* On Tue, Dec 08 2009, Tomas Doran wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2009, at 05:34, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
>> Sorry to dig up a very old thread, but I am very behind on email and
>> wanted to comment :)
>
> No problem. Your insight as to why things are they way they are is
> useful :)
&g
ke everything
work for everyone. (I am experimenting with a new response layer on top
of Plack that should prove useful for this sort of thing.)
Wow, I can't believe I am defending backcompat. Must be that caffeine
powder...
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ing because this is sometimes done automatically by libraries
that are in use. It's confusing because sometimes it's *not* done by
the libraries that are in use :) If you're not sure if your library is
doing this for you, read the source, or ask someone :)
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kcompat severely, a correct
solution will be implemented. But for now, trying hard to Do The Right
Thing (instead of causing weird web browser errors) is what we're stuck
with.
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data is there, and then you can
better guess *why* it's there.
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> Can we have a reallyreallywanttoinstallplease ?
> I also thought --yarly (thanks rafl), --yesinstalldammit, --plztobeintallingz
> were
> excellent choices.
"-iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark"
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* On Sun, Jul 19 2009, Jesse Sheidlower wrote:
> This is more of a philosophical question about how to handle
> authz with roles, but is perhaps OT for Catalyst, I suppose.
http://blog.woobling.org/2009/06/users-accounts-identities-and-roles.html
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the
component loading stuff, arguably the most critical part, working
correctly yet... but it will soon, as I finally figured it out this
morning. :)
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bugs that
> were in smartmatch in 5.10.0 because not enough of us tested the dev
> releases.
Or, you can use Debian, which fixed this bug in its Perl a while ago:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=488088
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's not 1990 anymore, using email doesn't make
you cool. ;)
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they are fixed with a
quick press of "W w", so there's no need to complain about them.)
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Let's avoid both, eh?
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ore strongly worked, but I toned it down a bit. Still, I figured at
> least one person would call me out on one or two bits. I'll mellow it
> out if people think I should.
Like I said, no need to tone it down.
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* On Thu, Apr 16 2009, Peter Karman wrote:
> I had the same experience and just switched to the File cache plugin
> instead.
Are you storing big things, i.e. pieces of data bigger than the cache
"pages"? If so, fastmmap will silently not store those pieces of data.
In general, I find it very fla
th the
PAR, and easily run them from the deployed PAR. That will alleviate
many of my PAR deployment worries.
(Ping me on IRC for more details, or see
http://github.com/jrockway/moosex-runnable )
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Patches welcome. I hacked this together at OSCON last year, but haven't
actually used it.
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nd querying data is a
waste of effort. It's like writing all your software in CPU microcode,
simply because it's the lowest level possible. You *can* do this, but
why not use something higher-level? Everything is easier that way.
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So far, I haven't found anything that does this for my tools of choice:
> DBIx::Class +
> Dojo
We use JSORB for forms.
http://search.cpan.org/~stevan/JSORB-0.01/
Obviously, you are responsible for writing the JSORB endpoints, but
that's just a Simple Matter Of Metaprogramming (a
een the
low-level DBIC stuff, and high-level operations.)
If your classes depend on the structure of DBIC results, then the code
needs to go in your schema classes. That is how everyone does it.
(Your "full_name" example is just the sort of thing that you would keep
inside DBIC.)
Rega
27;).
That's all you should use it for.
(*) BTW, the behavior you described does work intentionally, for cases
when you need the objects in Catalyst to be different than with plain
DBIC. I think it's a bad idea to use this "feature" except in very
special cases -- of which "full
the patch will be harmful, though, so if there is one we
might as well apply it. But it's a lot easier to not misuse config than
it is to patch Catalyst to make the misuse faster.
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fixed for everyone! That is what free
software is all about.
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ur patch for this.
FWIW, I usually only call $c->config at app startup time; I read it and
pass values in it as arguments to other classes that need configuration
information. I'm pretty sure this is the intended use; you shouldn't be
looking in it duri
* On Sat, Feb 21 2009, Ashley wrote:
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
>> We run lots of Catalyst apps on the smallest Linode. I think they
>> give
>> us something like 340M of RAM. This is enough.
>>
>> I use a 512M Slicehost for jrock.us
d more memory
easily. Buy the small one, and if you need more memory, upgrade.
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* On Fri, Feb 20 2009, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
> Braindump follows.
Oh yeah, one other thing. IDNs will need to be decoded/encoded,
probably. ($c->req->host should contain perl characters, but links
should probably be punycoded. Fun!)
