Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

[Colin Hume via Callers]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 12:07:55 -0400, K Panton via Callers wrote:
> Thanks to Yoyo for setting me straight, it looks like "treat P as N" does 
> work on The Hobbit. I stand corrected.

I'm relieved that I don't have to introduce a 6th rule!  I'll certainly try 
this dance out when I get a chance.

Colin Hume
___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Re: [Callers] How many beats to a rip/snort?

[Jane Ewing via Callers]

Jane's Rip & Snort   Dec 2011
Dup Im

A1     See-Saw N, Bal Cir
        2's Rip & Snort up thru 1's

A2     4 in Line-Turn Alone, Back & bend to ring

B1    Circle Left 3, Partner Sw

B2     Ladies Chain, Star Left

Jane Ewing
Grant, AL

Regarding timing... on its own A1 is technically longer then 16 for the 
average dancer..however the timing in B2 seldom takes 16.  When the 
2 are in action together 9 sets out of 10 have no problem.  Rip & Snort 
will still get close to 8 counts to accomplish.  This is an easy dance 
that brings out laughter.  It is also good to set up the caller to use 
R later in the evening in a square without having to teach the move 
during the Sq Dance walk thru.  Enjoy.  Also a big thanks to Tom Hinds 
who was my sounding board when working on this one



On 4/7/2018 4:11 PM, Tom Hinds via Callers wrote:

I think you're correct about it taking between 4 and 8 beats (more like 6).

If you want someone to ask, I'm pretty sure Jane Ewing of Alabama wrote a dance 
with this move in it.

I don't think that we need to be rigid about the names we use today, but I 
suspect that historically cowboy loop was for four people and rip and snort was 
for 8.  There are callers who have been calling longer than I have and can 
correct me if I'm wrong.

Tom




___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Re: [Callers] New (?) 4x4 contra

[Dugan Murphy via Callers]

Hi, Luke,

Great new ideas on 4X4 choreography!  In regards to the "Tamlin's Cross," I
think the rollaway-swing transition in A1 would feel less than ideal, or
even awkward because the direction of the rollaway is counter to the
direction of the swing.

I love that transition when the gent is sashaying left and passing a dancer
in the lady role from the gent's left hand to gent's right hand right, then
the gent can catch the other dancer in the lady role in a swing (as in
"Rollin' with Rhode" by Jim Hemphill, "Rollaway Sue" by Bob Isaacs, "Luna
in the Library" by Ron Blechner,""Roll Twelve" by Chris Page, and "Into the
DMZ" by Cary Ravitz, among others).  I fear that the rollaway-swing
transition as it is written in "Tamlin's Crossing" wouldn't be as
satisfying as int he dances I listed.

Thank you for your innovations and I look forward to seeing more!

Dugan Murphy
Portland, Maine
dugan at duganmurphy.com
www.DuganMurphy.com
www.PortlandIntownContraDance.com


> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 12:16:42 -0400
> From: Luke Donforth 
> Subject: Re: [Callers] New (?) 4x4 contra
>
> Thanks all for the feedback! I'll reach out to Erik and Nils.
>
> As Rick pointed out, the dance could work from standard 4x4 lines; and I
> certainly wouldn't object to folks dancing it that way. In my head, the
> half grand hey precludes this from many dance events, so I figured dancers
> I could toss this at would probably not be thrown by the bent formation.
> But keeping the non-hook moves simple is worthwhile.
>
> I haven't done a Dutch Crossing workshop, although I've been meaning to.
> Nice to see Lisa getting everyone through it, thank you for the link; and
> the reminder to learn Dutch Crossing.
>
> Colin, I don't remember the last time I got to call a 48 bar dance. But if
> I get a band itching to play one, now I've got some things in the quiver.
>
> Jim, I'll admit Heymania is intimidating to me. I like the fixed timing of
> contra, the squishyness of squares is a challenge for me. I'd have to work
> up to that one with some simpler non-musically-square squares.
>
> As for this dance, dropping the balance before the partner swing and
> letting the hey flow into B2 seems the simplest and most forgiving way of
> handling the timing. I like the idea of the reunion moment being marked in
> time though, so that partners know when they're supposed to find each
> other. You could give the hey more time in B1 at the expense of some of the
> neighbor swing. What about the following variation, informed by Chris's
> comments on timing?
>
> Tamlin's Cross (variation)
> 4x4 (lines or bent)
>
> A1
> (4) All 8 go into the middle
> (4) Gents roll partners away on the way out
> (8) Corner Swing, square set
> A2
> (8) Gents left hands across star 1x; gents drop out
> (8) Ladies left hands across star 1x;
> ladies keep hands, and take right hand with corner (making crossed wavy
> lines of 4)
> B1
> (4) Balance the wavy lines of four
> (12) half grand hey, start passing corner you swung by right
> then turn away from corner you swung
> B2
> (16) Partner Balance and Swing
> End the swing facing new couple, having swapped sides with your trail-buddy
> couple
>
> That gives both roles the muscle memory of a left hand star in the middle
> as prep for the handless-star in the hey; which could either be helpful or
> monotonous.
> 
> I wouldn't usually chase a left hand star with a left hand star, but I
> think left will flow better for the gents out of a swing; and I want the
> corners to take right hands (because getting folks to balance left then
> right seems impossible outside of Rory o'More). The two left hand stars
> would also leave some room for silliness on the part of the dancers.
> A2 could be ladies right hand star, then gents left; but I'm not super fond
> of the swing->ladies go in transition. It happens a lot in swing->chain,
> but I don't think it would add to the dance here.
> 
>
> Thanks again for sharing your experience :-)
>
___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

[Callers] Need help teleporting to other side of set - new dance

[K Panton via Callers]

I am need of some choreographic gerrymandering from the braintrust.

I have the flow the way I want in a dance that first gelled about 10 years
but when some folks walked it through for me, more recently, they said,
"uh, Ken, I'm not swinging my N, it's my P."

"Dang," said I.

Here's the dance. the problem is "How do I get neighbours who are beside
each other in an ocean wave (A1) to the other side of the set for a swing?"
(A2) (short of calling on Mr. Scott for a teleport)

So, I need the first half of A2.

Return from Vulcan  Becket

A1 (8) Cir L 1.0
  (8) Slide left and cir 3/4 the next couple to a wavy line.
A2 (4,6,8?) (balance wave, not critical) get gent to other side of set with
neighbour [hmmm... Ladies alle L 1/2, P alle R 1/2, Gents alle L 1/2 - I'm
not convinced]
  (12,10,8?) N Swing
B1 (8) Gents alle L 1.5
 (8) Scoop P in star promenade/B'fly Whirl
B2 (8) Ladies alle R 1.5 while gents orbit CCW
  (8) P Swing


Thanks for any ideas.

Ken Panton
___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Re: [Callers] How many beats to a rip/snort?

[K Panton via Callers]

Tom, Ben & Jane:

Thanks for your responses; I feel relieved.

The dance I've written is as follows and includes a ring balance followed
by R'n'S then down the hall. the transition A2->B1 will be a bit of a run
(X trails to a ring balance).

Here it is, in case you are curious.

The name? Inspired by Love at First Swing (Bob Isaacs) - the basic
structure is the same - with a, (granted) somewhat forced, allusion to that
first time your new sweetie makes you laugh just as you've taken a large
sip of a fizzy beverage! ha ha :)

*Love at First Snort (Ken Panton, April 2018)*

Improper

*CALL *

*A1*

*(8)*

*Bal the ring; spin R*


*(8)*

*Swing P*

*A2*

*(8)*

*Bal the ring; spin R*


*(8)*

*Swing N*

*B1*

*(8)*

*Bal the ring; x trails*


*(4)*

*with new N, Bal the ring*


*(4)*

*Rip/Snort to line of 4*

*B2*

*(8)*

*Line of 4 down the hall*


*(8)*

*with N, turn as couples and return*
___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Re: [Callers] CDs with full length dance tune

[Bev Young via Callers]

My favorites are:
New England Dancing Masters -
  Assembly, Other Side of the Tracks
  Any Jig or Reel
  Sashay the Donut
  Chimes of Dunkirk
(These last two have a lot of children's dances, but many of the tunes are
medleys and can be used for various community & contra dances)

High Clouds, Greenfield Dance Band
Susan Kevra's Full Swing
Richard Forest and Domino (Quebecois music)

Bev Young



___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Re: [Callers] Need help teleporting to other side of set - new dance

[Tom Hinds via Callers]

I don't think you should make an ocean wave.  To get a satisfying swing the 
dancers will have to do the arm turns as you describe.  You have three arm 
turns which comes to 6 beats and I always allow for two extra beats when there 
are busy transitions so the dancers would get approx and 8 beat swing, maybe 
more with energetic, experienced dancers.

