On 10/7/19 5:43 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:
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> Looking forward to hearing other people's thoughts on this.
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> Kalia Kliban in slightly-inaccessible Sebastopol, CA
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I used to maintain BACDS's page describing how to get to (and, maybe,
from) BACDS dances
I love the wider conversation this has generated! (Thanks Heitzso for
sharing my original post.) I also discovered that on long trips, my mileage
went from around 45-48 on the highway to closer to 53 MPG when I just drove
the speed limit - it'd probably be even better if I kept it at 55. It makes
Since the topic has been re-opened…
First, please may I clear up a couple of points of confusion.
The original version of the Gypsy dance move did not involve eyes. The first
known mention of eyes is in America in 1983. Dancers outside the modern contra
genre do not always lock eyes.
Hey Jeff,
Not **us** non-roma folk, thank you. My family on my mother's side were a
part of the culture and none of us appreciate the folks telling us not to
worry and that we don't need to be offended.
Isaav
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 8:10 AM Jeffrey Spero via Callers <
I am working on a shared document, if only because it takes a lot of time
and work to educate people and I'd like a resource with lots of links that
people can easily share. If you'd like to positively contribute, please
email me directly contraron at gmail dot com.
It's the 21st century. We're
I apologize. But my point remains that ALMOST everyone who is debating this
point is an outsider.
> On Oct 8, 2019, at 6:16 AM, Isaac Banner wrote:
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> Hey Jeff,
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> Not **us** non-roma folk, thank you. My family on my mother's side were a
> part of the culture and none of us appreciate the
I think that previous posters have made good points but I am offended by the
idea that "outsiders" can't be sensitive. Doesn't it make sense that the
majority, educated, should be the driving force behind "no ethnicity slurred"
and not leave it in our culture especially in a community that
I'm uncomfortable with the use of any racial term in the name of a
dance move. Especially if it's an offensive racial term, but even if
it's a neutral racial term.
Imagine if there were a dance move entitled "Black-man swing"?
(I think that part of why "Gypsy" flies under the radar is because
But Isaac… isn’t that what people on BOTH sides of the issue are doing? There
are VERY few Roma in the contra community, and we’ve heard from very few
overall on this issue. Mostly it’s just us non-Roma folk arguing amongst
ourselves about what WE perceive how a majority of the Roma people
On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:22:00 -0400, Alan J Rosenthal via Callers wrote:
> Imagine if there were a dance move entitled "Black-man swing"? (I think that
> part of why "Gypsy" flies under the
> radar is because many people here don't immediately perceive it as a racial
> term.)
There's a dance
I wrote something about this recently that may (or may not) be of
interest here (though it doesn't really say anything that others in this
thread haven't already said):
https://blog.samwhited.com/2019/07/right-shoulder-round/
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, at 14:56, Jeffrey Spero via Callers wrote:
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>There's a dance called Black Nag (Playford 1670). Should we avoid this
>in case people think it refers to a nagging black woman?
I don't see why. Doesn't that obviously refer to a horse? Is anyone
actually expressing concern about that name? (Besides the fact that any
one dance name is heard
Hey John,
If the N word was also a move that somehow wasn't connected to the slur,
you wouldn't dare argue that it's different or that you should get to call
it, so drop the argument please. Just because you don't think I should be
offended about the word and how it reflects on my heritage
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