Re: [Cake] Cake on elements of a bridge

2018-09-06 Thread Pete Heist
I happen to also be working on a bridge setup, but it’s different. For one, I used fq_codel on a transparent bridge for a couple years in production and it worked well, so I trust it also would for cake. But now, my neighbor will access the Internet through my CPE device, but they must have a

Re: [Cake] fq_codel_fast

2018-09-06 Thread Dave Taht
There was a very good paper or two (I think luca co-authored one) that showed that "active flows" were generally measured in the mid 200s in nearly any scenario. I agreed with that which was in part why I felt we could stick with 1024 queues, a direct mapped hash, and a couple collisions. cake

Re: [Cake] fq_codel_fast

2018-09-06 Thread Pete Heist
Interesting, sounds like a good data point for the ECN debate. I wonder if that pathology happens at lower flow counts. I’ve been getting into FreeNet’s backhaul. Four of their backhaul links, the orange lines in the following map, are licensed spectrum full-duplex 100Mbit wireless links (not

Re: [Cake] fq_codel_fast

2018-09-06 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, > On Sep 6, 2018, at 19:22, Dave Taht wrote: > > There was a very good paper or two (I think luca co-authored one) that > showed that "active flows" were generally measured in the mid 200s in > nearly any scenario. I agreed with that which was in part why I felt > we could stick >

[Cake] The new ecn-sane project and mailing list

2018-09-06 Thread Dave Taht
After clearing my plate for the past few months, I wanted to tackle something that keeps me awake at night. We just started an attempt to start taking a hard look at deployed ECN behaviors over the fq_codel, fq_pie, and fq_codel for wifi deployments:

Re: [Cake] apu2 sqm/htb issue + a minor win for speeding up fq_codel itself

2018-09-06 Thread Pete Heist
Cool, well I for one would like to see the APU be able to handle higher speeds, for FreeNet’s backhaul, at least. Although frankly, I’ve not definitively witnessed any significant bloat in their backhaul yet with production traffic. A good number of their routers are still ALIX

Re: [Cake] Cake on elements of a bridge

2018-09-06 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Pete Heist writes: > I happen to also be working on a bridge setup, but it’s different. For > one, I used fq_codel on a transparent bridge for a couple years in > production and it worked well, so I trust it also would for cake. > > But now, my neighbor will access the Internet through my CPE

Re: [Cake] fq_codel_fast

2018-09-06 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Pete Heist writes: >> On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> There was a very good paper or two (I think luca co-authored one) that >> showed that "active flows" were generally measured in the mid 200s in >> nearly any scenario. I agreed with that which was in part why I felt >> we

Re: [Cake] apu2 sqm/htb issue + a minor win for speeding up fq_codel itself

2018-09-06 Thread Dave Taht
I put a bug here. Someone with a non apu product struggling with shaping (edgerouter? omnia?) https://github.com/tohojo/sqm-scripts/issues/71 On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:51 AM Pete Heist wrote: > > Cool, well I for one would like to see the APU be able to handle higher > speeds, for FreeNet’s

Re: [Cake] fq_codel_fast

2018-09-06 Thread Dave Taht
re: conntrack - I think the udp standard for holding a hole punch open is 2-3 minutes. I've seen 30 sec or less in the field. On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM Pete Heist wrote: > > > > On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > There was a very good paper or two (I think luca

Re: [Cake] Cake on elements of a bridge

2018-09-06 Thread Pete Heist
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > > Pete Heist mailto:p...@heistp.net>> writes: > >> But now, my neighbor will access the Internet through my CPE device, >> but they must have a separate IP obtained through DHCP (i.e. a >> separate MAC address as well), and I want

Re: [Cake] fq_codel_fast

2018-09-06 Thread Pete Heist
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > There was a very good paper or two (I think luca co-authored one) that > showed that "active flows" were generally measured in the mid 200s in > nearly any scenario. I agreed with that which was in part why I felt > we could stick > with 1024

Re: [Cake] fq_codel_fast

2018-09-06 Thread Sebastian Moeller
That means that the conntrack numbers give an upper bound, no? Best Regards Sebastian > On Sep 6, 2018, at 20:40, Dave Taht wrote: > > re: conntrack - I think the udp standard for holding a hole punch open > is 2-3 minutes. I've > seen 30 sec or less in the field. > > On Thu, Sep 6,

Re: [Cake] FreeNet backhaul

2018-09-06 Thread Dave Taht
Heh. esfq was "best in class" for a very, very long time. I have years of mrtg data on my network that I haven't looked at in years On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 3:37 PM Pete Heist wrote: > > I met with the FreeNet Liberec admins earlier this week, and am just starting > to get the first IRTT /

Re: [Cake] FreeNet backhaul

2018-09-06 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 7 Sep, 2018, at 1:37 am, Pete Heist wrote: > > This router is an old ALIX with kernel 2.6.26, but on the other hand it does > have hfsc + esfq (a variant of sfq with host fairness) deployed, so if it’s > actually controlling the queue, one might suspect that sfq it could control >

[Cake] FreeNet backhaul

2018-09-06 Thread Pete Heist
I met with the FreeNet Liberec admins earlier this week, and am just starting to get the first IRTT / SmokePing probe data from a few backhaul routers. I’ll see if I can get snapshots of the SmokePing pages public somewhere, but for now... https://www.heistp.net/downloads/jerab_ping.pdf