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 8:59 PM, K Panton via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am need of some choreographic gerrymandering from the braintrust.
> 
> I have the flow the way I want in a dance that first gelled about 10 years 
> but when some folks walked it through for me, more recently, they said, "uh, 
> Ken, I'm not swinging my N, it's my P."
> 
> "Dang," said I.
> 
> Here's the dance. the problem is "How do I get neighbours who are beside each 
> other in an ocean wave (A1) to the other side of the set for a swing?" (A2) 
> (short of calling on Mr. Scott for a teleport)
> 
> So, I need the first half of A2.
> 
> Return from Vulcan  Becket
> 
> A1 (8) Cir L 1.0
>   (8) Slide left and cir 3/4 the next couple to a wavy line.
> A2 (4,6,8?) (balance wave, not critical) get gent to other side of set with 
> neighbour [hmmm... Ladies alle L 1/2, P alle R 1/2, Gents alle L 1/2 - I'm 
> not convinced]
>   (12,10,8?) N Swing
> B1 (8) Gents alle L 1.5
>  (8) Scoop P in star promenade/B'fly Whirl
> B2 (8) Ladies alle R 1.5 while gents orbit CCW
>   (8) P Swing
> 
> 
> Thanks for any ideas.
> 
> Ken Panton
> ___
> List Name:  Callers mailing list
> List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
> Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Re: [Callers] Need help teleporting to other side of set - new dance

[Jack Mitchell via Callers]

I’m with Tom - I think that a wave is going to be too limiting.  One thing
that comes to mind is circle left 3/4, balance the ring, partner roll away
- swing neighbor.  I think that would be a slightly modified Wowee (a la
Bob Isaacs & friends). I’m sure that others will come up with more creative
options but that is what came to mind.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:00 PM K Panton via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> I am need of some choreographic gerrymandering from the braintrust.
>
> I have the flow the way I want in a dance that first gelled about 10 years
> but when some folks walked it through for me, more recently, they said,
> "uh, Ken, I'm not swinging my N, it's my P."
>
> "Dang," said I.
>
> Here's the dance. the problem is "How do I get neighbours who are beside
> each other in an ocean wave (A1) to the other side of the set for a swing?"
> (A2) (short of calling on Mr. Scott for a teleport)
>
> So, I need the first half of A2.
>
> Return from Vulcan  Becket
>
> A1 (8) Cir L 1.0
>   (8) Slide left and cir 3/4 the next couple to a wavy line.
> A2 (4,6,8?) (balance wave, not critical) get gent to other side of set
> with neighbour [hmmm... Ladies alle L 1/2, P alle R 1/2, Gents alle L 1/2 -
> I'm not convinced]
>   (12,10,8?) N Swing
> B1 (8) Gents alle L 1.5
>  (8) Scoop P in star promenade/B'fly Whirl
> B2 (8) Ladies alle R 1.5 while gents orbit CCW
>   (8) P Swing
>
>
> Thanks for any ideas.
>
> Ken Panton
> ___
> List Name:  Callers mailing list
> List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
> Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
>
-- 
Jack Mitchell
Durham, NC
___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Re: [Callers] Need help teleporting to other side of set - new dance

[K Panton via Callers]

I like that, Tom.

With just a little tug from the gent to redirect the lady's momentum into
the allemande (and he can keep moving, anticipating his subsequent
allemande). The 3 x 1/2 alle becomes a neat twist.

