Re: [bug] (un)escaping problem in the makefile database output

2007-06-04 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 11:19 +0800, Agent Zhang wrote:
 Or is it indeed intentional by design and the database is not supposed
 to be in strictly-valid makefile notation anyway? I'm not sure, so I
 think it may be wise to ask here first before firing off a bug report
 to Savannah.

It's certainly not intentionally one way or the other: the output from
-p is intended as a debugging tool for users.  I don't believe it was
ever intended to be used as valid makefile input into another program
(or even back into GNU make itself).  And there's certainly no intent to
make it an _invalid_ makefile either.  I expect the lack of quoting for
the # is nothing more or less than oversight or laziness (and I mean
laziness in the good, Larry Wall way :-)).

Feel free to file an enhancement request on Savannah to have this
addressed.

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My website...

2007-05-21 Thread Paul Smith
Is currently unavailable due to a difference of opinion with my ISP as
to whether I've already given them their money or not :-/.

Hopefully this will be resolved shortly and the site will be back up
again.

Sorry for the inconvenience *sigh*.

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Re: gnu make problem

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 11:17 +0530, chandan wrote:
 I am trying to build Microsoft visual c++ programs at the command line
 using GNU MAKE. The msdn library says that If you have a project that
 you build from the command line with a make file, then the Visual
 Studio development environment will not recognize your project. This
 is because visual studio has its own MAKEFILE PROJECT WIZARD. Isn’t
 there any way to build it at the command line using gnu make? If yes,
 please brief me about it. I have been able to build turbo c++ programs
 using gnu make very easily. I am using make-3.75 version. 

 I would be really very grateful if you can help me in this regard.

Please choose only ONE of the mailing lists to ask your question.  It's
annoying to spam all the lists with the same question.

If your question is only relevant on a Windows platform (as this one is)
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Thanks.

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Re: Make fails on glibc build

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 10:16 +0200, Alexander Kahl wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I was building glibc today and make (newest cvs version) failed with
 
 make: file.c:147: enter_file: Assertion `*name != '\0'' failed.
 make: *** [all] Aborted

Interesting.  Of course, the CVS versions of GNU make are not production
ready, but I'd like to reproduce this bug.  Please provide more
information, such as the version of glibc you're trying to build, the OS
type/version you're building on, what configure commands you used, etc.

If you'd be willing, you could also run make under the debugger and get
a stack trace where the assert is taken.

Thanks!

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Re: $(and) and $(or) not working

2007-05-16 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 11:21 -0400, Noel Yap wrote:
 I'm using the following:
 
 yapn:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/proj/aoeu make --version
 GNU Make 3.81beta4

I've seen a number of messages stating that people are using 3.81beta4;
why are people still using a beta version over a year after the final
version was released (3.81 was released on 01 Apr 2006)?  Did it get
shipped with some distribution or software package?  If so you should
file a bug and request an update to the released version.

Anyway, as others have pointed out, the and and or functions weren't
implemented in beta4.


PS. Please choose one of bug-make or help-make, but not both.  Cheers!

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Re: 33 make check failures on Ubuntu Linux

2007-05-11 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 15:22 +0100, Jon Grant wrote:
 Could this message below be updated to remind that make update is 
 needed to download the po files?

That message is generated from the standard gettext build environment,
that is provided by the gettext package.  It's not part of the GNU make
source at all.  And, of course, we can't add it into gettext because the
make update step is make specific (well, some other tools use this
method as well but it's not standard).


But if you follow the directions in the README.cvs file, you should not
have any problems...

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Re: Build warnings in CVS make 3.81.90

2007-05-11 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 15:26 +0100, Jon Grant wrote:

 A wider query relating to these warnings is that since make 3.81 is 
 released now, could we change make to use const's instead of #define'd 
 values, and inline functions instead of #define macro expressions?

No... well, at least not inline.  While I have made the decision to no
longer support pre-ANSI, KR-only compilers as of 3.82, I'm still
requiring ANSI C89 clean code, and inline is not valid C89.

