Good point - I was just trying to respond to someone else’s desire for
flirty-ness. With family dances, I usually do a brief demo of the look-see,
with someone familiar with the move “locking eyeballs” and it gets a lot of
laughs, as you say, and is successful. "Right shoulder round" would
Martha,
I have been using Right Shoulder Round for months with no issues. If the
prompt is given in time, dancers get it. Dancers do not confuse R Thru
with Right Allemande either, if the prompt is given in time.
In MWSD many calls are preceded by "Left" to change starting hands and it
does
Delia said, “especially with the family/community/ONS dances that are my
mainstay. It’s easy to call, emphasizes eye contact, flirty and fun like the
original move.”
Please see http://contrafusion.co.uk/Gypsy.html. The original move was not
flirty and did not involve eye contact :-)
I’m liking calling “look-see” so much, especially with the family/community/ONS
dances that are my mainstay. It’s easy to call, emphasizes eye contact, flirty
and fun like the original move. After quickly teaching it or doing a funny
demo, everyone seems to grasp it easily. I’d love to hear
Don,
Excellent! I will include this w/ your Mon listing.
Can you send me a link to the bus line that gets
one to Concord? I'd like to start
listing these items along w/ the basic info
& see if it shakes anything up. I know of
a few dancers somewhat locally who
drive electric cars. We're not
We're fortunate that the Town of Concord municipal parking near the Scout
House recently put in charging stations (though we had nothing to do with
the project). https://concordma.gov/2342/EV-Charging-Stations-Map
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 6:33 PM Richard Hart via Callers <
A question for the group on dance transportation. Has any dance organization
tried to get an auto charging station or stations installed at or near dance
locations?
Rich.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 8, 2019, at 9:16 AM, Isaac Banner via Callers
> wrote:
>
> Hey Jeff,
>
> Not **us**
Adam,
I guess Google is Too Hard for some?
Re: evocative nature of terms.
"Box the gnat", "hey", "chain", etc all aren't evocative, either. Swing may
be. I love how "right shoulder round" is self explanatory.
I want to underline the excellent point you made about rhyming. "Oh, we
can't SAY that
I hate "right shoulder round". It has the problem of using the term right in
it. That makes it easy for people to confuse with a right allemande or a right
shoulder do-si-do as you are calling it. Or right and left through. People
often hear the first syllable you say to get direction, and that
Bob said:
"Walk all around" [the left-hand lady] has been the MWSD terminology, and it
seems adequate to me. Why create new terminology?
The MWSD definition is:
Dance action: Dancers face their corners. Walking forward and around each
other while keeping right shoulders adjacent, dancers return
"Walk all around" [the left-hand lady] has been the MWSD terminology,
and it seems adequate to me. Why create new terminology?
Bob
On 10/9/2019 9:56, Adam Carlson via Callers wrote:
BTW, I'm really saddened that the term "right shoulder round" has become
the standard replacement for gypsy.
Ron,
I was halfway through a long, researched response explaining why it is a
slur, why just because a particular caller hasn't been personally
confronted at one of their dances they shouldn't assume it's not, and why
the origins of the term, while pertinent are not the whole story on how we
>There's a dance called Black Nag (Playford 1670). Should we avoid this
>in case people think it refers to a nagging black woman?
I don't see why. Doesn't that obviously refer to a horse? Is anyone
actually expressing concern about that name? (Besides the fact that any
one dance name is heard
On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:22:00 -0400, Alan J Rosenthal via Callers wrote:
> Imagine if there were a dance move entitled "Black-man swing"? (I think that
> part of why "Gypsy" flies under the
> radar is because many people here don't immediately perceive it as a racial
> term.)
There's a dance
I wrote something about this recently that may (or may not) be of
interest here (though it doesn't really say anything that others in this
thread haven't already said):
https://blog.samwhited.com/2019/07/right-shoulder-round/
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, at 14:56, Jeffrey Spero via Callers wrote:
> I
I'm uncomfortable with the use of any racial term in the name of a
dance move. Especially if it's an offensive racial term, but even if
it's a neutral racial term.
Imagine if there were a dance move entitled "Black-man swing"?
(I think that part of why "Gypsy" flies under the radar is because
ially in a community that espouses joy and
unity and shared weight, literally?
Julia
From: Callers on behalf of Jeffrey
Spero via Callers
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:56 AM
To: Isaac Banner
Cc: Callers@Lists.Sharedweight.net
Subject: Re: [Callers] [Organizers] c
I apologize. But my point remains that ALMOST everyone who is debating this
point is an outsider.
> On Oct 8, 2019, at 6:16 AM, Isaac Banner wrote:
>
> Hey Jeff,
>
> Not **us** non-roma folk, thank you. My family on my mother's side were a
> part of the culture and none of us appreciate the
I am working on a shared document, if only because it takes a lot of time
and work to educate people and I'd like a resource with lots of links that
people can easily share. If you'd like to positively contribute, please
email me directly contraron at gmail dot com.
It's the 21st century. We're
Hey Jeff,
Not **us** non-roma folk, thank you. My family on my mother's side were a
part of the culture and none of us appreciate the folks telling us not to
worry and that we don't need to be offended.
Isaav
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 8:10 AM Jeffrey Spero via Callers <
But Isaac… isn’t that what people on BOTH sides of the issue are doing? There
are VERY few Roma in the contra community, and we’ve heard from very few
overall on this issue. Mostly it’s just us non-Roma folk arguing amongst
ourselves about what WE perceive how a majority of the Roma people
Hey John,
If the N word was also a move that somehow wasn't connected to the slur,
you wouldn't dare argue that it's different or that you should get to call
it, so drop the argument please. Just because you don't think I should be
offended about the word and how it reflects on my heritage
Since the topic has been re-opened…
First, please may I clear up a couple of points of confusion.
The original version of the Gypsy dance move did not involve eyes. The first
known mention of eyes is in America in 1983. Dancers outside the modern contra
genre do not always lock eyes.
I generally call the move "two-eye turn". This seems to work just fine,
and it captures the choreographic essence of the movement -- the walk
around each other with a looking contact.
IMO, right-shoulder round and left-shoulder round are like the
square-dance move "weave the line" around one
I'm experimenting with teaching this move as a right shoulder 'round, but
describing it as friendly/playful. I will try subbing one of those words
for RSR. I think it gets the idea of a face-to-face move without the
flirty/slur. I know, I know, there are tons of suggestions out there. None
of them
While I make no representation as to quality/frequency/speed of the MBTA,
there's train service to within about a half mile of the Scout House. This
line connects folks to the greater MBTA system in Boston and towns along
the route as far NW as Fitchburg.
Sorry - I did not mean to hijack this thread with discussion of gypsies - just
found it curious that the term 'dance gypsy' was used in the subject line. I
have not heard of anyone addressing that usage. Please return to the original
discussion
Mac
On Monday, October 7, 2019, 02:46:21 PM
We should avoid the term “gypsy” in all ways, in my opinion, not just as an
official dance call. In some areas of the world it is a racial slur akin to the
N word. It has been reclaimed by some Roma in the same way some lesbians have
reclaimed “dyke” but when a term is reclaimed, it can still
These are some really important things to consider. There are easy ways to
reduce our carbon footprint without avoiding travel
Carpools are wonderful - more efficient and a great opportunity to bond with
other dancers
There are lots of more fuel efficient cars that make a real difference.
Hey all,
This is a long email, as it includes three posts.
First, I hope people don't mind, but I'm ccing,
callers and musicians list here, as I think
we can collectively bring about a major shift
in habits w/ our concerted hive intelligence.
I am including the original two posts near the top
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