Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-17 Thread Martha Wild via Callers
Ah, the chicken or the egg issue…. Martha > On Dec 17, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Alan Winston via Callers > wrote: > > Martha -- > > I believe "Double Mad Robin" in ECD is a reimportation from contra of the > contra-style Mad Robin. > > -- Alan > > On 12/17/15 7:42

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-17 Thread Alan Winston via Callers
Martha -- I believe "Double Mad Robin" in ECD is a reimportation from contra of the contra-style Mad Robin. -- Alan On 12/17/15 7:42 AM, Martha Wild via Callers wrote: Hear, hear, John. I agree with you. I’ve heard this move called "petronella turn" at least since the late 80s and, as you

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-17 Thread Aahz Maruch via Callers
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015, Neal Schlein wrote: > On Dec 17, 2015 8:50 AM, "Aahz Maruch via Callers" < > callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015, John Sweeney via Callers wrote: >>> >>> Whether complete standardisation is a good thing or a bad thing is another >>> matter entirely;

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-17 Thread Neal Schlein via Callers
Umm...Aahz, I think you missed the point about standardization in contra versus MWSD. Yes: technically there are poorly understood and detailed applications in squares that are not clearly defined, and in contras some of us discuss the terminology we want to use. But Callerlab prints definitions

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-17 Thread Martha Wild via Callers
Hear, hear, John. I agree with you. I’ve heard this move called "petronella turn" at least since the late 80s and, as you do, just call it as such, and teach where necessary, without a reference to the original dance. Why bother? Most dancers don’t know the original dance - now if I were

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-17 Thread Aahz Maruch via Callers
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015, John Sweeney via Callers wrote: > > Whether complete standardisation is a good thing or a bad thing is another > matter entirely; we all have our own opinions about MWSD :-) Note that MWSD is not completely standardized -- it's more like the C programming language with areas

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-17 Thread John Sweeney via Callers
Michael Fuerst wrote, "'Balance and spin' has the same number of syllables as 'Petronella' and avoids unnecessary jargon" Hmmm... well if someone says "Petronella" I know that I am balancing forward and back and then spinning clockwise while moving one place to my right to the place of the person

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-16 Thread Michael Fuerst via Callers
I suspect that for prompting people to act  figure descriptions resembling verbs ("slide about") are better than than those resembling nouns ('sliding doors") Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      Urbana IL 61801  217 239 5844 On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:19 AM, Alan Winston

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-16 Thread Alan Winston via Callers
I use "Mad Robin" because that's what people use around here, but I kinda like "sliding doors" for the figure. -- Alan On 12/15/15 10:20 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote: Movements are best described with the minimal syllables possible with minimal jargon. "Mad Robin" became part of

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-16 Thread Michael Fuerst via Callers
Good idea from Colin.    One might also say "slide about, men (or women) in front" Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      Urbana IL 61801  217 239 5844http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/201406/8-situations-when-you-should-keep-your-mouth-shut On Wednesday,

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-15 Thread Colin Hume via Callers
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:20:58 + (UTC), Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote: > "Mad Robin" became part of contra in the last ten years or so. > Unless someone comes up with more succinct and descriptive words, > we are probably stuck with "Mad Robin" I use the word "shuttle" (though in the

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-15 Thread Michael Fuerst via Callers
Movements are best described with the minimal syllables possible with minimal   jargon. "Mad Robin" became part of contra in the last ten years or so.   Unless someone comes up with more succinct and descriptive words, we are probably stuck with "Mad Robin"Actually now that I think about it,

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-15 Thread Aahz Maruch via Callers
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote: > > "Balance and spin" has the same number of syllables as "Petronella" > and avoids unnecessary jargon Of course, some of us think that unless there's a compelling reason (as possibly in the case of "gypsy"), keeping the old terminology is

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-15 Thread Michael Fuerst via Callers
ht.net> wrote: Many callers forget that Petronella is spin-then-balance, and most modern "Petronella dances" are balance-then-spin".So saying, "as in Petronella, balance and spin/move one place to the right" is not accurate either. More accurate: "Bal

Re: [Callers] As in Petronella

2015-12-15 Thread Ron Blechner via Callers
Many callers forget that Petronella is spin-then-balance, and most modern "Petronella dances" are balance-then-spin". So saying, "as in Petronella, balance and spin/move one place to the right" is not accurate either. More accurate: "Balance the ring, and as in P