Re: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act

2017-07-27 Thread K5IZO via BVARC 
That is true EXCEPT after ARRL's initial attempt which was reasonable, the 
HOA's got wind of it and created a ruckus.  Then congress told both parties to 
come up with an agreement or there will be no action. That is when ARRL rolled 
over and completely capitulated to the HOAs and gave them EVERYTHING they 
wanted.  We would have been better if ARRL agreed to nothing and let it die. So 
yes, it might have been "the best they could agree to" BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 
BETTER TO NOT AGREE TO ANYTHING AND IT WOULD HAVE GONE AWAY.  
Did EVERYONE who is following this email trail read Pete's article in the 
October BVARC Newsletter?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2017, at 12:21 PM, JP Pritchard via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
> 
> The CEO of ARRL briefly addresses the "Parity" legislation in an article in 
> the July issue of QST. "Mythbusting: ARRL Not A Big Radio Club."  He says " 
> The act is the best we can get passed  after years of hard work by our 
> volunteer board members ... we have a seat at the table ... If you belong to 
> an HOA, read the contract you willingly signed."
> 
> JP
> K5JPP
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Keith Dutson via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I have talked to several ARRL members who are also lawyers in Texas.  One 
>> has the antenna enforcement job in his HOA.
>>  
>> All of these folks pretty much agree with John.
>>  
>> 73, Keith NM5G
>>  
>> From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] On Behalf Of John Chauvin via 
>> BVARC
>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 6:57 AM
>> To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org>
>> Cc: John Chauvin <k5...@yahoo.com>; ke5ith <ke...@ke5ith.com>; Rick Hiller 
>> <wn3...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators 
>> Supporting S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act
>>  
>> Keith, et al,
>>  
>> Indeed, this bill is a disaster and will certainly lead to the demise of 
>> amateur radio.
>> Do indeed see the article on Page 3 of the October BVARC Newsletter (on the 
>> BVARC website).
>>  
>> The ARRL started what was to be a good thing, but then capitulated to the 
>> HOAs on EVERY point and makes it impossible to get approval while exposing 
>> ourselves to the fact that we have unapproved antennas up, which will then 
>> makes anyone with such an antenna guilty of federal crime, when this bill 
>> inevitably becomes a federal law.
>>  
>> The ARRL doesn't have the balls to "man up" and admit that they screwed up.
>>  
>> On to fly fishing.
>>  
>> IZO
>> 
>> From: Rick Hiller via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
>> To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org> 
>> Cc: Rick Hiller <wn3...@gmail.com>; ke5ith <ke...@ke5ith.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 5:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators 
>> Supporting S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act
>>  
>> Keith,
>> Look at the BVARC newsletter October 2016.  Article by Pete KD5QPX.  Also 
>> many responses on the reflector but they are not available anymore on the 
>> archive.
>> ARRL thinks it is the greatest thing since the invention of coax.
>> You might talk to them too.
>> 73.Rick
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 2:48 AM, ke5ith via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I am sure many of you have seen this email from ARRL I would like to hear 
>> comments from others on their thoughts on this bill. 
>>  
>> If I understand the bill correctly it still gives HOAs final say to antenna 
>> installation. I don't like that personally. It also requires you to notify 
>> the HOA if you already have antennas up and get approval from the HOA in 
>> order to keep them. 
>>  
>> Keith
>> Ke5ith
>> Keep a song in your heart and a smile on your face. 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: "ARRL Web site" <memberl...@www.arrl.org>
>> Date: July 26, 2017 at 11:10:07 CDT
>> To: ke...@ke5ith.com
>> Subject: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the 
>> Amateur Radio Parity Act
>> 
>> Dear ARRL member,
>>  
>> I am writing to you today because we are at a crossroad in our efforts to 
>> obtain passage of The Amateur Radio Parity Act.
>>  
>> Our legislative efforts scored a major victory in our campaign when The 
>> Amateur Radio Parity Act, S. 1534 now moves to the Senate, where we need 
>> eve

Re: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act

2017-07-27 Thread JP Pritchard via BVARC 
The CEO of ARRL briefly addresses the "Parity" legislation in an article in the 
July issue of QST. "Mythbusting: ARRL Not A Big Radio Club."  He says " The act 
is the best we can get passed  after years of hard work by our volunteer board 
members ... we have a seat at the table ... If you belong to an HOA, read the 
contract you willingly signed."

