Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-28 Thread Erik Hoffman via Callers
On the 16-count swing. It can be totally enjoyable, but usually for experienced dancers. For a group of mostly beginners, even a 12-count swing can be a bit much. So, if I’m calling to a substantially beginning group, I’d turn it into a do-si-do and swing. I’ll even turn a balance & swing into

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-28 Thread tavi merrill via Callers
Precisely. What Jeff says here is to me much more than an aside as it helps define and clarify my thoughts around the main point i was trying to make. Dancers are accustomed to swinging for anywhere from 8 to 12 counts (as a balance and swing is 16, minus the 4 counts a balance takes), thus a

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread Jeff Kaufman via Callers
Hmm, I think I've seen people be late with it on twice count swings too? My interpretation is more like, when dancers are starting to learn swing ending flourishes the "counting from the end" to end things on time is hard, and they tend to be late a lot. The longer the flourish they're trying to

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread tavi merrill via Callers
Needs 4 counts (8 beats) to be executed well. My experience is that using it on 8-count swings makes a lot of people late, because most aren't willing to cut the swing off early enough to fit the twirl in without being late. Hence the usefulness of 16-count swings / utility of flourishes to

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread Jeff Kaufman via Callers
On Mar 27, 2016 8:38 PM, "tavi merrill via Callers" < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > like the ripcord twirl, seen in the wild here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVpR6SxWsM4=RDIVquC0jqCXs=2m2s and taught here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbyoOPc0rHQ, one of my favorite swing ending

[Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

2016-03-27 Thread tavi merrill via Callers
Hola all, So Amy's followup to her "Is this a new dance" query brought up something i've been thinking about for a while. (Amy & Tom - i'm collecting it with Tom's B2 modification and attributing it as Wimmer, variation Hinds.) A 16-count swing does go on forever. But it is also awesome - and i