Re: [Catalyst] Re: Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread Zbigniew Lukasiak
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis pagalt...@gmx.de wrote: * Zbigniew Lukasiak zzb...@gmail.com [2010-04-26 12:25]: This is a fine advice - but unfortunately the -param method call suffers from additional problem - which is described in much detail in the documentation (go

Re: [Catalyst] Suggestions for iPhone version of app

2010-04-27 Thread Tomas Doran
On 26 Apr 2010, at 16:27, Steve Nolte wrote: HTTP::BrowserDetect gives you the detection, and you could setup a separate view for those templates with a fallback to the previous templates. You configure the secondary view with multiple paths (INCLUDE_PATH), so you can override any template

Re: [Catalyst] Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread Tomas Doran
On 26 Apr 2010, at 10:36, Dermot wrote: Obviously I'd rather use the faster method but if I'm breaking the encapsulation in some ways that's going to bite me later, I'd steer clear. Premature optimisation is the root of all evil. I really really wouldn't be worrying about method call

Re: [Catalyst] Pre-Moose version of Catalyst and all plugins?

2010-04-27 Thread Tomas Doran
On 26 Apr 2010, at 21:09, Kee Hinckley wrote: I'm trying to get some old code running in a hurry. Unfortunately Moose has completely fouled things up.First it broke my use of Error.pm (conflict with with). Erm, that'll only break things if you import the Moose helper functions into the

[Catalyst] Oddness with Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::DBIC

2010-04-27 Thread Ben van Staveren
Hi folks, Recently after upgrading all of Catalyst, I'm witnessing some weird behaviour in some apps. I'm using Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::DBIC to store my sessions, and when I have DBIC_TRACE going, I see this: BEGIN WORK SELECT me.id, me.session_data, me.expires FROM session me

RE: [Catalyst] Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread Merlyn Kline
I'm running out of popcorn now so here's a quick summary of my observations WRT getting request parameters: - If a simple question about something so fundamental to what Catalyst is for (i.e. Dermot's question, not Oleg's) can generate so much debate then something's not right somewhere.

Re: [Catalyst] Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread Oleg Pronin
2010/4/27 J. Shirley jshir...@gmail.com: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Zbigniew Lukasiak zzb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Ben van Staveren benvanstave...@gmail.com wrote: Because if you are working with, say, 10 people on a team, and you will have everyone merrily

Re: [Catalyst] Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread Tomas Doran
Merlyn Kline wrote: So I had a quick look at the docs (for the first time in many years - I found them at http://search.cpan.org/~hkclark/Catalyst-Manual/) to see if I could see what this is all about. The answer to Dermot's question is there but it it's a bit obscured by the CGI.pm

Re: [Catalyst] Oddness with Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::DBIC

2010-04-27 Thread Moritz Onken
I had the same problem. I boiled it down to Static::Simple. Each request to a static resource issued a session update. In a recent release of cat the handling of requests seemed to have changed. Try downgrading to 5.80018 which fixed it for me (which is not a good solution, but I have no time

[Catalyst] Re: Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Zbigniew Lukasiak zzb...@gmail.com [2010-04-27 09:20]: Not a very concrete answer - but I remember that Miyagawa talked about fixing that in Plack::Request (and I am not sure but I think it also involved H::MV) - so there might be some occasion for reuse :) Yeah, that’s exactly what he

Re: [Catalyst] Oddness with Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::DBIC

2010-04-27 Thread Ben van Staveren
Hi Moritz, Yeah I just figured that one out - but that's new, never saw it do this before to be honest - it's not a big deal actually since in production Static::Simple isn't used and I let lighttpd take care of serving static files, but in testing it's a bit disconcerting to see it crop up

Re: [Catalyst] Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread Carl Johnstone
Merlyn Kline wrote: I propose that all references to the req-param() interface should be replaced by references to the $c-req-parameters-{} interface except where explicit discussions of CGI.pm compatability are appropriate, which would only be very briefly in the case of the Intro. It's not

[Catalyst] unsubsricbe

2010-04-27 Thread KT Lo
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Re: [Catalyst] Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread Carl Johnstone
Dermot wrote: Why wouldn't you, as you write, use the the fastest access methods available? Surely you'd want to develop habits that will a) provide better performance and b) as mentioned below avoid the thorny side-effects of req-params(). This isn't a matter of premature optimisation but

Re: [Catalyst] Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread Dermot
On 27 April 2010 12:09, Carl Johnstone catal...@fadetoblack.me.uk wrote: Dermot wrote: Why wouldn't you, as you write, use the the fastest access methods available? Surely you'd want to develop habits that will a) provide better performance and b) as mentioned below avoid the thorny

Re: [Catalyst] Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread J. Shirley
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:39 AM, Oleg Pronin syber@gmail.com wrote: Why can't nobody understand, the question is not why someone should use $c-req-{params}. Of course that is an evil. Problem is that if i could get -{parameters}{name} at a speed 100x there can't be no reason for -params

Re: [Catalyst] Alternatives to Catalyst ?

2010-04-27 Thread Charlie Garrison
Good morning, On 27/04/10 at 1:22 PM +0100, Dermot paik...@googlemail.com wrote: That comment was obviously tongue in cheek but there was an underlining point that access via sub-routine reference is slower than access via a hash. Toby was quick to point out that as far as he knew