Re: LM Orchestral template

2015-09-22 Thread Trevor Daniels 

Simon Albrecht wrote Tuesday, September 22, 2015 7:35 PM

> I just came across the Orchestral template in LM A.6.I, and noticed two 
> flaws, one minor and one serious:
> – Double basses usually aren’t notated in a \clef "bass_8", but as 
> transposing instruments (originating from the time when they were 
> sharing a staff with the violoncelli). All the scores I have here, from 
> Beethoven through Mendelssohn, Bruckner and Mahler to Hindemith, confirm 
> this. I attach a version of the template where this is changed.

Thanks

> – The image rendition in the docs is extremely compressed, with 
> overlapping stuff, staves touching one another  This is a really bad 
> example and needs to be changed; how is this done? I don’t know the 
> framework in lilypond-book-preamble.ly; certainly there will be someone 
> who can quickly say how to allow the score more space.

I think for this example all that is needed is to reduce the global staff
size, which is set (unusually) in this file to 17.  I can't easily test this as
it is a pain for me to build the docs, but James might be willing to do
some experiments to choose the optimum staff size.

Trevor
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Re: Grace notes and staff miss-alignment

2015-09-22 Thread Simon Albrecht 

On 22.09.2015 18:47, tisimst wrote:


On 9/22/2015 10:43 AM, David Kastrup [via Lilypond] wrote:

tisimst <[hidden email]
> writes:


On 9/22/2015 9:42 AM, David Kastrup [via Lilypond] wrote:

Pierre Perol-Schneider <[hidden email]
> writes:


I'm not top posting

Hi Squad,

When many grace notes, staves are miss aligned:

%%
\version "2.19.27"

\transpose c c' {
   \repeat unfold 16 { e'8 a }
   R1*8
}

\transpose c c' {
   \repeat unfold 16 { \grace dis'8 e' \grace gis8 a }
   R1*8
}
%%

Huh?  That example demonstrates that measures with many grace notes in
them will take more space than _independently_ typeset measures

without

the grace notes in them.

Which is not surprising at all.  What is the misalignment you are
talking about?

I think this is what he meant (first as separate scores, then in the
same score):



The notes line up, but the second system doesn't break/compress like it
should.

- Abraham


fbbigajb.png (87K)




Well, stuff lines up perfectly on my system.  So where's the difference?
64-bit system vs 32-bit (the latter would be mine)?  Different fonts
(less likely)?

Sounds like it might be OS-specific. I'm on Windows 7, 64-bit, LilyPond
2.19.27, using default fonts.


Everything fine with me:
Ubuntu 14.04, 64-bit, Lily 2.19.27, default fonts as well.

Yours, Simon

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LM Orchestral template

2015-09-22 Thread Simon Albrecht 

Hello,

I just came across the Orchestral template in LM A.6.I, and noticed two 
flaws, one minor and one serious:
– Double basses usually aren’t notated in a \clef "bass_8", but as 
transposing instruments (originating from the time when they were 
sharing a staff with the violoncelli). All the scores I have here, from 
Beethoven through Mendelssohn, Bruckner and Mahler to Hindemith, confirm 
this. I attach a version of the template where this is changed.
– The image rendition in the docs is extremely compressed, with 
overlapping stuff, staves touching one another  This is a really bad 
example and needs to be changed; how is this done? I don’t know the 
framework in lilypond-book-preamble.ly; certainly there will be someone 
who can quickly say how to allow the score more space.


Yours, Simon
\version "2.19.27"
#(set-global-staff-size 17)
\paper {
  indent = 3.0\cm  % space for instrumentName
  short-indent = 1.5\cm  % space for shortInstrumentName
}

