and usually aren't visible unless you see them almost edge-on. They don't ever form on highways because the air movement from a passing car will stir them up too much, but they form in the fields beside the road here and there. It's just a rather visually striking phenomenon, for me at least .. :) You mean, you get no wind at times there? ::boggle:: (I live on a ridge. There seems to be no such thing as no wind at my house. If I went to the ravine on our property, I might find no wind, but I'm a little nervous about critters. If there's a vorpal bunny anywhere in the area, it's going to be there.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia wrote: (I live on a ridge. There seems to be no such thing as no wind at my house. If I went to the ravine on our property, I might find no wind, but I'm a little nervous about critters. If there's a vorpal bunny anywhere in the area, it's going to be there.) What, you don't have a holy hand grenade? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Doug Pensinger wrote: Julia wrote: (I live on a ridge. There seems to be no such thing as no wind at my house. If I went to the ravine on our property, I might find no wind, but I'm a little nervous about critters. If there's a vorpal bunny anywhere in the area, it's going to be there.) What, you don't have a holy hand grenade? Well, if I knew for sure it was there, or not there, I'd be better about it. And no, we don't have a holy hand grenade. :( Julia seriously, there are rabbits in the area, and I'm vaguely phobic about rabbits ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia wrote... seriously, there are rabbits in the area, and I'm vaguely phobic about rabbits Have you ever seen the B movie Night of the Lepus? Quite possibly the worst movie of all-time. Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: My favorite, though, is the suspended fog layer a couple of feet or so off the ground and only a few inches thick. Those only form when there is *no* wind, at all, and usually aren't visible unless you see them almost edge-on. They don't ever form on highways because the air movement from a passing car will stir them up too much, but they form in the fields beside the road here and there. It's just a rather visually striking phenomenon, for me at least .. :) You mean, you get no wind at times there? ::boggle:: (I live on a ridge. There seems to be no such thing as no wind at my house. If I went to the ravine on our property, I might find no wind, but I'm a little nervous about critters. If there's a vorpal bunny anywhere in the area, it's going to be there.) Julia Dead calm *is* extremely rare out here, but it does happen sometimes. I'm not used to it anymore .. used to hearing the wind roaring through at a minimum of 10-20 knots. Been thinking about wind power a lot lately. :) It is vital to recognize situations you control through your own resources and abilities, and situations you control only because circumstances allow you to control them .. because the actions you take may make those favorable circumstances unfavorable in the blink of an eye. -- Me ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Speaking of wind, I ran across an odd phenomenon while backpacking in the Sierra Nevada something close to twenty years ago. The wind actually came in waves; it would start out at a low velocity and continue to build over a period of something like 30 seconds at which point it was howling. Then it would stop dead and stay calm for several seconds before repeating. This continued all night then at some point the wind became continuous and later it snowed and we went scurrying for the trailhead. Has anyone else run into something like that, or heard of it happening? It was in early September in the Desolation wilderness south of Tahoe. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Still in the 60s here, though I've already closed the windows. Expected to be in the upper 30s by morning, and maybe as low as 20 (°F, for Alberto, et. al.) Monday or Tuesday morning . . . It's depressingly cold here in the (alleged) tropics. We miss the days when temperature was 40. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Ronn! Blankenship ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote: The worst fog I have ever seen was one night between Windsor and Toronto, where literally all that was visible was a few feet of the road right in front of the car. And all the natives were flying by at 70 or 75 mph . . . Did you know that studies have shown that people unconsciously speed up in fog? People who can't see a speedometer will consistently think they are going slower -- significantly slower -- than they really are. We hit Tule fog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tule_fog) in the Central Valley a couple of years ago and I did what I know I should have done many times before -- immediately got off the road and stayed the night in a motel. That motel was close to empty when we checked in; it was full an hour later. Actually, it's not quite right to say we hit that fog. More like it formed around us. On the other hand, a year ago we got into some incredibly dense fog somewhere in Nevada, near Battle Mountain, IIRC, and decided to make our way