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Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The second story mentioned is found in _Sacred Visions_, an anthology of Catholic-related SF. It's The Pope of the Chimps by Robert Silverberg. If you're interested in Catholicism in SF, _Sacred Visions_ is a nice anthology. (If you're interested in Catholicism in fantasy dressed up as SF, I'd recommend reading stuff by Christopher Stasheff, but it's not as well-written as, say, _A Canticle for Leibowitz_ by Walter M. Miller.) Thanks - it's infuriating to only partially remember stuff! Agree about Stasheff. Debbi who is also not a Catholic, but has good friends who are... :) I have 3 friends who got me interested in Stasheff, all of them Catholic. :) There are 2 series of his that I've done reading in; the first one starts with _Her Majesty's Wizard_ and it is fantasy, but the sort where some late 20th-century USAn is thrown into a fantastic situation where he has to figure out how the universe works and use his wits to survive (and then thrive). One of the 3 friends reads *only* this series; she's tried to get into the other one I've read, and it hasn't done anything for her. The second series is fantasy in SF trappings and begins with _The Warlock In Spite Of Himself_. The magic is explained, but not entirely to my satisfaction; the magic is on one planet in a universe where humans have done a lot of colonizing from Earth, and while there's an attempt to explain the whole system, it isn't as good as the explanation of the dragons given in McCaffrey's _Dragonsdawn_, for comparison. Good light reading, if you can stomach the premise. This was a great favorite of the other 2 friends, and since there have been more books written in this series, if you're looking for a whole lot of relative fluff, you can get a lot from one universe. So, if someone you know likes fantasy and you're wracking your brains for a gift for them, this might be helpful. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage The second series is fantasy in SF trappings and begins with _The Warlock In Spite Of Himself_. The magic is explained, but not entirely to my satisfaction; the magic is on one planet in a universe where humans have done a lot of colonizing from Earth, and while there's an attempt to explain the whole system, it isn't as good as the explanation of the dragons given in McCaffrey's _Dragonsdawn_, for comparison. Good light reading, if you can stomach the premise. This was a great favorite of the other 2 friends, and since there have been more books written in this series, if you're looking for a whole lot of relative fluff, you can get a lot from one universe. So, if someone you know likes fantasy and you're wracking your brains for a gift for them, this might be helpful. :) One friend who loves the Dragonrider series and The Belgariad has resisted my Brin-pushing sigh, so I've suggested The Wheel of Time series and just about anything by Patricia McKillip - The Riddlemaster series is a favorite. Addicted To Swords'n'Sorcery Maru :) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 14:03 2002-12-18 -0800, you wrote: One friend who loves the Dragonrider series and The Belgariad has resisted my Brin-pushing sigh, so I've suggested The Wheel of Time series and just about anything by Patricia McKillip - The Riddlemaster series is a favorite. Addicted To Swords'n'Sorcery Maru :) I'd also recommend anything by Guy Gavriel Kay. His later stuff is best, but a Swords'n'Sorcery fanatic would better start with _Tigana_. He writes fantasy, without the coming of age, promised a great destiny crap that makes Fantasy seem like a geek's Harlequin romance. Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The Rugrats consistently mispronounce and mangle the words that they hear grownups say. So Bob for God, alium for alien, quackulator for caclulator and so on. Said mangling being one of the more funny things about Rugrats, IMHO. john On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 11:53 AM, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bob Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:28:12 -0600 Horn, John wrote: From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] You know, that would be funnier if Bob as a religious figure hadn't already been taken. I'm reading the thing, and waiting for the slack punchline, and it never comes. Highly irritating. Do you mean by the Rugrats? ;-) No, I mean what Adam posted. The Church of the Subgenius has been around longer than Rugrats. (Maybe it's a homage to CoSg?) Possibly? Although this is the first I've heard about the Rugrats and Bob, I do know that the Rugrats have a number of Jewish holiday videos and there are Rugrats menorahs and holiday books. Religious Jews aren't supposed to say or write the name of God (It's either written 'G-d' in English or pronounced Hashem instead of the Hebrew word which is transliterated as Yahweh or Jehovah, but isn't pronounced that way in Hebrew.) Perhaps the producers wanted to make sure they weren't offending religious Jews -- they have reached out to that audience.) Jon _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Jean-Louis Couturier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: Re: bob At 14:03 2002-12-18 -0800, you wrote: One friend who loves the Dragonrider series and The Belgariad has resisted my Brin-pushing sigh, so I've suggested The Wheel of Time series and just about anything by Patricia McKillip - The Riddlemaster series is a favorite. Addicted To Swords'n'Sorcery Maru :) I'd also recommend anything by Guy Gavriel Kay. His later stuff is best, but a Swords'n'Sorcery fanatic would better start with _Tigana_. He writes fantasy, without the coming of age, promised a great destiny crap that makes Fantasy seem like a geek's Harlequin romance. Aw man.thats the best description yet!! I'd call Kays fantasy Fantasy for mature post adolescents. xponent Tigana Is My Favorite Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I'd also recommend anything by Guy Gavriel Kay. His later stuff is best, but a Swords'n'Sorcery fanatic would better start with _Tigana_. He writes fantasy, without the coming of age, promised a great destiny crap that makes Fantasy seem like a geek's Harlequin romance. I dunno, of all the fantasy books I ever read of his (which are many but not all) I felt Tigana was the BEST of the lot, and that's saying much... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Italeri's Merkava ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Deborah Harrell wrote: --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=236 yawns and quits reading after ~ 1/4 article There are much better parodies and indictments out there. A sci-fi short story from ~ 20 years ago (it was in a collection of stories related to religion, from the SF Book Club, IIRC) has the omnipotent one fertilizing a female on a planet on which species are cross-fertilizable, and the end result is a bunch of sports and monsters (IIRC). I think there was also a much more thoughtful story in the same collection, about a captive community of (genetically enhanced?) chimpanzees: after the death of a well-liked researcher, one of the chimps confuses the idea of Heaven with dead chimpanzees being resurrected as humans, and so concludes that killing chimps is a good and holy thing... The second story mentioned is found in _Sacred Visions_, an anthology of Catholic-related SF. It's The Pope of the Chimps by Robert Silverberg. If you're interested in Catholicism in SF, _Sacred Visions_ is a nice anthology. (If you're interested in Catholicism in fantasy dressed up as SF, I'd recommend reading stuff by Christopher Stasheff, but it's not as well-written as, say, _A Canticle for Leibowitz_ by Walter M. Miller.) Julia Not a Catholic, but could maybe play one on TV ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] You know, that would be funnier if Bob as a religious figure hadn't already been taken. I'm reading the thing, and waiting for the slack punchline, and it never comes. Highly irritating. Do you mean by the Rugrats? ;-) - jmh (For those of you without kids, the Rugrats cartoon always uses Bob for God.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Horn, John wrote: From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] You know, that would be funnier if Bob as a religious figure hadn't already been taken. I'm reading the thing, and waiting for the slack punchline, and it never comes. Highly irritating. Do you mean by the Rugrats? ;-) No, I mean what Adam posted. The Church of the Subgenius has been around longer than Rugrats. (Maybe it's a homage to CoSg?) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bob Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:28:12 -0600 Horn, John wrote: From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] You know, that would be funnier if Bob as a religious figure hadn't already been taken. I'm reading the thing, and waiting for the slack punchline, and it never comes. Highly irritating. Do you mean by the Rugrats? ;-) No, I mean what Adam posted. The Church of the Subgenius has been around longer than Rugrats. (Maybe it's a homage to CoSg?) Possibly? Although this is the first I've heard about the Rugrats and Bob, I do know that the Rugrats have a number of Jewish holiday videos and there are Rugrats menorahs and holiday books. Religious Jews aren't supposed to say or write the name of God (It's either written 'G-d' in English or pronounced Hashem instead of the Hebrew word which is transliterated as Yahweh or Jehovah, but isn't pronounced that way in Hebrew.) Perhaps the producers wanted to make sure they weren't offending religious Jews -- they have reached out to that audience.) Jon _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Do you mean by the Rugrats? ;-) No, I mean what Adam posted. The Church of the Subgenius has been around longer than Rugrats. (Maybe it's a homage to CoSg?) Actually, I knew that. That's why I put in the smiley. I don't think Rugrats has anything to do with CoSg. They do things like that when dealing with potentially controversial stuff. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Original Message- From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bob In a message dated 12/16/02 10:28:42 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: weave Float like a butterfly? Sting like a bee! Oww! Oww! My ear! He BIT me! -j- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=236 yawns and quits reading after ~ 1/4 article There are much better parodies and indictments out there. A sci-fi short story from ~ 20 years ago (it was in a collection of stories related to religion, from the SF Book Club, IIRC) has the omnipotent one fertilizing a female on a planet on which species are cross-fertilizable, and the end result is a bunch of sports and monsters (IIRC). I think there was also a much more thoughtful story in the same collection, about a captive community of (genetically enhanced?) chimpanzees: after the death of a well-liked researcher, one of the chimps confuses the idea of Heaven with dead chimpanzees being resurrected as humans, and so concludes that killing chimps is a good and holy thing... GSV Requiem __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The Fool wrote: http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=236 You know, that would be funnier if Bob as a religious figure hadn't already been taken. I'm reading the thing, and waiting for the slack punchline, and it never comes. Highly irritating. Julia who knows a number of followers of Bob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=236 You know, that would be funnier if Bob as a religious figure hadn't already been taken. I'm reading the thing, and waiting for the slack punchline, and it never comes. Highly irritating. Julia who knows a number of followers of Bob ?? never heard of it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] You know, that would be funnier if Bob as a religious figure hadn't already been taken. I'm reading the thing, and waiting for the slack punchline, and it never comes. Highly irritating. Julia who knows a number of followers of Bob ?? never heard of it. http://www.subgenius.com/ Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silence. I am watching television. - Spider Jerusalem ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