I case anyone cares, I mind-danced Tom's idea to this tune. Very cool
result.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocxkWekLBIc

Thanks,

Ken





On 8 April 2018 at 23:01, Tom Hinds  wrote:

> I don't think you should make an ocean wave.  To get a satisfying swing
> the dancers will have to do the arm turns as you describe.  You have three
> arm turns which comes to 6 beats and I always allow for two extra beats
> when there are busy transitions so the dancers would get approx and 8 beat
> swing, maybe more with energetic, experienced dancers.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Apr 8, 2018, at 8:59 PM, K Panton via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> >
> > I am need of some choreographic gerrymandering from the braintrust.
> >
> > I have the flow the way I want in a dance that first gelled about 10
> years but when some folks walked it through for me, more recently, they
> said, "uh, Ken, I'm not swinging my N, it's my P."
> >
> > "Dang," said I.
> >
> > Here's the dance. the problem is "How do I get neighbours who are beside
> each other in an ocean wave (A1) to the other side of the set for a swing?"
> (A2) (short of calling on Mr. Scott for a teleport)
> >
> > So, I need the first half of A2.
> >
> > Return from Vulcan  Becket
> >
> > A1 (8) Cir L 1.0
> >   (8) Slide left and cir 3/4 the next couple to a wavy line.
> > A2 (4,6,8?) (balance wave, not critical) get gent to other side of set
> with neighbour [hmmm... Ladies alle L 1/2, P alle R 1/2, Gents alle L 1/2 -
> I'm not convinced]
> >   (12,10,8?) N Swing
> > B1 (8) Gents alle L 1.5
> >  (8) Scoop P in star promenade/B'fly Whirl
> > B2 (8) Ladies alle R 1.5 while gents orbit CCW
> >   (8) P Swing
> >
> >
> > Thanks for any ideas.
> >
> > Ken Panton
> > ___
> > List Name:  Callers mailing list
> > List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
> > Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
>
>
___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Re: [Callers] Need help teleporting to other side of set - new dance

[K Panton via Callers]

Another great option, Jack; and plenty creative.

Thanks.

I can see this will need some blind taste tests!

Now I'm very curious what further solutions may appear.

Ken


On 8 April 2018 at 23:46, Jack Mitchell  wrote:

> I’m with Tom - I think that a wave is going to be too limiting.  One thing
> that comes to mind is circle left 3/4, balance the ring, partner roll away
> - swing neighbor.  I think that would be a slightly modified Wowee (a la
> Bob Isaacs & friends). I’m sure that others will come up with more creative
> options but that is what came to mind.
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:00 PM K Panton via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> I am need of some choreographic gerrymandering from the braintrust.
>>
>> I have the flow the way I want in a dance that first gelled about 10
>> years but when some folks walked it through for me, more recently, they
>> said, "uh, Ken, I'm not swinging my N, it's my P."
>>
>> "Dang," said I.
>>
>
etc etc etc.



> --
> Jack Mitchell
> Durham, NC
>
___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Re: [Callers] Need help teleporting to other side of set - new dance

[David Harding via Callers]

If you haven't done so, take a look at Cary Ravitz's web site on contra 
dance choreography.  His discussion of black boxes might help in 
situations like this where you need a combination to get from one place 
to another.  http://www.dance.ravitz.us/chor.php#m


Dave

On 4/8/2018 7:59 PM, K Panton via Callers wrote:

I am need of some choreographic gerrymandering from the braintrust.

I have the flow the way I want in a dance that first gelled about 10 
years but when some folks walked it through for me, more recently, 
they said, "uh, Ken, I'm not swinging my N, it's my P."


"Dang," said I.

Here's the dance. the problem is "How do I get neighbours who are 
beside each other in an ocean wave (A1) to the other side of the set 
for a swing?" (A2) (short of calling on Mr. Scott for a teleport)


So, I need the first half of A2.

Return from Vulcan  Becket

A1 (8) Cir L 1.0
      (8) Slide left and cir 3/4 the next couple to a wavy line.
A2 (4,6,8?) (balance wave, not critical) get gent to other side of set 
with neighbour [hmmm... Ladies alle L 1/2, P alle R 1/2, Gents alle L 
1/2 - I'm not convinced]

      (12,10,8?) N Swing
B1 (8) Gents alle L 1.5
     (8) Scoop P in star promenade/B'fly Whirl
B2 (8) Ladies alle R 1.5 while gents orbit CCW
      (8) P Swing


Thanks for any ideas.

Ken Panton


___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/


___
List Name:  Callers mailing list
List Address:  Callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Archives:  https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/