JP
K5JPP

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Keith Dutson via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
> 
> I have talked to several ARRL members who are also lawyers in Texas.  One has 
> the antenna enforcement job in his HOA.
>  
> All of these folks pretty much agree with John.
>  
> 73, Keith NM5G
>  
> From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] On Behalf Of John Chauvin via 
> BVARC
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 6:57 AM
> To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org>
> Cc: John Chauvin <k5...@yahoo.com>; ke5ith <ke...@ke5ith.com>; Rick Hiller 
> <wn3...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting 
> S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act
>  
> Keith, et al,
>  
> Indeed, this bill is a disaster and will certainly lead to the demise of 
> amateur radio.
> Do indeed see the article on Page 3 of the October BVARC Newsletter (on the 
> BVARC website).
>  
> The ARRL started what was to be a good thing, but then capitulated to the 
> HOAs on EVERY point and makes it impossible to get approval while exposing 
> ourselves to the fact that we have unapproved antennas up, which will then 
> makes anyone with such an antenna guilty of federal crime, when this bill 
> inevitably becomes a federal law.
>  
> The ARRL doesn't have the balls to "man up" and admit that they screwed up.
>  
> On to fly fishing.
>  
> IZO
> 
> From: Rick Hiller via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
> To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org> 
> Cc: Rick Hiller <wn3...@gmail.com>; ke5ith <ke...@ke5ith.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 5:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting 
> S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act
>  
> Keith,
> Look at the BVARC newsletter October 2016.  Article by Pete KD5QPX.  Also 
> many responses on the reflector but they are not available anymore on the 
> archive.
> ARRL thinks it is the greatest thing since the invention of coax.
> You might talk to them too.
> 73.Rick
> 
> On Jul 27, 2017, at 2:48 AM, ke5ith via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
> 
> I am sure many of you have seen this email from ARRL I would like to hear 
> comments from others on their thoughts on this bill. 
>  
> If I understand the bill correctly it still gives HOAs final say to antenna 
> installation. I don't like that personally. It also requires you to notify 
> the HOA if you already have antennas up and get approval from the HOA in 
> order to keep them. 
>  
> Keith
> Ke5ith
> Keep a song in your heart and a smile on your face. 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "ARRL Web site" <memberl...@www.arrl.org>
> Date: July 26, 2017 at 11:10:07 CDT
> To: ke...@ke5ith.com
> Subject: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the 
> Amateur Radio Parity Act
> 
> Dear ARRL member,
>  
> I am writing to you today because we are at a crossroad in our efforts to 
> obtain passage of The Amateur Radio Parity Act.
>  
> Our legislative efforts scored a major victory in our campaign when The 
> Amateur Radio Parity Act, S. 1534 now moves to the Senate, where we need 
> every Senator to approve the bill.  This is the companion Bill to H.R. 555, 
> which passed in the House of Representatives in January.
>  
> You are one of over 730,000 licensed Amateur Radio Operators living in the 
> United States.  Many of you already live in deed-restricted communities, and 
> that number grows daily.
>  
> NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL HAMS TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS!
>  
> •   If you want to have effective outdoor antennas but are not currently 
> allowed to do so by your Home Owner’s Association, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!! 
>  
> •   If you already have outdoor antennas, but want to support your fellow 
> hams, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!!
>  
> •   If you want to preserve your ability to install effective outdoor 
> antennas on property that you own, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!!
>  
> We need you to reach out to your Senators TODAY!  Right away.
>  
> Help us in the effort.  Please go to this linked website and follow the 
> prompts:
>  
> https://arrl.rallycongress.net/ctas/urge-us-senate-to-support-amateur-radio-parity-act
>

Re: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act

2017-07-27 Thread mark janzer via BVARC 
Rather than using the ARRL language, on the fly, I rewrote their letter to 
this: (feel free to use or modify).

As a constituent and one of more than 51,544 FCC - licensedAmateur Radio 
Operators in the State of Texas, I am writing to ask that you do not support S. 
1534 in it's current form.It places undue burdens on the amateurs it seeks to 
protect.
The Bill does not balance the interests of all parties.  It ensures that 
community associations permiteffective outdoor antennas, but does not provide 
direction, achievabletechnical standards, or reasonable time limits on 
approval.  It does not define reasonable written rulesconcerning the 
installation, placement, and aesthetic impact of externalamateur service 
station antennas. It requires notification to the association and their 
priorapproval of antenna installations, so Amateurs will be required to 
removecurrent installations pending approval. The rights and responsibilities 
of community associations andassociation residents are so completely protected 
by the terms of this billthat it will set back Amateur radio rather than 
promote it.
I ask that you insist that S. 1534 be revised to clarify and define the 
approval process,standards and timeline before it leaves committee and before 
it goes to theSenate floor for a vote. Thank you for your consideration.