fluteMusic = \relative c' { \key g \major g'1 b }
% Pitches as written on a manuscript for Clarinet in A
% are transposed to concert pitch.
clarinetMusic = \transpose c' a
  \relative c'' { \key bes \major bes1 d }
trumpetMusic = \relative c { \key g \major g''1 b }
% Key signature is often omitted for horns
hornMusic = \transpose c' f
  \relative c { d'1 fis }
percussionMusic = \relative c { \key g \major g1 b }
sopranoMusic = \relative c'' { \key g \major g'1 b }
sopranoLyrics = \lyricmode { Lyr -- ics }
altoIMusic = \relative c' { \key g \major g'1 b }
altoIIMusic = \relative c' { \key g \major g'1 b }
altoILyrics =  \sopranoLyrics
altoIILyrics = \lyricmode { Ah -- ah }
tenorMusic = \relative c' { \clef "treble_8" \key g \major g1 b }
tenorLyrics = \sopranoLyrics
pianoRHMusic = \relative c { \key g \major g''1 b }
pianoLHMusic = \relative c { \clef bass \key g \major g1 b }
violinIMusic = \relative c' { \key g \major g'1 b }
violinIIMusic = \relative c' { \key g \major g'1 b }
violaMusic = \relative c { \clef alto \key g \major g'1 b }
celloMusic = \relative c { \clef bass \key g \major g1 b }
bassMusic = \transpose c c,
  \relative c { \clef bass \key g \major g1 b }

\score {
  <<
\new StaffGroup = "StaffGroup_woodwinds" <<
  \new Staff = "Staff_flute" {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Flute"
% shortInstrumentName, midiInstrument, etc.
% may be set here as well
\fluteMusic
  }
  \new Staff = "Staff_clarinet" {
\set Staff.instrumentName =
\markup { \concat { "Clarinet in B" \flat } }
% Declare that written Middle C in the music
%  to follow sounds a concert B flat, for
%  output using sounded pitches such as MIDI.
\transposition bes
% Print music for a B-flat clarinet
\transpose bes c' \clarinetMusic
  }
>>
\new StaffGroup = "StaffGroup_brass" <<
  \new Staff = "Staff_hornI" {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Horn in F"
\transposition f
\transpose f c' \hornMusic
  }
  \new Staff = "Staff_trumpet" {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Trumpet in  C"
\trumpetMusic
  }
>>
\new RhythmicStaff = "RhythmicStaff_percussion" <<
  \set RhythmicStaff.instrumentName = #"Percussion"
  \percussionMusic
>>
\new PianoStaff <<
  \set PianoStaff.instrumentName = #"Piano"
  \new Staff { \pianoRHMusic }
  \new Staff { \pianoLHMusic }
>>
\new ChoirStaff = "ChoirStaff_choir" <<
  \new Staff = "Staff_soprano" {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Soprano"
\new Voice = "soprano"
\sopranoMusic
  }
  \new Lyrics \lyricsto "soprano" { \sopranoLyrics }
  \new GrandStaff = "GrandStaff_altos"
  \with { \accepts Lyrics } <<
\new Staff = "Staff_altoI"  {
  \set Staff.instrumentName = #"Alto I"
  \new Voice = "altoI"
  \altoIMusic
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "altoI" { \altoILyrics }
\new Staff = "Staff_altoII" {
  \set Staff.instrumentName = #"Alto II"
  \new Voice = "altoII"
  \altoIIMusic
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "altoII" { \altoIILyrics }
  >>
  \new Staff = "Staff_tenor" {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Tenor"
\new Voice = "tenor"
\tenorMusic
  }
  \new Lyrics \lyricsto "tenor" { \tenorLyrics }
>>
\new StaffGroup = "StaffGroup_strings" <<
  \new GrandStaff = "GrandStaff_violins" <<
\new Staff = "Staff_violinI" {
  \set Staff.instrumentName = #"Violin I"
  \violinIMusic
}
\new Staff = "Staff_violinII" {
  \set Staff.instrumentName = #"Violin II"
  \violinIIMusic
}
  >>
  \new Staff = "Staff_viola" {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Viola"
\violaMusic
  }
  \new Staff = "Staff_cello" {
\set Staff.instrumentName = #"Cello"
\celloMusic
  }
  \new Staff = "Staff_bass" {

Re: LM Orchestral template

2015-09-22 Thread Simon Albrecht 

On 22.09.2015 21:42, Trevor Daniels wrote:

Simon Albrecht wrote Tuesday, September 22, 2015 7:35 PM


I just came across the Orchestral template in LM A.6.I, and noticed two
flaws, one minor and one serious:
– Double basses usually aren’t notated in a \clef "bass_8", but as
transposing instruments (originating from the time when they were
sharing a staff with the violoncelli). All the scores I have here, from
Beethoven through Mendelssohn, Bruckner and Mahler to Hindemith, confirm
this. I attach a version of the template where this is changed.