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espite
having written volumes of documentation about this. Wrong.)
Anyway, I just wanted to get this out of my head and onto paper, for
someone else to look at and perhaps implement. :)
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(If the security scanner complains about the escaped form, it's dumb.
It's not a security problem.)
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* On Thu, Feb 19 2009, Dermot wrote:
> # MyApp/lib/Model/Adaptor.pm
> package MyApp::Model::Adaptor;
This is a poor choice in naming -- you should name it for its function
("FooImporter") instead of the Catalyst mechanics it uses.
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del of the problem you want to solve. I know
everyone wants easy answers and wants to avoid thinking... but if that's
you, you've chosen the wrong field.
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http://localhost:3000/quit [2]
$ nytprofhtml
< read profile in your web browser>
[2] sub quit :Global { exit(0) }, so that NYTProf can exit cleanly
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* On Mon, Feb 02 2009, Andrew Rodland wrote:
> Due to the way FastCGI does its business, when running as an "external"
> FastCGI, the perl interpreter and the Catalyst app are initialized before the
> FCGI process manager does its forking. Since modern versions of Perl seed
> rand() "eagerly" on st
(with BDB replication),
and saves us the tedium of dealing with a RDBMS (and ORM) that we don't
even need.
YMMV.
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this way, you are crazy... and not in a good way.
Aristotle's code is the idiomatically correct version, so that's what
you should aim for in this case and in general.
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* On Tue, Jan 27 2009, pie3...@comcast.net wrote:
> Why not
>
> sub auto :Private {
> my $c = pop;
> return user_logged_in || $c->res->redirect( ... );
> }
Because now the correctness of your application depends on undocumented
behavior (the return value of $c->res->redirect).
to :Private {
my $c = pop;
return user_logged_in || $c->redirect( ... ) || 0;
}
Now I have that much more disk space free for pr0n!
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pen-enrollment Perl (and Catalyst) classes like this. We don't have
any planned at the moment, but that would change if I received e-mails
indicating interest :)
So anyway, if you are interested, e-mail me off list, and we will see if
we can set something up.
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... and if the user has Javascript disabled?
Please enable Javascript. It's Two Thousand Fucking Nine.
Seriously.
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part. Take a
look at Catalyst::Plugin::Unicode (specifically finalize_body, I
think), and change the Encode::encode('utf-8', ...) to
Encode::encode('iso-8859-1', ...)
I bet this will solve your problem, but if not, let us know what code
you tried and where, and we will try to
the action.)
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* On Sun, Nov 30 2008, Toby Corkindale wrote:
> If the automated install fails, people are likely to say "bah, this
> Perl thing sucks, let's go for that similar app written in
> PHP/Java/Ruby instead - at least it's simple to install!"
Why do you care about what other people do? If these people
x27;t have to
test two sets of URLs (or the potentially odd interactions with uri_for
and whatnot).
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ht thing when you say
$c->model('UsersDatabase'). This is much easier to reason about.
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s::Inspector to your debugging arsenal. You can
find what methods you can call on an object with code like:
use Class::Inspector;
say join "\n", @{Class::Inspector->methods(ref $object, 'public')};
I also recommend that you try out Devel::REPL if you haven't al
* On Tue, Nov 04 2008, Dermot wrote:
> Is there going to be an advent calendar for this year?
Sure, why not?
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you anything valuable. What's good for
quickly hacking something together in five minutes is rarely good for an
application that needs to be maintained over many years.
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ying to get HTML passed to IIS in a
> non-buffered manner -- it all seems buffered right now
You are using $c->res->write for this, right?
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editor and remove the warning.
Problem solved! You didn't even need to post to a mailing list!
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It's called "People for Geeks", i.e. "how to be nice to people".
If it's possible to die from an irony attack, you might not be seeing
much more of me :)
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do. You can then validate these with an ActionClass.
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ill make it
clear when you have bytes instead of characters.
Be sure to test with all sorts of input -- I always use characters from
ASCII ("foo"), Latin ("ÿ"), and Japanese ("ほげ"). If your app gets
those three right, it is probably OK.
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Jonathan Ro
; bane for my home machine is not eternal and can be released soon.
You're unbanned now. In the future, just /msg an op (usually mst) and
they will take care of it (especially if it's because your client
malfunctioned).
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est to the database just for
> the
> session and flash stuff is inacceptable.