  From: ke5ith via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
 To: bvarc@bvarc.org 
Cc: ke5ith <ke...@ke5ith.com>
 Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 2:52 AM
 Subject: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 
1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act
   
I am sure many of you have seen this email from ARRL. I would like to hear 
comments from others on their thoughts on this bill. 
If I understand the bill correctly it still gives HOAs final say to antenna 
installation. I don't like that personally. It also requires you to notify the 
HOA if you already have antennas up and get approval from the HOA in order to 
keep them. 
KeithKe5ithKeep a song in your heart and a smile on your face. 
Begin forwarded message:


From: "ARRL Web site" <memberl...@www.arrl.org>
Date: July 26, 2017 at 11:10:07 CDT
To: ke...@ke5ith.com
Subject: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the 
Amateur Radio Parity Act



 Dear ARRL 
member, I am writing to you today because we are at a crossroad in our efforts 
to obtain passage of The Amateur Radio Parity Act.  Our legislative efforts 
scored a major victory in our campaign when The Amateur Radio Parity Act, S. 
1534 now moves to the Senate, where we need every Senator to approve the bill.  
This is the companion Bill to H.R. 555, which passed in the House of 
Representativesin January. You are one of over 730,000 licensed Amateur Radio 
Operators living in the United States.  Many of you already live in 
deed-restricted communities, and that number grows daily. NOW IS THE TIME FOR 
ALL HAMS TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS! •   If you want to have effective 
outdoor antennas but are not currently allowed to do so by your Home Owner’s 
Association, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!!   •   If you already have outdoor 
antennas, but want to support your fellow hams, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!! • 
  If you want to preserve your ability to install effective outdoor antennas on 
property that you own, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!! We need you to reach out to 
your Senators TODAY!  Right away. Help us in the effort.  Please go to this 
linked website and follow the prompts: 
https://arrl.rallycongress.net/ctas/urge-us-senate-to-support-amateur-radio-parity-act
  Thank you. 73,Rick- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Rick Roderick, 
K5URPresidentARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio® ABOUT THIS 
E-MAILThis e-mail was sent by ARRL, and contains timely information of 
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Re: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act

2017-07-27 Thread John Chauvin via BVARC 
Keith, et al,
Indeed, this bill is a disaster and will certainly lead to the demise of 
amateur radio.Do indeed see the article on Page 3 of the October BVARC 
Newsletter (on the BVARC website).
The ARRL started what was to be a good thing, but then capitulated to the HOAs 
on EVERY point and makes it impossible to get approval while exposing ourselves 
to the fact that we have unapproved antennas up, which will then makes anyone 
with such an antenna guilty of federal crime, when this bill inevitably becomes 
a federal law.
The ARRL doesn't have the balls to "man up" and admit that they screwed up.
On to fly fishing.
IZO

  From: Rick Hiller via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
 To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org> 
Cc: Rick Hiller <wn3...@gmail.com>; ke5ith <ke...@ke5ith.com>
 Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 5:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting 
S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act
   
Keith,Look at the BVARC newsletter October 2016.  Article by Pete KD5QPX.  Also 
many responses on the reflector but they are not available anymore on the 
archive.ARRL thinks it is the greatest thing since the invention of coax.You 
might talk to them too.73.Rick

On Jul 27, 2017, at 2:48 AM, ke5ith via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:



I am sure many of you have seen this email from ARRL. I would like to hear 
comments from others on their thoughts on this bill. 
If I understand the bill correctly it still gives HOAs final say to antenna 
installation. I don't like that personally. It also requires you to notify the 
HOA if you already have antennas up and get approval from the HOA in order to 
keep them. 
KeithKe5ithKeep a song in your heart and a smile on your face. 
Begin forwarded message:


From: "ARRL Web site" <memberl...@www.arrl.org>
Date: July 26, 2017 at 11:10:07 CDT
To: ke...@ke5ith.com
Subject: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the 
Amateur Radio Parity Act




#yiv4303792919 #yiv4303792919 -- .yiv4303792919EmailQuote 
{margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#80 2px solid;}#yiv4303792919 
Dear ARRL member, I am writing to you today because we are at a crossroad in 
our efforts to obtain passage of The Amateur Radio Parity Act.  Our legislative 
efforts scored a major victory in our campaign when The Amateur Radio Parity 
Act, S. 1534 now moves to the Senate, where we need every Senator to approve 
the bill.  This is the companion Bill to H.R. 555, which passed in the House of 
Representativesin January. You are one of over 730,000 licensed Amateur Radio 
Operators living in the United States.  Many of you already live in 
deed-restricted communities, and that number grows daily. NOW IS THE TIME FOR 
ALL HAMS TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS! •   If you want to have effective 
outdoor antennas but are not currently allowed to do so by your Home Owner’s 
Association, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!!   •   If you already have outdoor 
antennas, but want to support your fellow hams, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!! • 
  If you want to preserve your ability to install effective outdoor antennas on 
property that you own, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!! We need you to reach out to 
your Senators TODAY!  Right away. Help us in the effort.  Please go to this 
linked website and follow the prompts: 
https://arrl.rallycongress.net/ctas/urge-us-senate-to-support-amateur-radio-parity-act
  Thank you. 73,Rick- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Rick Roderick, 
K5URPresidentARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio® ABOUT THIS 
E-MAILThis e-mail was sent by ARRL, and contains timely information of 
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Re: [BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act