Const integers are legal of course, but I don't know that they really
add much clarity.

 file.c: In function 'file_timestamp_cons':
 file.c:765: warning: comparison of unsigned expression  0 is always false
 file.c:766: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
 file.c:766: warning: comparison of unsigned expression  0 is always false
 file.c:769: warning: comparison of unsigned expression  0 is always false

I haven't looked at these in a while, but the last time I looked this
warning was actually an integral part of the implementation of these
macros.  In other words, if you fixed the warnings the macros wouldn't
work as designed anymore.  You might look in the ChangeLog.  Paul Eggert
provided these macros so we'd need to discuss any changes with him.

 function.c: In function 'func_lastword':
 function.c:696: warning: 'p' may be used uninitialized in this function

Oops, that's a bug.  Fixed.

 function.c: In function 'func_shell':
 function.c:1597: warning: variable 'error_prefix' might be clobbered by 
 'longjmp' or 'vfork'
 function.c:1589: warning: argument 'o' might be clobbered by 'longjmp' 
 or 'vfork'

These have been around forever and I don't know how to fix them.  If you
do, please let me know.

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Re: 33 make check failures on Ubuntu Linux

2007-04-25 Thread Paul Smith
On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 14:49 +0100, Jon Grant wrote:
 I just ran make check and got 33 failures. I'm running make 3.81, on a
 6 month old Ubuntu Linux install.
 
 They are all the same issue, the extra space. Not sure where the extra
 space comes from, is anyone else seeing this?

Please be sure that your LC_ALL and/or LANG variables are set to C
before running make check.  I thought that I had modified this inside
the Perl scripts that drive the tests, but apparently I didn't get it
right; there was a bug report about it (this has been fixed in CVS now
though).

If that fixes the problem, I'm interested to see what locale you were
using before... it seems odd to me that someone would make a translation
that changes the string .  Stop. to . Stop. (if you look at the
fatal() function in misc.c you'll see where this string comes from).

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Re: make 3.80 works, make 3.81 only works with SHELL=

2007-04-25 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 23:05 -0400, Marty Leisner wrote:
 There's a line 
 SHELL=/bin/sh
 in the makefile...

This is illegal.

Make is not the shell; it does not strip quotes like the shell does.
Quoting is not harmless in make.  These two variables:

FOO = A
BAR = A

are very different; FOO is set to the single character string A, while
BAR is set to the three character string A.

For SHELL, if you set it to /bin/sh then make will invoke /bin/sh to run
commands, which will work.  If you set SHELL to /bin/sh, then make
will try to invoke the command /bin/sh (including the quotes), which
of course doesn't exist.

Now, in reality neither make 3.80 or 3.81 does precisely the right thing
here; however, 3.81 is closer to what should happen: the command should
fail to run at all unless you have created the program /bin/sh on your
system (including the quotes).

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Re: Possible bug with make 3.81 beta 4

2007-04-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 15:57 +0200, Oriol Franquesa Cortés wrote:

 Makefile archive runs on version 3.80 but not in 3.1 beta4 version. I
 think that is a possible bug.

You should try the released version of GNU make 3.81.  It was released
over a year ago so there is no reason to be using a beta version any
longer.

 I send you all project because you can fix better the possible fix.

I'm sorry but we can't debug complete build systems on this list.  If
you're having a problem you must provide a description of the problem,
along with at least the command line you entered and the error message
you received, plus, if possible, a small makefile that reproduces the
problem.

You should also examine the NEWS file that comes with GNU make; any
known backward compatibility issues will be listed there.  Make sure
your makefile is not being affected by one of those.

Alternatively, you might contact a mailing list or help forum for the
zeos project and see if they have any thoughts about it.

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Re: make + cmake = test failure

2007-03-22 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 16:17 -0500, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
 Any guesses?

No guesses here.  I can't think of any changes in make 3.81, offhand,
that would impact the environment used by the child process.


I think before we can debug this we need you or someone to examine the
cmake failure and try to figure out what is causing it.  If we had some
idea of what that test is testing and why it's not working we might be
able to understand what is different.


You can also try things like: running the test under strace in both
success and failure modes; printing the environment when you run the
test in both success and failure modes; etc. to try to figure out what
might be different.

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Re: @file response file support for make

2007-03-19 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 15:36 +, Joseph S. Myers wrote:
 Now done.

Great; thanks!

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Re: @file response file support for make

2007-03-18 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 20:49 +, Joseph S. Myers wrote:

 There is a de facto standard solution to this problem, which is that a 
 command line argument of the form @file causes arguments to be read from 
 file (a response file) if it exists.  (If file doesn't exist, 
 @file is taken literally as an ordinary command-line argument.)  This 
 feature is supported by GCC and GNU binutils, for example; I think it 
 originated on Windows, but it is useful everywhere with any command line 
 limit.