Thanks


– The image rendition in the docs is extremely compressed, with
overlapping stuff, staves touching one another  This is a really bad
example and needs to be changed; how is this done? I don’t know the
framework in lilypond-book-preamble.ly; certainly there will be someone
who can quickly say how to allow the score more space.

I think for this example all that is needed is to reduce the global staff
size, which is set (unusually) in this file to 17.
I’m afraid it won’t be as easy. I also thought that way, but I tried it 
(loading the complete source file for the image with \include 
"lilypond-book-preamble.ly" etc.) and it doesn’t make a difference: 
everything gets smaller, but is compressed and cut the same.


Yours, Simon

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verkeert is wrong

2015-09-22 Thread Martin Tarenskeen 


Where do I report translation errors?

Please in nl.po:3700 replace "verkeert" by "verkeerd"

verkeert is wrong.
wrong is verkeerd 
:-)


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Re: Grace notes and staff miss-alignment

2015-09-22 Thread David Kastrup 
tisimst  writes:

> On 9/22/2015 9:42 AM, David Kastrup [via Lilypond] wrote:
>> Pierre Perol-Schneider <[hidden email] 
>> > writes:
>>
>> >>I'm not top posting
>> >
>> > Hi Squad,
>> >
>> > When many grace notes, staves are miss aligned:
>> >
>> > %%
>> > \version "2.19.27"
>> >
>> > \transpose c c' {
>> >   \repeat unfold 16 { e'8 a }
>> >   R1*8
>> > }
>> >
>> > \transpose c c' {
>> >   \repeat unfold 16 { \grace dis'8 e' \grace gis8 a }
>> >   R1*8
>> > }
>> > %%
>>
>> Huh?  That example demonstrates that measures with many grace notes in
>> them will take more space than _independently_ typeset measures without
>> the grace notes in them.
>>
>> Which is not surprising at all.  What is the misalignment you are
>> talking about?
>
> I think this is what he meant (first as separate scores, then in the 
> same score):
>
>
>
> The notes line up, but the second system doesn't break/compress like it 
> should.
>
> - Abraham
>
>
> fbbigajb.png (87K)
> 

Well, stuff lines up perfectly on my system.  So where's the difference?
64-bit system vs 32-bit (the latter would be mine)?  Different fonts
(less likely)?

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Re: Grace notes and staff miss-alignment

2015-09-22 Thread tisimst 


On 9/22/2015 10:43 AM, David Kastrup [via Lilypond] wrote:
> tisimst <[hidden email] 
> > writes:
>
> > On 9/22/2015 9:42 AM, David Kastrup [via Lilypond] wrote:
> >> Pierre Perol-Schneider <[hidden email]
> >> > writes:
> >>
> >> >>I'm not top posting
> >> >
> >> > Hi Squad,
> >> >
> >> > When many grace notes, staves are miss aligned:
> >> >
> >> > %%
> >> > \version "2.19.27"
> >> >
> >> > \transpose c c' {
> >> >   \repeat unfold 16 { e'8 a }
> >> >   R1*8
> >> > }
> >> >
> >> > \transpose c c' {
> >> >   \repeat unfold 16 { \grace dis'8 e' \grace gis8 a }
> >> >   R1*8
> >> > }
> >> > %%
> >>
> >> Huh?  That example demonstrates that measures with many grace notes in
> >> them will take more space than _independently_ typeset measures 
> without
> >> the grace notes in them.
> >>
> >> Which is not surprising at all.  What is the misalignment you are
> >> talking about?
> >
> > I think this is what he meant (first as separate scores, then in the
> > same score):
> >
> >
> >
> > The notes line up, but the second system doesn't break/compress like it
> > should.
> >
> > - Abraham
> >
> >
> > fbbigajb.png (87K)
> > 
> 
>
> Well, stuff lines up perfectly on my system.  So where's the difference?
> 64-bit system vs 32-bit (the latter would be mine)?  Different fonts
> (less likely)?

Sounds like it might be OS-specific. I'm on Windows 7, 64-bit, LilyPond 
2.19.27, using default fonts.

- Abraham




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Re: verkeert is wrong

2015-09-22 Thread Federico Bruni 
Il giorno mar 22 set 2015 alle 22:06, Benno Schulenberg 
 ha scritto:

Done.