2017-07-27 Thread Rick Hiller via BVARC 
Keith,
Look at the BVARC newsletter October 2016.  Article by Pete KD5QPX.  Also many 
responses on the reflector but they are not available anymore on the archive.
ARRL thinks it is the greatest thing since the invention of coax.
You might talk to them too.
73.Rick

> On Jul 27, 2017, at 2:48 AM, ke5ith via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> I am sure many of you have seen this email from ARRL. I would like to hear 
> comments from others on their thoughts on this bill. 
> 
> If I understand the bill correctly it still gives HOAs final say to antenna 
> installation. I don't like that personally. It also requires you to notify 
> the HOA if you already have antennas up and get approval from the HOA in 
> order to keep them. 
> 
> Keith
> Ke5ith
> Keep a song in your heart and a smile on your face. 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "ARRL Web site" 
>> Date: July 26, 2017 at 11:10:07 CDT
>> To: ke...@ke5ith.com
>> Subject: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the 
>> Amateur Radio Parity Act
>> 
>> Dear ARRL member,
>>  
>> I am writing to you today because we are at a crossroad in our efforts to 
>> obtain passage of The Amateur Radio Parity Act.
>>  
>> Our legislative efforts scored a major victory in our campaign when The 
>> Amateur Radio Parity Act, S. 1534 now moves to the Senate, where we need 
>> every Senator to approve the bill.  This is the companion Bill to H.R. 555, 
>> which passed in the House of Representatives in January.
>>  
>> You are one of over 730,000 licensed Amateur Radio Operators living in the 
>> United States.  Many of you already live in deed-restricted communities, and 
>> that number grows daily.
>>  
>> NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL HAMS TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS!
>>  
>> •   If you want to have effective outdoor antennas but are not currently 
>> allowed to do so by your Home Owner’s Association, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!! 
>>  
>> •   If you already have outdoor antennas, but want to support your 
>> fellow hams, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!!
>>  
>> •   If you want to preserve your ability to install effective outdoor 
>> antennas on property that you own, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!!
>>  
>> We need you to reach out to your Senators TODAY!  Right away.
>>  
>> Help us in the effort.  Please go to this linked website and follow the 
>> prompts:
>>  
>> https://arrl.rallycongress.net/ctas/urge-us-senate-to-support-amateur-radio-parity-act
>>  
>>  
>> Thank you.
>>  
>> 73,
>> Rick
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> Rick Roderick, K5UR
>> President
>> ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®
>>  
>> ABOUT THIS E-MAIL
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[BVARC] Fwd: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the Amateur Radio Parity Act

2017-07-27 Thread ke5ith via BVARC 
I am sure many of you have seen this email from ARRL. I would like to hear 
comments from others on their thoughts on this bill. 

If I understand the bill correctly it still gives HOAs final say to antenna 
installation. I don't like that personally. It also requires you to notify the 
HOA if you already have antennas up and get approval from the HOA in order to 
keep them. 

Keith
Ke5ith
Keep a song in your heart and a smile on your face. 

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "ARRL Web site" 
> Date: July 26, 2017 at 11:10:07 CDT
> To: ke...@ke5ith.com
> Subject: ARRL Request to Contact Your US Senators Supporting S 1534 - the 
> Amateur Radio Parity Act
> 
> Dear ARRL member,
>  
> I am writing to you today because we are at a crossroad in our efforts to 
> obtain passage of The Amateur Radio Parity Act.
>  
> Our legislative efforts scored a major victory in our campaign when The 
> Amateur Radio Parity Act, S. 1534 now moves to the Senate, where we need 
> every Senator to approve the bill.  This is the companion Bill to H.R. 555, 
> which passed in the House of Representatives in January.
>  
> You are one of over 730,000 licensed Amateur Radio Operators living in the 
> United States.  Many of you already live in deed-restricted communities, and 
> that number grows daily.
>  
> NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL HAMS TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS!
>  
> •   If you want to have effective outdoor antennas but are not currently 
> allowed to do so by your Home Owner’s Association, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!! 
>  
> •   If you already have outdoor antennas, but want to support your fellow 
> hams, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!!
>  
> •   If you want to preserve your ability to install effective outdoor 
> antennas on property that you own, SEND THESE EMAILS TODAY!!
>  
> We need you to reach out to your Senators TODAY!  Right away.
>  
> Help us in the effort.  Please go to this linked website and follow the 
> prompts:
>  
> https://arrl.rallycongress.net/ctas/urge-us-senate-to-support-amateur-radio-parity-act
>  
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> 73,
> Rick
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Rick Roderick, K5UR
> President
> ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®
>  
> ABOUT THIS E-MAIL
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