This seems like a very useful additional feature.

Can you please add this patch to the Savannah project for GNU make, so
we don't lose track of it?

https://savannah.gnu.org/patch/?func=additemgroup=make

Thanks for your work on this!

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Re: False warning about a circular dependency

2007-03-06 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 18:41 +0100, Johannes Hölzl wrote:

 VPATH := ../dir/
 all: a
 .SECONDARY:
 a: b b
 @echo compile
 ../dir/b:

 $ mkdir ../dir
 $ touch ../dir/b
 $ make -f test.make
 make: Circular a - b dependency dropped.
 compile
 
 Of course a depends on b, but why depends b on a?
 When only one b is on the a line, the message isn't shown,
 when the .SECONDARY: is missing it isn't shown and when
 the b file is placed under ./dir the message is also not shown.

I can confirm this on my Linux box.  It's even stranger if you look at
the debug output, since make appears to try to build b right after it
considers all, without first considering a (according to the
output).

Please file a bug against GNU make at the Savannah project site so we
can track this issue:

https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/make/

If you don't have a Savannah account and you file this bug anonymously,
be sure to add yourself to the CC list so you'll get updated when a fix
is available.

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Re: not linking when using -j option

2007-03-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 12:39 +0100, Depner, Simon wrote:

 when im using this command: make -j 7 BUILD_SPEC=PPC32gnu
 DEBUG_MODE=1 TRACE=1 clean all the make is not linking, so diden't
 get any out-files.

Sorry, but there's not nearly enough information here to allow us to
help you.

Further, this mailing list is for bugs in the make program; it seems
to me that there's probably something wrong with your makefile or
environment, rather than a bug in make.

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Re: build breaks

2007-02-28 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 07:36 +, Guyeng Gankhuyag wrote:
 the build breaks whenever I include the ext2_fs.h header into C file
 as simple as following:

This mailing list is for bugs in the GNU make program.  Your problem has
nothing to do with GNU make, so it's not appropriate for this mailing
list.

You need to find a mailing list or forum related to Linux programming to
answer your question.


One short answer is that the headers in the linux/* and asm/*
directories are kernel headers and are not intended to be included
directly into user-space programs, except in very controlled ways.

 I really believe what you guys do is a crap.

Well, I guess we're even then since I really believe that your attitude
is a crap.  Good luck finding help.

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Re: multi-line commands with quoted SHELL

2007-02-25 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 19:00 +0100, Petr Machata wrote:

 There is a bug tracked in Red Hat bugzilla
   http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=219409
 
 The problem is best demonstrated by this Makefile snippet:
 
 all:;@echo e\
   cho
 
 With this make invocation, it works as intended:
 
 $ make 'SHELL=/bin/sh'
 echo
 
 But when the SHELL variable contains quotes, it fails:
 
 $ make 'SHELL=/bin/sh'
 e
 /bin/sh: line 1: cho: command not found
 make: *** [all] Error 127
 
 The problem is that when SHELL contains quotations etc., /bin/sh is 
 invoked, and whole command is passed through that.  But the outer shell 
 then destroys the backslash-newline sequences.  The solution is to 
 singly-quote these.  The attached patch against make 3.81 does this.

Hm.  Personally I think this is an error and should not be handled, even
as it is currently handled.

If the user sets:

SHELL = /bin/sh

in my opinion make should try to invoke the program
'/bin/sh' (including the quotes).  Having a quoted value of SHELL
invoked using /bin/sh -c (with another level of indirectness) is, in
my opinion, wrong.

I can only assume this behavior of trying to manage quotes in the value
of SHELL is due to some bizarre behavior of some long-forgotten make
that GNU make tried to duplicate.

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Re: glibc build process slowness

2007-02-25 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 20:15 +, Mark Seaborn wrote:

 I profiled make.  It's spending around 60% of the time in
 new_pattern_rule(), which does a linear search through the list of
 pattern rules to check for duplicate rules.  glibc generates ~2500
 rules (in sysd-rules).

Holy moly!  How in the world do you get that many pattern rules?!?!  The
point of pattern rules is that they represent an entire class of
targets, which means you typically would have orders of magnitude fewer
pattern rules than you have targets.