east carefully - I checked current conditions in the next few towns and nobody was reporting fog. Sure enough, a half mile down the road we broke out of it into totally clear conditions. And, as long as I'm rambling on about fog... One of the more startling experiences one can have when landing an airplane is caused by a thin layer of ground fog. On approach, you can hardly even see that the fog is there, since you are looking down through its thinnest dimension. But just before touchdown, you're looking the long way through it and suddenly, really suddenly, you can't see a lot of the runway. Disconcerting, to say the least, because when landing you look way down the runway in order to judge how far off the ground you are. It suddenly becomes much more like a night landing than a daytime one. (When landing at night, you can't really judge your height accurately, so you basically fly the airplane all the way to the ground instead of gently settling it in as you do during the day. Ideally.) Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:13 AM Saturday 12/20/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Dec 20, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: If the forecasts are correct by this time tomorrow I will need to dig out the winter gear again . . . though at least the week of almost-constant rain will be ending . . . And -- according to my local forecast, a cold front is coming through sometime between this afternoon and tomorrow morning. I wish it would just make up its mind what temperature it's going to be Julia Still in the 60s here, though I've already closed the windows. Expected to be in the upper 30s by morning, and maybe as low as 20 (°F, for Alberto, et. al.) Monday or Tuesday morning . . . In the 30s today. And the day or two of fog we get after each cold front is only entertaining up to a point. Fog? Yep, we've been having that, too . . . Most of the driving I do first thing in the morning is on rural roads, just 1 block on anything you could call a highway and a little more than a mile on something that's neither highway nor rural in character. People are relatively sane with their driving, but it's kind of weird to see the Highway Intersection 1000', have the road curve so the actual distance to the closest bit of highway is significantly less than that, and being *barely* able to see the rise of the main part of the highway to go *over* the road. Then the next morning, there was comparable but not identical fog. I had fun comparing the two mornings in the same spots as I went along. (Stuff south of the highway was denser, in general, on the second morning, while the stuff north of it was less dense the second morning.) The effect an actual dense fog has on people's driving behavior in Texas has to be seen to be believed. On the roads you're on, Bruce, yes. On the roads I was on, people mostly just moderated their speed and didn't do anything stupid. :) The worst fog I have ever seen was one night between Windsor and Toronto, where literally all that was visible was a few feet of the road right in front of the car. And all the natives were flying by at 70 or 75 mph . . . (They can mostly deal with rain, up to a point. Snow or ice, forget it. :) I suspect that it's worse in Utah the first time it snows. Apparently over the summer everyone forgets how to drive in snow. At least here it's rare enough that people treat it as unusual and take more care. Also, when snow is likely schools cancel class and other things shut down so there are fewer people trying to get through it (though for the women who go into labor during the storm and need to get to the hospital on the top of the hill . . . ) And to tie-in to another thread: that is one of the times people around here rely on their TV-band radios . . . We don't get ice or snow very often at all, but when we do, it tends to shut stuff down rather badly. If I thought I'd be able to stop at the end of my street when it ices, I could manage to get around -- but it's partly that I know you need to be extra, extra cautious for that, and I'm good at skid recovery, as long as I manage to stay on the road. (Hence the potential problem at the end of my street.) I also found out on Friday that I still remember how to walk on ice -- I was walking down a hallway with enough water on the floor to make it slick in spots, and I just automatically went into ice-walking mode to reduce the chances of my slipping. That was weird. Then again, a lot about Friday was weird. (I may reconsider the hit all 3 kids' holiday parties at school thing next year, for one thing.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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It's depressingly cold here in the (alleged) tropics. We miss the days when temperature was 40. Yesterday was the Summer solstice here in the South Pacific and the day before was cold - only 6 degrees celsius. Global warming harumph. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Euan Ritchie wrote: It's depressingly cold here in the (alleged) tropics. We miss the days when temperature was 40. Yesterday was the Summer solstice here in the South Pacific and the day before was cold - only 6 degrees celsius. Global warming harumph. The science-deniers at Conservapedia are making fun of Global Warming. It seems that AGW proponents were involved in scientific fraud. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br wrote: Yesterday was the Summer solstice here in the South Pacific and the day before was cold - only 6 degrees celsius. Global warming harumph. The fact that it is colder in some places than normal may be a sign of global warming. I know that some predictions say that global warming will make it colder and wetter here in our part of California because more cold air will be sucked off the Pacific by rising air in a hotter Central Valley. Global warming will lead to less stable weather and more extremes. Or already is. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Dec 21, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: And, as long as I'm rambling on about fog... One of the more startling experiences one can have when landing an airplane is caused by a thin layer of ground fog. On approach, you can hardly even see that the fog is there, since you are looking down through its thinnest dimension. But just before touchdown, you're looking the long way through it and suddenly, really suddenly, you can't see a lot of the runway. Disconcerting, to say the least, because when landing you look way down the runway in order to judge how far off the ground you are. It suddenly becomes much more like a night landing than a daytime one. (When landing at night, you can't really judge your height accurately, so you basically fly the airplane all the way to the ground instead of gently settling it in as you do during the day. Ideally.) Nick I've know pilots who've encountered this themselves. I have it on reliable authority that it's extremely disorienting if you're not prepared for it. I also know someone who got fooled by an optical illusion one day when a runway was covered by blowing dust, and lined up his landing approach where he thought the runway was, then dropped about 20 feet into the dust and bounced right off the runway. In a B-24J Liberator. :) (I'm pretty sure he *didn't* crack the main gear trunnions or blow the tires, but it was a rather, um, *firm* contact with the runway even so.) The thin fog layers can be interesting even driving, though. Sometimes they do strikingly beautiful things like mask the road and the horizon, but show hints of clear sky above. I've seen it thin enough that the top of the car is actually above the fog bank, or fill up a small valley in between the hill I'm topping and the next one. My favorite, though, is the suspended fog layer a couple of feet or so off the ground and only a few inches thick. Those only form when there is *no* wind, at all, and usually aren't visible unless you see them almost edge-on. They don't ever form on highways because the air movement from a passing car will stir them up too much, but they form in the fields beside the road here and there. It's just a rather visually striking phenomenon, for me at least .. :) You wanna tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing? -- Toby Ziegler ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 10:41 PM Friday 12/19/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 08:08 AM Thursday 12/18/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:02 PM Wednesday 12/17/2008, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Shoe-fly pie. Your fly is open. No it's not. I'm not even wearing pants. Possibly TMI Maru Oh. That reminds me, I need to get a couple of kilts out of the washer and hang them up to dry Julia Not exactly. I was wearing sports-type shorts with an elastic waistband rather than a fly . . . Well, I was in Whole Foods in Austin on No Pants Day and a certain individual I know spotted me there and said, Way to celebrate No Pants Day! And I looked at him funny, and asked him when he'd last seen me in something other than a kilt. (Only one of the two kilts in question was mine. We have matching black Workman model kilts. Probably disgustingly cute or something like that.) Julia If the forecasts are correct by this time tomorrow I will need to dig out the winter gear again . . . though at least the week of almost-constant rain will be ending . . . . . . ronn! :-\ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:41 PM Friday 12/19/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 08:08 AM Thursday 12/18/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:02 PM Wednesday 12/17/2008, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Shoe-fly pie. Your fly is open. No it's not. I'm not even wearing pants. Possibly TMI Maru Oh. That reminds me, I need to get a couple of kilts out of the washer and hang them up to dry Julia Not exactly. I was wearing sports-type shorts with an elastic waistband rather than a fly . . . Well, I was in Whole Foods in Austin on No Pants Day and a certain individual I know spotted me there and said, Way to celebrate No Pants Day! And I looked at him funny, and asked him when he'd last seen me in something other than a kilt. (Only one of the two kilts in question was mine. We have matching black Workman model kilts. Probably disgustingly cute or something like that.) Julia If the forecasts are correct by this time tomorrow I