Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-06 Thread Dave Finlay
There is an onus on you to use the appropriate mailing list. Bug-bash isn't for make-ing your case, bug-bash is for the bugs. Dave Finlay On Dec 6, 2016 15:44, "Robert Durkacz" wrote: On 6 December 2016 at 00:19, Greg Wooledge wrote: > what

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-06 Thread Robert Durkacz
On 6 December 2016 at 00:19, Greg Wooledge wrote: > what evidence? > ​ [for shell scripting builds] > ​ I suppose the evidence that you want is in the very same wikipedia article about make, where it says precisely that shell scripts were used before make came along.

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 11:37:11PM +1100, Robert Durkacz wrote: > I am asking about shell scripting > of software builds, something that is perfectly possible to do and once > must have been the common way. Based on what evidence? Show me a shell script created to build a software project

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-05 Thread Robert Durkacz
You have gone to some trouble with your answer Eduardo, and thanks for that but really you are arguing against a proposition that I have not put and I do not want other readers to be mislead. I am asking about shell scripting of software builds, something that is perfectly possible to do and once

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-03 Thread John McKown
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Eduardo Bustamante wrote: > "build market"? What are you talking about? make was created with the > sole purpose of build automation. The shell was created to provide a > "human interface" to computer operators. These are very specific and >

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-03 Thread Eduardo Bustamante
"build market"? What are you talking about? make was created with the sole purpose of build automation. The shell was created to provide a "human interface" to computer operators. These are very specific and different purposes. Are you going to start asking next to re-implement vi inside bash? to

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-03 Thread Robert Durkacz
On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 Greg Wooledge wrote: "For starters, make is *older* than bash, by over a decade. "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_%28software%29 says that make originated at Bell Labs in April 1976. "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_%28Unix_shell%29 says that the first "beta version of

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-02 Thread Dave Finlay
Robert- I wanted to craft a witty retort with a veneer of encouragement that might push your towards trying your proposed endeavor. I could not bring myself to do it after realizing that you are quite serious. I understand your motivations. Build systems are often complicated, opaque pieces of

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 10:53:30PM +1100, Robert Durkacz wrote: > really I am asking why should not program builds have been scripted with > bash all along For starters, make is *older* than bash, by over a decade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_%28software%29 says that make originated at

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-02 Thread Robert Durkacz
On 29/11/16 Charles Daffern replied to my question about bash and make as if I was proposing that bash might beneficially reimplement make, but really I am asking why should not program builds have been scripted with bash all along and make never invented. So if Charles or someone else could point

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-12-02 Thread Robert Durkacz
I agree that is the first step to take, but I am supposing that, since build systems are a big business, some extensions to bash would be worth doing to take on that market. E.g. I think we would need a concept of lists of files so as to skip executing a command if all files in the list are older

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-11-29 Thread Charles Daffern
On 29/11/16 05:41, Robert Durkacz wrote: > make has survived all this time but it is not very well accepted today > with a lot of competing build systems trying to do better. bash is > very secure and moreover the Bourne shell was there first. make is > falling out of favour as far as I can see

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-11-28 Thread Robert Durkacz
make has survived all this time but it is not very well accepted today with a lot of competing build systems trying to do better. bash is very secure and moreover the Bourne shell was there first. make is falling out of favour as far as I can see even though it has had a very good run: Kernighan

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-11-28 Thread Dennis Williamson
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Robert Durkacz wrote: > Has thought been given, over the years, to extending bash to do > what make does, in the obvious way that I am about to describe? > > It would be a matter of having chosen build commands do nothing if their >

Re: Could bash do what make does?

2016-11-28 Thread Eduardo Bustamante
Why should bash do what make already does?