I don't have anything against making this more efficient, I'm just...
surprised.

 I was considering refactoring this properly, but the current
 new_pattern_rule() doesn't look quite right.  The comment says it
 looks for an identical rule.  The actual test is
 
   the old rule has 1 target (or multiple identical targets)
   and
   there exists a target in the new rule the same as the old rule's target

I agree that this doesn't seem correct.

I got your set of patches, and I'll take a look.  Thanks!

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Re: GNU MAKE

2007-02-10 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 20:15 -0800, suresh babu wrote:

 I am interested to do development required for GNU make.  Can you give
 me the details what should I do?

Hi Suresh.

There are many outstanding issues but nothing jumps out at me at the
moment.  I'm currently working on two things: memory usage in make (as
more inclusive make systems are developed, this is becoming more of an
issue), and integration with Guile as a scripting language.  I'm also
doing some work with controlling output of make (verbosity levels,
debugging, etc.)

You can try looking through the Savannah site at the bugs and support
requests, etc. there and see if anything strikes you as interesting to
work on.

One thing that would be nice is for someone to put some love into the
test suite; not even so much writing new tests as fixing the
infrastructure of the test suite itself.  I don't know if you're a Perl
person or not but that's an opportunity (or integrating with some other
existing test infrastructure, I don't know).

If you pick something let me know so we don't get duplicate efforts.


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RE: Parallel Jobs Bug

2007-01-28 Thread Paul Smith
On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 13:27 -0800, Bill Harding wrote:
 In regards to Paul's earlier questions about the version and
 distribution of my make, it is a Cygwin version of make running on
 Windows XP.  Specifically, if I access my make's help it says Program
 built for i686-pc-cygwin.  The version of make is GNU Make 3.80.  

The Cygwin version of GNU make 3.80 (and below) have some special
customizations that aren't part of vanilla GNU make 3.80.  I suggest you
continue to work with the folks on the Cygwin mailing list to try to
resolve this issue.  I do find it odd that the errors seemed to suggest
you were running cmd.exe, if you're using a Cygwin environment.
However, the folks on the Cygwin lists will be better able to advise
you.

Starting with GNU make 3.81, the cygwin port is supported natively and
doesn't involve any extra code modifications (as far as I know).  If you
still have problems with that version then we may be able to help.

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Re: Inconsistent behaviour when building in parallel

2007-01-21 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 22:22 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

  In the parallel case, make does exactly the same thing EXCEPT that
  instead of waiting for the first command to complete it immediately
  checks the second target and, since the first command is not done yet
  and hasn't updated it, make sees that it's still out of date so it runs
  that rule again to update it.
 
 So the left hand doesn't know what the right hand does? I consider this a bad 
 thing.

I do too, and so does make: that's why you shouldn't do it.  After all,
make cannot know what the commands you give it will REALLY do, it can
only assume that they will do what you've told it they will do: namely,
update the target file.

However, in your makefile your commands don't just update the target
file that you told make they would, they also update some OTHER target
files that you didn't tell make about.  So, make doesn't expect the
commands to update those target files.

In this case, the two hands you refer to are your commands that you
wrote and added to your makefile, so you can hardly blame make for what
they may be doing behind each others' backs.

  In the parallel case you can't tell exactly what will happen: it depends
  on your system; how busy it is, what order the various jobs are
  scheduled by the OS, how long the command takes to execute, etc.  It
  could work perfectly, or it could be run twice, or more times (if there
  are more than two targets).
 
 That's even worse.

Perhaps, but as Eli points out this is a feature of the operating system
and is completely out of make's control.  When you run multiple commands
in parallel on a multitasking system, you cannot control the order in
which they are executed.  That's the entire point: if they always ran in
a fixed order then they wouldn't be parallelized, would they?

As Eli says, if you want serialized command execution it's trivial to
get from make: just don't enable parallel builds.

