Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: Jay Kuri j...@ion0.com I've been watching this discussion and I have ranted my less than constructive ravings in #catalyst. My more constructive ravings are below... First: Perl jobs are not decreasing. While there is not a ton of 'Buzz' around perl anymore... If you look at actual

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Dan Dascalescu
First: Perl jobs are not decreasing. While there is not a ton of 'Buzz' around perl anymore... If you look at actual jobs stats: http://tiny.cc/kkcCM Perl is above all the others by some margin. Short version: that graph is misleading. Click the Relative link. Longer version: Yes, Perl

[Catalyst] (Catalyst as Communicate tier) XML MODEL

2009-02-15 Thread Mehran Parchebafieh
Hi all, I decided to use Catalyst as communicate layer of a project, I need read xml and then, serve the data with REST {json} to other. How I can define a xml model thro socket or every IPC? Actually catalyst placed on middle of an engine and web interface. Thanks in advance.

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Andrew Rodland
On Sunday 15 February 2009 03:04:04 am Dan Dascalescu wrote: First: Perl jobs are not decreasing. While there is not a ton of 'Buzz' around perl anymore... If you look at actual jobs stats: http://tiny.cc/kkcCM Perl is above all the others by some margin. Short version: that graph

[Catalyst] Re: template design issue: varibales stand-alone components

2009-02-15 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Gene Selkov selko...@observercentral.net [2009-02-05 00:30]: I understood as much. The problem I am grappling with is the complexity of the web pages I have to present, with many different states and transitions. There is no way I can code for that with a single template. Use Chained

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Octavian Râşniţă
From: Dan Dascalescu ddascalescu+catal...@gmail.com I've just discovered Data::Dump but it appears to beat the crap out of Data::Dumper. Yet does it say anywhere Hey, if you're getting started with Perl and need to dump variables, use Data::Dump, and don't waste your time investigating other

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread David Wright
I can't say much because of confidentiality, but from the Catalyst survey late last year, I can say that there are some pretty high profile places using Catalyst around about. It's public knowledge that two of the biggest streaming media websites in the world use Catalyst. Aye, that it is:

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Tobias Kremer
On 15.02.2009, at 09:58, Kieren Diment wrote: On 15/02/2009, at 7:50 PM, Russell Jurney wrote: Yahoo has posted some Catalyst specific job listings, so presumably they use Catalyst for something. I can't say much because of confidentiality, but from the Catalyst survey late last year, I can

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Tobias Kremer
On 15.02.2009, at 09:40, Octavian Râsnita wrote: In my country there are no jobs for perl developers. There are jobs for Java, C#, C++ and PHp developers. The knowledge of perl is considered as an advantage in very few job announcements, but it is wanted mostly for administrative tasks, not

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Dermot
2009/2/15 Dan Dascalescu ddascalescu+catal...@gmail.com: I think I can agree with that. What I'm saying is that there's simply too much useless choice. Random example: Data::Dumper vs. Data::Dump. I imagine there is some kudos in getting a module on CPAN hence there is a lot of overlap.

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Tobias Kremer
On 15.02.2009, at 13:39, Dan Dascalescu wrote: Aye, that it is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/12/iplayer_day_performance_tricks.html Thanks for the link. I added it as a support URL to http://www.appliedstacks.com/website/Bbc_Iplayer Cool, I've updated the Sites using Catalyst

Re: [Catalyst] (Catalyst as Communicate tier) XML MODEL

2009-02-15 Thread Mehran Parchebafieh
joel thanks a lot. Yes, I got my answer [Catalyst::Model::Adaptor]. I already have not a standalone class which acts as a client for the webservice. I have a project that contains two main layer. one of them is engine and other is web interface. I want to know what is your idea and or catalyst's

[Catalyst] TT Latex Experiences with Catalyst

2009-02-15 Thread Alejandro Imass
Hi, Just wondering if there are experiences or recommended patterns to use Template::Plugin::Latex with Catalyst. The idea is to generate hardcopy output from the web app directly to a printer via ipp, lpr, etc. or download as PS or PDF. My question is if anyone is doing such a thing could

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Jay Kuri
I think a lot of folks make good points. I am not arguing that we do not promote things. I am arguing that A) it's not as bad as it first seems. -- and -- B) before we can promote Catalyst / Perl, we have to know where we want to position ourselves. I think it's a mistake to try to compete

[Catalyst] Re: Model Helper and PostgreSql Schemas

2009-02-15 Thread Alejandro Imass
Solved. After hacking the helper classes and dbic loader, I was happy to discover that the Catalyst folks have though of this. You can pass anything after user, pass and will get evaled and passed to the subclasses, so if you do this: script/inventory_create.pl model [MODEL_HERE] DBIC::Schema

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Ashley
On Feb 15, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Dan Dascalescu wrote: First: Perl jobs are not decreasing. While there is not a ton of 'Buzz' around perl anymore... If you look at actual jobs stats: http://tiny.cc/kkcCM Perl is above all the others by some margin. Short version: that graph is misleading.

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: Jay Kuri j...@ion0.com I think it's a mistake to try to compete with Rails for the newbie. Some large percentage of newbies will never do anything more than occasional tinkering if they stick with web development at all. We have limited resources and we don't want to waste our time there.

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Ashley
On Feb 15, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Octavian Râsnita wrote: The list of CPAN modules you shouldn't use because they are not good: Everyone should consider writing more reviews on the CPAN reviews site too. It's directly connected with them. It wouldn't carry the same sort of authority as a

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: Ashley a...@sedition.com And while others have made good points there were many that weren't so hot. Using a big company as an example of a place that picks the best is ridiculous; their size and bureaucracy often mean they can't. When I was at Amazon I watched them burn millions of

Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development

2009-02-15 Thread Kieren Diment
On 16/02/2009, at 7:31 AM, Octavian Râsnita wrote: From: Jay Kuri j...@ion0.com I think it's a mistake to try to compete with Rails for the newbie. Some large percentage of newbies will never do anything more than occasional tinkering if they stick with web development at all. We have