will need to dig out the winter gear again . . . though at least the week of almost-constant rain will be ending . . . And -- according to my local forecast, a cold front is coming through sometime between this afternoon and tomorrow morning. I wish it would just make up its mind what temperature it's going to be Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Dec 20, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: If the forecasts are correct by this time tomorrow I will need to dig out the winter gear again . . . though at least the week of almost-constant rain will be ending . . . And -- according to my local forecast, a cold front is coming through sometime between this afternoon and tomorrow morning. I wish it would just make up its mind what temperature it's going to be Julia And the day or two of fog we get after each cold front is only entertaining up to a point. The effect an actual dense fog has on people's driving behavior in Texas has to be seen to be believed. (They can mostly deal with rain, up to a point. Snow or ice, forget it. :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 10:13 AM Saturday 12/20/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Dec 20, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: If the forecasts are correct by this time tomorrow I will need to dig out the winter gear again . . . though at least the week of almost-constant rain will be ending . . . And -- according to my local forecast, a cold front is coming through sometime between this afternoon and tomorrow morning. I wish it would just make up its mind what temperature it's going to be Julia Still in the 60s here, though I've already closed the windows. Expected to be in the upper 30s by morning, and maybe as low as 20 (°F, for Alberto, et. al.) Monday or Tuesday morning . . . And the day or two of fog we get after each cold front is only entertaining up to a point. Fog? Yep, we've been having that, too . . . The effect an actual dense fog has on people's driving behavior in Texas has to be seen to be believed. The worst fog I have ever seen was one night between Windsor and Toronto, where literally all that was visible was a few feet of the road right in front of the car. And all the natives were flying by at 70 or 75 mph . . . (They can mostly deal with rain, up to a point. Snow or ice, forget it. :) I suspect that it's worse in Utah the first time it snows. Apparently over the summer everyone forgets how to drive in snow. At least here it's rare enough that people treat it as unusual and take more care. Also, when snow is likely schools cancel class and other things shut down so there are fewer people trying to get through it (though for the women who go into labor during the storm and need to get to the hospital on the top of the hill . . . ) And to tie-in to another thread: that is one of the times people around here rely on their TV-band radios . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 08:08 AM Thursday 12/18/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:02 PM Wednesday 12/17/2008, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Shoe-fly pie. Your fly is open. No it's not. I'm not even wearing pants. Possibly TMI Maru Oh. That reminds me, I need to get a couple of kilts out of the washer and hang them up to dry Julia Not exactly. I was wearing sports-type shorts with an elastic waistband rather than a fly . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 08:08 AM Thursday 12/18/2008, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:02 PM Wednesday 12/17/2008, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Shoe-fly pie. Your fly is open. No it's not. I'm not even wearing pants. Possibly TMI Maru Oh. That reminds me, I need to get a couple of kilts out of the washer and hang them up to dry Julia Not exactly. I was wearing sports-type shorts with an elastic waistband rather than a fly . . . Well, I was in Whole Foods in Austin on No Pants Day and a certain individual I know spotted me there and said, Way to celebrate No Pants Day! And I looked at him funny, and asked him when he'd last seen me in something other than a kilt. (Only one of the two kilts in question was mine. We have matching black Workman model kilts. Probably disgustingly cute or something like that.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:02 PM Wednesday 12/17/2008, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Shoe-fly pie. Your fly is open. No it's not. I'm not even wearing pants. Possibly TMI Maru Oh. That reminds me, I need to get a couple of kilts out of the washer and hang them up to dry Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Shoe-fly pie. Your fly is open. -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:02 PM Wednesday 12/17/2008, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Dec 17, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Shoe-fly pie. Your fly is open. No it's not. I'm not even wearing pants. Possibly TMI Maru . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Dec 17, 2008, at 9:04 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Possibly TMI Maru Possibly? My imagination is suffering from hysterical blindness... -- WO ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