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Re: Inconsistent behaviour when building in parallel

2007-01-20 Thread Paul Smith
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 20:01 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

 I'm using GNU make 3.81 (on Linux, if this is important) and see strange 
 behaviour in parallel builds with the following Makefile:
 
 file1.txt file2.txt: file.in
   cat $ file1.txt|tee file2.txt
 
 test: file1.txt file2.txt
   cat $^ $@
 
 In a normal build, make does the right thing:
 
 % make test
 cat file.in file1.txt|tee file2.txt
 cat file1.txt file2.txt test
 
 In case of a parallel build, the cat ... | tee ... command for file[12].txt 
 is executed twice, which should not happen:
 
 % make -j 2 test
 cat file.in file1.txt|tee file2.txt
 cat file.in file1.txt|tee file2.txt
 cat file1.txt file2.txt test

Make is behaving correctly here.  Multiple targets in a single rule does
not mean all these targets are built from one invocation of the rule.
It means that each of these targets has the same prerequisites and rule,
and will be built one at a time by running the rule.  IOW, this:

a b c : d e f ; command

is identical to writing this:

a : d e f ; command
b : d e f ; command
c : d e f ; command

See the GNU make manual for details.

You can use pattern rules:

%1.txt %2.txt : %.in
...

which do work as you expect.  Or you have to use a sentinel file.

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Re: Inconsistent behaviour when building in parallel

2007-01-20 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 17:35 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

 So if make behaves correctly in the parallel case, does this mean that the 
 non-parallel case is wrong?

??

No, both are correct.

In the non-parallel case, make examines the first target and its
prerequisites and sees that it needs to be rebuilt, so it runs the rule.
The rule updates the first target and also updates the other targets.

Next make looks at the second target and its prerequisites and sees that
it does NOT need to be rebuilt (because it is newer than all the
prerequisites, since it was just updated).  So it's not rebuilt.  Etc.

In the parallel case, make does exactly the same thing EXCEPT that
instead of waiting for the first command to complete it immediately
checks the second target and, since the first command is not done yet
and hasn't updated it, make sees that it's still out of date so it runs
that rule again to update it.

In the parallel case you can't tell exactly what will happen: it depends
on your system; how busy it is, what order the various jobs are
scheduled by the OS, how long the command takes to execute, etc.  It
could work perfectly, or it could be run twice, or more times (if there
are more than two targets).

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Re: EAGAIN in read jobs pipe

2007-01-10 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 01:53 -0800, Howard Chu wrote:

 An essential design choice. This stuff relies on reads and writes of the 
 job_fd being atomic and the writes never blocking. POSIX guarantees a 4K 
 buffer for pipes. Perhaps the code should check the resource limit and 
 complain if the -j argument exceeds the resource limit: Error: why 
 don't you just use '-j' ??

Yes, that's a good idea.  I will add some error checking to the code
that initially seeds the pipe with tokens.

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Re: EAGAIN in read jobs pipe

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 10:32 +, James Coleman wrote:
 Ken Takusagawa wrote:
  For reasons I haven't completely triaged yet, I've been having my
  parallel makes die with
  read jobs pipe: Resource temporarily unavailable.  Stop.
 
 All memory on machine might be used up (real memory + all swap).

I don't think this can be the case.  In a standard POSIX system a buffer
is allocated to the pipe when it's created.  There's no need to get more
memory when writing to or reading from the pipe.  Further, GNU make
simply writes one byte to the pipe for each possible job, so as long as
you're not using -j65536 or something silly like that it's unlikely to
be a problem.

Really, I can't think of why you might get that error on a pipe.  In
fact, according to the POSIX spec the ONLY time you're allowed to get
EAGAIN from a read(2) are:

  The O_NONBLOCK flag is set for the file descriptor and the thread would be 
delayed.

Since we are not setting O_NONBLOCK on the pipe FD, it should not be
possible (according to POSIX) to get back EAGAIN.

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Re: jobserver_fds-list buffer overflow

2007-01-08 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 22:26 -0500, Ken Takusagawa wrote:
 In main.c we have
 
   jobserver_fds-list[0] = xmalloc ((sizeof (1024)*2)+1);
 
   sprintf (jobserver_fds-list[0], %d,%d, job_fds[0], job_fds[1]);
 
 Shouldn't xmalloc get a +2 instead of +1?  1 for the comma, and
 one for the null terminator?

sizeof(1024) is 5 (the sizeof() a constant string includes the \0
terminator).  I'm not sure why we add one, to be honest.  Just being
extra safe I guess.

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Re: getting warmer error messages

2006-12-28 Thread Paul Smith
I can only assume you're trying to prove a point by making this bug
report virtually unintelligible, with no concrete suggestions for
improvement.  Well played.  Unfortunately for your point, there's a good
reason for make's behavior.