If your app is really slowed by the number of queries to load
session/flash, use this:
http://git.jrock.us/?p=Catalyst-Plugin-Session-HMAC.git;a=blob;f=lib/Catalyst/Plugin/
.
So what exactly are you doing?
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EST. But as you can see, the URL scheme is irrelevant
when determining what is and is not RESTful.
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* On Sun, Aug 17 2008, Matt S Trout wrote:
> That makes no sense.
>
> How does restarting other processes have any effect at all?
Locking?
Not that I've ever seen this for sessions or cache, but it could make
sense if the app is doing its own locking of some shared resource.
Reg
* On Fri, Aug 01 2008, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
> * On Fri, Aug 01 2008, Angel Kolev wrote:
>> Doesn`t work too. All debug output goes to apache log. I tryed with -e
>> option - same result.
>
> Use the "keep error" option, -e.
Hmm, I should read the whole post bef
* On Fri, Aug 01 2008, Angel Kolev wrote:
> Doesn`t work too. All debug output goes to apache log. I tryed with -e
> option - same result.
Use the "keep error" option, -e.
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Anyway, it turns out that this is a simple problem, but just needs some
tweaking for maximum enjoyment and ease of use. (We've gotten rid of TT
in the "production" version, for example, because the fragments are too
hard for designers to work
* On Thu, Jul 24 2008, Pedro Melo wrote:
> And yes, the tradeoff is mod_perl, which is more complex than FCGI.
How does Perlbal require mod_perl? I would just run the application's
own HTTP server behind Perlbal. Not very complex at all.
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flexibility, but you could probably hack something similar if you really
needed to.
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to engineer something with a compromise that meets
your needs. For example, checking the database every time you read a
variable will mean the config settings update quickly, but you also slow
your app way down. YMMV and all that ;)
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certainly going
> on here that you do not actually want.
Yes, thank you for pointing that out. The above config does not solve
the more-above problems.
If you want to [% INCLUDE your.javascript %] then that's fine. But if
you want to serve statically, then this only works because of some wei
es "/multifile.js", nothing is going
to happen when that URL is visited. If you use Static::Simple, put the
javascript in /static, and link via $c->uri_for('/static/multifile.js'),
then something will happen.
Someone else suggested linking to '/lib/site/multifile.js&
> USE xpath = XML.XPath('config/xml/hele_de_tree.xml'); # ERROR
> #USE dom = XML.DOM;
> #prod_tree = dom.parse('config/xml/sitemap.xml'); # ERROR
>
> -%]
BTW, XML::LibXML is a much nicer library for doing anything related to
XML in Perl. Using anything else is slightl
That's why
the schema is a library.
As for tables that aren't relevant to a given app, the answer is simple;
just don't use those when you don't need them.
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red procedures to the
first database that returns the tables in the second database. DBIC
will probably deal with those, at least for reads. But that's not
really optimal; just make everything one database.
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;formbuilder, not $c->form. You might enjoy this page:
http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/new-wiki/thebookerrata
Anyway, I'm not sure why you would think that "use base
'Catalyst::Controller::FormBuilder'" in a controller would add methods
to $c, so I won't even ask.
ody is huge, this further points
towards IO being a problem.
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gibberish.
Use Angerwhale::Plugin::Cache instead. It solves this problem.
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y app. so I tried the next;
>
> $ catalyst.pl -force -scripts MyApp/trunk
> ...
> ...
>
>
> how can I upgrade the scripts?
>
> has anyone already answered(or solved) for this? if so, let me know.
I would just symlink MyApp/MyApp to MyApp/trunk, then cd MyApp and run
'ca
nd upon your app, though. Calling a method is simpler,
faster, and cleaner than running an entire request and capturing the
result, so try to structure your app in such a way as to allow that.
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that will not a problem to use Inline::* inside Catalyst.
You do know that Inline::Java uses system() to call java, right?
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* On Fri, Jun 20 2008, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Jonathan Rockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-20 22:20]:
>> Yeah, that's ugly. What you really want are method modifiers:
>>
>> package MyApp::Controller::Foo;
>> use Moose;
>&g
; };
sub main_page :Path Args(0) {
my ($self, $c) = @_;
$self->hello($c);
}
sub hello {
my ($self, $c) = @_;
$c->res->body('hello! setup is'. $c->stash->{setup});
}
before hello => sub {
my ($self, $c) = @_;
* On Fri, Jun 13 2008, Jonathan Tweed wrote:
> On 13 Jun 2008, at 13:51, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
>
>> It all boils down to this. Catalyst is the only really useful Perl
>> web
>> framework. Perl is the only really useful language for writing web
>> application
people are going to use Catalyst regardless of whether
the background color on the website is #83f8e2 or #85f9ff.
