[caret-users] spm99 metrics projection

2007-04-26 Thread Mateus Joffily

Hello,

We have 18 subjects that have been analysed with spm99. Their structural 
images have been normalized into a template from Marseille 
(http://irmfmrs.free.fr/formation/traitement_des_donnees/GuideSPM.htm) 
in MNI space.


Since, we didn't use spm99 standard template, I am not sure we can use 
Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_SPM99_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec 
for projecting the metrics. What would be the correct way of projecting 
the metric files of those subjects into a Caret/PALS surface?


Is there a Human.PALS_B12.LR.AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM96.RIGHT.73730.spec for 
spm99?


Thank you for your help.

Mateus


Re: [caret-users] spm99 metrics projection

2007-04-26 Thread Donna Dierker

Hi Mateus,

Wasn't SPM96 the single subject colin target?  I'm asking, because I 
really don't know the answer, but I think David may have told me this 
while working on his foci project.


It turns out my caret/data_files/fmri_mapping_files directory *does* 
have AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM95 and AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM96 spec files that 
almost certainly have to do with David's foci project.  Your version may 
be older and not yet have these files.  But a worthwhile task might be 
to do this:


cd /usr/local/caret/data_files/fmri_mapping_files
caret5

Then, open whichever of these specs you think has the best chance of 
aligning:


Human.PALS_B12.LR.AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM95.LEFT.73730.spec
Human.PALS_B12.LR.AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM96.LEFT.73730.spec
Human.colin.SPM2.LEFT.71785.spec
Human.colin.SPM99.LEFT.71785.spec
Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_FLIRT_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec
Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_MRITOTAL_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec
Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_SPM2_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec
Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_SPM99_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec

Then File: Open Data File: Volume anatomy file: and open your Marseille 
template

Switch to volume view ALL
D/C: overlay/underlay volume: settings: Toggle on Show surface contour 
checkbox
Scroll around and evaluate how well the fiducial contour intersects the 
surface


Perhaps even get a capture, if the alignment is excellent, and use this 
as your reason for using this target.  If none align well, then I don't 
have a good plan B for you.


Donna

On 04/26/2007 05:15 AM, Mateus Joffily wrote:

Hello,

We have 18 subjects that have been analysed with spm99. Their 
structural images have been normalized into a template from Marseille 
(http://irmfmrs.free.fr/formation/traitement_des_donnees/GuideSPM.htm) 
in MNI space.


Since, we didn't use spm99 standard template, I am not sure we can use 
Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_SPM99_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec 
for projecting the metrics. What would be the correct way of 
projecting the metric files of those subjects into a Caret/PALS surface?


Is there a Human.PALS_B12.LR.AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM96.RIGHT.73730.spec 
for spm99?


Thank you for your help.

Mateus
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Re: [caret-users] spm99 metrics projection

2007-04-26 Thread Mateus Joffily

Ok, I will try it.
Thank you very much!

Mateus


Donna Dierker wrote:


On 04/26/2007 08:29 AM, Mateus Joffily wrote:


Hi Donna,

Wasn't SPM96 the single subject colin target?  I'm asking, because I 
really don't know the answer, but I think David may have told me 
this while working on his foci project.



I don't know, but I will check it.



It turns out my caret/data_files/fmri_mapping_files directory *does* 
have AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM95 and AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM96 spec files 
that almost certainly have to do with David's foci project.  Your 
version may be older and not yet have these files.  



Yes. I also have an AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM95. But I was wondering if it 
exists an AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM99.



But a worthwhile task might be to do this:

cd /usr/local/caret/data_files/fmri_mapping_files
caret5

Then, open whichever of these specs you think has the best chance of 
aligning:


Human.PALS_B12.LR.AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM95.LEFT.73730.spec
Human.PALS_B12.LR.AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM96.LEFT.73730.spec
Human.colin.SPM2.LEFT.71785.spec
Human.colin.SPM99.LEFT.71785.spec
Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_FLIRT_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec 

Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_MRITOTAL_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec 


Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_SPM2_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec
Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_SPM99_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec 



Then File: Open Data File: Volume anatomy file: and open your 
Marseille template

Switch to volume view ALL
D/C: overlay/underlay volume: settings: Toggle on Show surface 
contour checkbox
Scroll around and evaluate how well the fiducial contour intersects 
the surface



Ok. I will try it.

Finaly, if I choose to use a  MULTI-FIDUCIAL spec, I will need to 
project each individual metric to each  Buck_Case01:12 surface? 
After, how can I get an average fiducial map of the activations?


No:  If you decide MULTI-FIDUCIAL_SPM99 aligns nicely, then select 
SPM99 from the list of spaces in the Map to Atlas menu.  Then you'll 
see the entries that correspond to this spec file, select them, and 
select either map to average fiducial only; map to each of the 
subjects; and/or generate the average of the individual mappings.


In other words, the process is exactly the same; the only issue is 
first determining whether any of the existing surfaces intersects your 
template well enough, and if so, which intersects best.




Thank you very much.

Mateus

Perhaps even get a capture, if the alignment is excellent, and use 
this as your reason for using this target.  If none align well, then 
I don't have a good plan B for you.


Donna

On 04/26/2007 05:15 AM, Mateus Joffily wrote:


Hello,

We have 18 subjects that have been analysed with spm99. Their 
structural images have been normalized into a template from 
Marseille 
(http://irmfmrs.free.fr/formation/traitement_des_donnees/GuideSPM.htm) 
in MNI space.


Since, we didn't use spm99 standard template, I am not sure we can 
use 
Human.PALS_B12.LR.MULTI-FIDUCIAL_SPM99_fMRI-MAPPER.B1-12.LEFT.73730.spec 
for projecting the metrics. What would be the correct way of 
projecting the metric files of those subjects into a Caret/PALS 
surface?


Is there a 
Human.PALS_B12.LR.AVERAGE-FIDUCIAL_SPM96.RIGHT.73730.spec for spm99?


Thank you for your help.

Mateus




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