Pattern rules only match if make can successfully create all the
prerequisites in the rule.  If one or more cannot be created, then the
pattern rule does not match.

If no pattern rule matches for a given target (and no explicit rules
exist for it), then make can't figure out how to build that target and
so it fails with a message saying that target cannot be built.

What else should it do?  For any given target there are usually many
possible pattern rules which it MIGHT match, if it could build the
prerequisites.  The default pattern rules, by themselves, provide a
number of ways of building any file, and a multitude of ways to build
some types of file.

I don't believe it would be useful for make to print a list of potential
targets that, if they could be built, would allow the target you asked
for to be built.

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Re: tkConfig

2006-12-28 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 23:43 -0500, Shannon Coffey wrote:
  I am attempting to compile GCL on a Macintosh. 

This list is for bugs with the GNU make program itself.  If you're
having problems building some particular software you should find a
mailing list dedicated to that software and ask there for help building
it.

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Re: Problem with CURDIR variable

2006-12-11 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 15:36 +0100, Sombat Ketrat wrote:

 the error msg. is
 ---
 GNUmakefile:3: *** Sorry, your version of GNU make (3.81) is too old.
 You need one that defines the CURDIR variable.  Stop.
 ---

 ifneq (default,$(origin CURDIR))
 $(error Sorry, your version of GNU make ($(MAKE_VERSION)) is too old.
 You need one that defines the CURDIR variable)

 Is it the problem with version of the make (make v.3.8.1-23)?
 Do you have any idea how to overcome the problem?

In GNU make 3.81, the origin of the CURDIR variable was changed from
default to file (this was so that an environment variable CURDIR
wouldn't override the value make set).

This test is kind of strange.  Unless there's some specific reason the
makefile REQUIRES the CURDIR variable to be set by make, it should be
rewritten:

ifndef CURDIR
$(error Please define the CURDIR variable (or use a newer version of GNU make))
endif

Please contact the developers of the molpro software and notify them of
this issue.  If you don't want to change the makefile you'll have to
find an older version of GNU make (3.80 would be OK) and use that
instead.

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Re: Problem with CURDIR variable

2006-12-11 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 06:29 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

 But this test could be defeated if CURDIR was defined in the
 environment, right?  If so, the test should make sure CURDIR doesn't
 come from the environment.

I was assuming that if it was defined, someone set it.  But I guess
you're right; it could just be set in the environment, to something
that's incorrect.  They should probably check it to be extra-safe.

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Re: problems with Net-PCap

2006-12-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 00:35 +0100, sofia wrote:

 I'm trying to install the packages Net-Pcap0.14 but it's impossible to
 do make,it reports:
 
 /usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libpcap.a(pcap-linux.o): no se puede usar la
 reubicación R_X86_64_32 contra `a local symbol' cuando se hace un objeto
 compartido; recompile con -fPIC
 /usr/local/lib/libpcap.a: no se puede leer símbolos: Valor erróneo
 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
 make: *** [blib/arch/auto/Net/Pcap/Pcap.so] Error 1

 Could you please answer me??

Hi Sofía;

This mailing list is for questions about and problems with GNU make
itself.  Your issue above it not related to make; rather it's something
wrong with the package you're trying to build or perhaps you're missing
something that should be installed on your system.

Either way, you need to ask this question on a list or in a group that
knows about how to build net-pcap; they should be able to provide more
help.

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Re: [Fwd: Slack11.0 /usr/bin/make incompatible with LPRng-3.8.28 Makefile.in]

2006-12-04 Thread Paul Smith
On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 13:08 -0800, david baker wrote:

 I'm forwarding a note I sent to Karl Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] which he 
 advised to be sent to you.  Additionally I am attaching screen shots of 
 the actions I took and published on linuxquestions.org and the 
 Makefile.in from LPRng-3.8.28. The GNU Make version which fails is 
 3.81.  The GNU Make version which works is 3.80.

David: thanks for sending me the extra info.  In the future please
remember to CC the mailing list rather than sending things to me
directly.

The problem is that the LPRng makefile (or Makefile.in as the case may
be) is incorrect.  In particular, this line is very, very wrong:

  SHELL=/bin/sh

The SHELL make variable is special to make, in that it specifies what
program make will invoke to run the commands you provide in your rules.
Also, make is not a shell, and make variable syntax is not identical to
shell variable syntax.  In particular, make variable values do NOT have
quotes expanded.