Let's spend our collective efforts doing something other than arguing
about colors.
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8, at 07:23, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
>>>> * Matt S Trout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-11 22:05]:
Just so you know, it's completely impossible to follow the flow of the
discussion when you top-post on top of 5 other mails. If you comment
inline, and edit out the posts that you aren&
e.
>
> By the way in case you are wondering, I am looking to write a CMS that
> sits on top of Catalyst.
Write the CMS first, then factor out the access control code. If you do
it the other way around, it probably won't turn out the way you want.
(Nothing is worse than writing a library
return "undef" or "1" as false or
true, but other libraries use other values ("" and "hey, it worked!",
for example).
Additionally, 0 is "==" to a variety of true values, including the
string "0 but true".
So just use "!$boolean&qu
* On Tue, Jun 03 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> while ($found==false && $ancestor) {
Perl does not have a "false" operator.
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>
What about DBIx::Class::Tree? I've used this for a user hierarchy,
actually.
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useful only visually, but not all the programmers can see,
>> so from this point of view, other configuration modules are better.
>
> Does that mean it's impossible to code python if you are blind?
Theoretically you can use a Braille TTY.
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ad?".)
Also, if someone wants to write a module to add dependencies to
Makefile.PLs, I would be happy to use it. This:
http://git.jrock.us/?p=elisp.git;a=blob;f=_local/cperl-project.el;hb=HEAD
needs to die very soon. I would rather have PPI (via Stylish) deal with
it.
> You missed '
ed report.
However, I'm not sure that you can do this in the day and age of popup
blockers. YMMV.
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chomp(my $password = Term::ReadLine->new($0)->readline('Password> '));
print DBIx::Class::EncodedColumn::Crypt::Eksblowfish::Bcrypt->
make_encode_sub->($password), "\n";
Yes, the password is echoed.
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mod_fastcgi), but it seems odd to not
have a directive like "FastCgiServer" somewhere. I guess the AddHandler
could be doing that, but since it's not working, probably not.
http://www.fastcgi.com/mod_fastcgi/docs/mod_fastcgi.html#FastCgiServer
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> -unshift(@args, $path);
> +
>
> unless (defined $path && $path =~ s!^/!!) { # in-place strip
> my $namespace = $c->namespace;
OK, but it looks like you forgot the tests. :) However, I think the
patch is sound. Please check that things like
* On Tue, May 13 2008, Ian Docherty wrote:
> Ian Docherty always feels people who refer to themselves in the third
> person are being pretentious, as in http://zenshadow.vox.com/profile/
> ;-)
Any English style guide will tell you to write a self-introduction like
this.
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Jonatha
ke installdeps"
> - Implement setting up the initial database state, perhaps through
> $schema->deploy(), or a SQL script, or another method
DBICx::Deploy
> - run the app's test suite and report if tests succeed or fail
"make tes
Just a meta comment. I think you would get more attention from a
subject like "Looking for suggestions for CatalystX::Installer". The
current subject implies that you are making suggestions instead of
soliciting them. As a result, suggestion-makers may be ignoring your
post.
Regards
7;s just a (documented) method:
=head2 session_store_dbic_class
Return the L class name to be passed to C<< $c->model >>.
Defaults to C.
=cut
sub session_store_dbic_class {
shift->config->{session}->{dbic_class} || 'DBIC::Session';
k.pm. Chapter 7 is just an extension
of Chapter 4, which for some reason isn't included in the tarball. I
will probably update that in the next few days. It makes sense to me,
but not anyone else :)
FWIW, later on in the book I call the model DBIC for the other
applications; I like this sty
way. If you are
willing to accept that it has syntax, it will make your life easier. If
you religiously believe that configuration files don't have syntax, then
it's not the syntax for you :)
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Schema model will create all the
classes under the root namespace from the result source classes in the
DBIC schema.
However, I think the namespace in the book is AddressDB, not DBIC.
Regards,
Jonathan Rockway
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> back to the way it was I tried just downgrading
> Catalyst::Plugin::Session and it worked! Woohoo!
Both of these sound like fragile workarounds. If you guys can do a bit
more digging, I would appreciate it. It would be good to actually fix
the problems, after all.
Regards,
Jonathan R
ehave differently.
Probably time to add some $c->log->debug messages to your app in key
places.
Regards,
Jonathan Rockway
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