Thanks



By the way, in the Dutch PO file there are some FIXME remarks.  They
comment on some strangeness in the corresponding msgid.  Could you
have a look at them and maybe fix some of them in the source?


I'm not a developer and don't know what they really mean. Anyway, you 
mean this:


$ git grep -A 2 FIXME po/lilypond.pot
po/lilypond.pot:1758:#. FIXME: constant error message.
po/lilypond.pot-1759-#: change-iterator.cc:67
po/lilypond.pot-1760-msgid "cannot find context to switch to"
--
po/lilypond.pot:1775:#. FIXME: incomprehensible message
po/lilypond.pot-1776-#: change-iterator.cc:82
po/lilypond.pot-1777-msgid "none of these in my family"
--
po/lilypond.pot:2396:#. FIXME: constant error message.
po/lilypond.pot-2397-#: mark-engraver.cc:150
po/lilypond.pot-2398-msgid "rehearsalMark must have integer value"
--
po/lilypond.pot:2899:#. FIXME:
po/lilypond.pot-2900-#: script-engraver.cc:115
po/lilypond.pot-2901-msgid "do not know how to interpret articulation:"




Second by the way: some msgids are identical save for a terminating 
\n.

Is this distinction necessary or could those strings be equalized?


I don't know


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Re: Grace notes and staff miss-alignment

2015-09-22 Thread Andrew Bernard 
Works fine on Ubuntu 15.04, 64 bit, lilypond 2.19.27.

Andrew

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Re: LM Orchestral template

2015-09-22 Thread James Lowe 
On 22/09/15 20:51, Simon Albrecht wrote:
> On 22.09.2015 21:42, Trevor Daniels wrote:
>> Simon Albrecht wrote Tuesday, September 22, 2015 7:35 PM
>>
>>> I just came across the Orchestral template in LM A.6.I, and noticed two
>>> flaws, one minor and one serious:
>>> – Double basses usually aren’t notated in a \clef "bass_8", but as
>>> transposing instruments (originating from the time when they were
>>> sharing a staff with the violoncelli). All the scores I have here, from
>>> Beethoven through Mendelssohn, Bruckner and Mahler to Hindemith, confirm
>>> this. I attach a version of the template where this is changed.
>> Thanks
>>
>>> – The image rendition in the docs is extremely compressed, with
>>> overlapping stuff, staves touching one another  This is a really bad
>>> example and needs to be changed; how is this done? I don’t know the
>>> framework in lilypond-book-preamble.ly; certainly there will be someone
>>> who can quickly say how to allow the score more space.
>> I think for this example all that is needed is to reduce the global staff
>> size, which is set (unusually) in this file to 17.
> I’m afraid it won’t be as easy. I also thought that way, but I tried it
> (loading the complete source file for the image with \include
> "lilypond-book-preamble.ly" etc.) and it doesn’t make a difference:
> everything gets smaller, but is compressed and cut the same.
> 

Yes I verified this too.

Well I tried to fiddle about the 'Flexible Vertical Spacing' (NR 4.4.1)

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation-big-page#flexible-vertical-spacing-within-systems

I think a combination of these will help, the problem I have is that I
cannot work out which. :(

I've never got my head around these settings.

James

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Re: verkeert is wrong

2015-09-22 Thread Benno Schulenberg 

Hello Federico,

On 2015-09-22 11:24, Federico Bruni wrote:
> Benno, can you fix this error (see below) and send it to the robot?

Done.

By the way, in the Dutch PO file there are some FIXME remarks.  They
comment on some strangeness in the corresponding msgid.  Could you
have a look at them and maybe fix some of them in the source?

Second by the way: some msgids are identical save for a terminating \n.
Is this distinction necessary or could those strings be equalized?

Regards,

Benno

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Re: Grace notes and staff miss-alignment

2015-09-22 Thread David Kastrup 
Pierre Perol-Schneider  writes:

>>I'm not top posting
>
> Hi Squad,
>
> When many grace notes, staves are miss aligned:
>
> %%
> \version "2.19.27"
>
> \transpose c c' {
>   \repeat unfold 16 { e'8 a }
>   R1*8
> }
>
> \transpose c c' {
>   \repeat unfold 16 { \grace dis'8 e' \grace gis8 a }
>   R1*8
> }
> %%

Huh?  That example demonstrates that measures with many grace notes in
them will take more space than _independently_ typeset measures without
the grace notes in them.