The above line, with the quotes, tells make that the shell it should
invoke is the literal string /bin/sh (with quotes).  That string does
not look to make like a normal Bourne shell name, so make doesn't
recognize it as such and tries to do something fairly bizarre.  I
suspect there may be a bug related to this, or at least unexpected
behavior.

Nevertheless, the above is quite wrong.  In general you shouldn't set
SHELL at all, but if you must then your Makefile.in should say merely:

  SHELL = /bin/sh

(no quotes).

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Re: [Fwd: Slack11.0 /usr/bin/make incompatible with LPRng-3.8.28 Makefile.in]

2006-12-03 Thread Paul Smith
On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 13:08 -0800, david baker wrote:

 I'm forwarding a note I sent to Karl Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] which he 
 advised to be sent to you.  Additionally I am attaching screen shots of 
 the actions I took and published on linuxquestions.org and the 
 Makefile.in from LPRng-3.8.28. The GNU Make version which fails is 
 3.81.  The GNU Make version which works is 3.80.

Thanks for the report.  It would be much more useful if you included the
Makefile, not the Makefile.in, since make is actually using the
Makefile.

I cannot reproduce your problem on my system: I don't get a syntax error
when I massage the Makefile.in you included.

If you run make clean do you get the same error?

If so, please run make -n clean and cut and paste that as well (or
redirect to a file and attach it to the email).  I'd like to see exactly
what the shell invocation looks like that gets an error.

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Re: can't get far if file has difficult name

2006-11-30 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 22:51 +, Jon Grant wrote:
 Martin Dorey elucidated on 30/11/06 21:32:
  Isn't this more relevant?  (Quoting from here on.)
 
 Yeah, Looking at it again I can see that's likely the problem.

I might need to reopen that bug; there definitely was a change in
behavior WRT filenames containing spaces between 3.80 and 3.81.  I need
to look at it to see what's going on.

I'd be interested to see the same test with odd characters but not
whitespace.  As far as I know, GNU make is UTF-8 compatible.  But I know
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RE: can't get far if file has difficult name

2006-11-30 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 16:52 -0800, Martin Dorey wrote:

 Works for me if I remove the two close-parentheses and replace the white
 space with underscores.  Open-parenthesis fine, close-parenthesis bad.
 Weird.  Close-parenthesis is also bad with Debian sarge's make-3.80.

I suspect that has to do with the shell.  Although () are not special to
make, they are special to the shell, and make's builtin rules don't
quote their filename arguments (and neither did Dan's example).

You didn't specify what errors you got when you had the parens in there,
but in my tests if I have them (unquoted) I get an error from the shell,
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Re: [bug #18396] stack size setrlimit call interacts badly with Solaris/x86 kernel bug

2006-11-29 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 13:22 +, Jon Grant wrote:

  Finally, there is no way to detect an out of stack error and exit gracefully
  with a warning as you suggest: the behavior of alloca() is undefined if you
  run out of stack space (it doesn't just return NULL as malloc() etc. do).

 Is it undefined in actuality though? Has anyone checked if NULL does get
 returned from any implementations?

From the standpoint of GNU make it doesn't matter all that much what
some implementations do.  In order to be portable it must assume the
lowest common denominator.

 My view would be that on modern computers switching to allocate from the
 heap wouldn't make a big difference if it were changed. Modern heaps
 have pools for small allocations to stop them fragmenting larger
 allocations anyway. Someone would need to do a compressive test to know
 for sure, these things often have knock on effects.. I've seen massive
 slowdowns when someone switched malloc() to calloc() on MS-Windows!

Well, yes, but changing from malloc() to calloc() actually has a
significant difference: in the latter all the memory you've allocated
needs to be zeroed out.  That can have all kinds of implications even
beyond the obvious need to walk all the bytes in each allocation, in
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RE: [bug #18396] stack size setrlimit call interacts badly with Solaris/x86 kernel bug

2006-11-28 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 18:45 -0800, Martin Dorey wrote:
  Using heap, which requires a system call to get more memory
 
 (It doesn't affect the main point of Paul's reply but just for academic
 interest) no it doesn't:

 Even in less contrived applications, brk isn't called anything like as
 often as malloc.

Certainly that's true... I didn't mean to suggest every call to malloc()
resulted in a system call.  But using the heap DOES require a system
call to get memory... obviously the C runtime will grab memory in much
larger chunks and maintains a free pool, with algorithms to handle
fragmentation and coalescing of free blocks, etc.  There are whole
dissertations written on the most efficient ways to manage heap :).

But (as I'm sure we both agree) alloca() is unquestionably more
efficient (assuming you have an appropriate amount of stack).


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Re: plzzzzzzzzzz help

2006-11-28 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 03:48 -0800, rocky john wrote:
 I am amateur at linux .i am trying to install nagios-2.6.i
 went through documentations after executing commands
   make install -commandmode
   make install -config
 I got this problem :This program built for i386-redhat-linux-gnu..
   My pc is i386 packages compatible..help me out

As someone else pointed out, you should be asking for help in the nagios
lists.

May I suggest that when you ask them, you provide many more details
including the exact command you entered, the precise hardware and
operating system type and version you're using, the exact errors you got
(cut and paste please) including a useful number of lines of context
before the error.

And most important: please use a subject line that is relevant and
coherent!

These days, spam is a huge percentage of all email and the open source
mailing lists are no exception.  In order to allow anyone to report
problems and ask for help many OSS mailing lists don't require you to
subscribe before posting... that means that someone has to go through
and look through the spam to find the messages that should be forwarded
to the list.  Having a relevant subject that is immediately recognizable
as not spam, vs. one that is quite spam-like, greatly decreases the
chances of your email being unceremoniously dumped into the bit bucket
and makes life a lot easier for us poor saps who have to sort it all
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Re: SHELL -c hardwired

2006-11-06 Thread Paul Smith
On Monday, 6 November, Eli Zaretskii ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 As far as Make is concerned, I think you can say SHELL=mysql -e and
 have it your way, no?

No.  Make is hardcoded to add the -c option; every command make invokes is run
with $(SHELL) -c cmd.


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Re: [sbashford@mpc-data.co.uk: SHELL query/bug]

2002-12-03 Thread Paul Smith
%% Regarding [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: SHELL query/bug]; you wrote:

  sb I'm using make v3.78.1 under MS-Windows2k

  sb The problem I'm having is that it just doesn't seem to pick up the
  sb shell that I've specified in my environment variables.

  sb I've tried combinations of SHELL and MAKESHELL and always a
  sb different shell that's in my path gets executed.

  sb I have read the helpfile several times and feel sure that the
  sb SHELL variable is the one I need to set.

  sb Any suggestions?

1) Try a newer version of GNU make.  3.78 is kind of old.

2) For Windows-specific questions like this, try asking on the
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list instead; most of the more knowledgeable
   Windows vs. GNU make folks hang out there.

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Re: make-3.80: `eval' bug

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Smith
Hi;

After looking at the code I've determined that passing the o is not
sufficiently safe.  There are sections of the eval() function which call
variable_expand(), which will reset the variable_buffer setup.  So if
you put any of those in your expansion text you'll be sad.


So, I'm going with my original push/pop implementation.


I've also found another bug: if you use $(eval ...) inside a conditional
statement it fails!  Doh!  I'll fix this shortly.

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Whooops...

2002-09-10 Thread Paul Smith

My previous message should have given the URL as:

  ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/make/make-3.80rc2.tar.gz
  ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/make/make-3.80rc2.tar.bz2


not alpha.ftp.org.  Sums in my previous email are correct.  Sorry for
the confusion :(

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Re: pipe read hang on Win 2000 with make 3.79.1

2001-11-12 Thread Paul Smith


  X-Mailer: NIMS ModWeb Module

I don't know what this is, but it generates pretty seriously malformed
SMTP messages :-/.


Using the Win32 port of GNU make 3.79.1 on Windows 2000 with either the =
Cygwin shell, or the MKS sh.exe, or even the Windows cmd.exe I get a =
hang when running the following makefile:

  PKGDIR = $(shell echo this.is.a.test | sed 's:\.:/:g')

Your best bet is to ask on [EMAIL PROTECTED], but, did you try running
this directoy at the command line, without using make's shell function?

If that doesn't work, then it's not a make issue at all and you should
ask the Cygwin or even the MKS or Microsoft folks.

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