Which is not surprising at all.  What is the misalignment you are
talking about?

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Re: Grace notes and staff miss-alignment

2015-09-22 Thread tisimst 


On 9/22/2015 9:42 AM, David Kastrup [via Lilypond] wrote:
> Pierre Perol-Schneider <[hidden email] 
> > writes:
>
> >>I'm not top posting
> >
> > Hi Squad,
> >
> > When many grace notes, staves are miss aligned:
> >
> > %%
> > \version "2.19.27"
> >
> > \transpose c c' {
> >   \repeat unfold 16 { e'8 a }
> >   R1*8
> > }
> >
> > \transpose c c' {
> >   \repeat unfold 16 { \grace dis'8 e' \grace gis8 a }
> >   R1*8
> > }
> > %%
>
> Huh?  That example demonstrates that measures with many grace notes in
> them will take more space than _independently_ typeset measures without
> the grace notes in them.
>
> Which is not surprising at all.  What is the misalignment you are
> talking about?

I think this is what he meant (first as separate scores, then in the 
same score):



The notes line up, but the second system doesn't break/compress like it 
should.

- Abraham


fbbigajb.png (87K) 





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Re: verkeert is wrong

2015-09-22 Thread James Lowe 
On 22/09/15 07:47, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
> 
> Where do I report translation errors?

translati...@lily.net is probably the best place. Simple documentation
edits can be made by some of the native speaking developers - in which
case I'd suggest an 'issue tracker',  but when it comes to these 'po'
files, I understand that one shouldn't edit them directly (I could be
wrong but I don't do translations).

> 
> Please in nl.po:3700 replace "verkeert" by "verkeerd"
> 
> verkeert is wrong.
> wrong is verkeerd :-)
> 


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Re: verkeert is wrong

2015-09-22 Thread Federico Bruni 
It's the program po file which is handled by the Translation Project. 
Only the person in charge for the dutch language can send updates to 
the TP robot, see:

http://translationproject.org/domain/lilypond.html

Benno, can you fix this error (see below) and send it to the robot?

Il giorno mar 22 set 2015 alle 10:50, James Lowe  ha 
scritto:

On 22/09/15 07:47, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:


 Where do I report translation errors?


translati...@lily.net is probably the best place. Simple documentation
edits can be made by some of the native speaking developers - in which
case I'd suggest an 'issue tracker',  but when it comes to these 'po'
files, I understand that one shouldn't edit them directly (I could be
wrong but I don't do translations).



 Please in nl.po:3700 replace "verkeert" by "verkeerd"

 verkeert is wrong.
 wrong is verkeerd :-)




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Re: verkeert is wrong

2015-09-22 Thread James Lowe 
On 22/09/15 10:24, Federico Bruni wrote:
> It's the program po file which is handled by the Translation Project.
> Only the person in charge for the dutch language can send updates to the
> TP robot, see:
> http://translationproject.org/domain/lilypond.html

I notice that we're missing Hungarian in this list ('hu') and that many
of these translations are not built by make doc (whereas 'hu' is).

Again I don't pretend to understand how this is organized.

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Re: verkeert is wrong

2015-09-22 Thread Federico Bruni 
Il giorno mar 22 set 2015 alle 11:47, James Lowe  ha 
scritto:

On 22/09/15 10:24, Federico Bruni wrote:
 It's the program po file which is handled by the Translation 
Project.
 Only the person in charge for the dutch language can send updates 
to the

 TP robot, see:
 http://translationproject.org/domain/lilypond.html


I notice that we're missing Hungarian in this list ('hu') and that 
many

of these translations are not built by make doc (whereas 'hu' is).


It's the translation of the lilypond program, not of the documentation.
Some translators decided to contribute only to the program translation, 
others only to the documentation translation.





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Grace notes and staff miss-alignment

2015-09-22 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider 
>I'm not top posting

Hi Squad,

When many grace notes, staves are miss aligned:

%%
\version "2.19.27"

\transpose c c' {
  \repeat unfold 16 { e'8 a }
  R1*8
}

\transpose c c' {
  \repeat unfold 16 { \grace dis'8 e' \grace gis8 a }
  R1*8
}
%%

Cheers,
Pierre
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